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Bikes, Pictures, Stories & more => Chat, Offtopic & Everything Else => Topic started by: Greybeard on 23.06. 2021 18:08
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does that sign mean it will soon be known as normal petrol then they will put more into normal petrol but it will not be normal anymore but then become normal..... o dear rambling on today bergs *countdown* *beer* *beer* i
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Pretty soon we'll be paying 4 times "normal" petrol prices. I'm going to have mine converted to run on vodka, it'll be cheaper
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I read somewhere that the 'super' (as apposed to 'normal') will stay E5 due to classic vehicles
I think it was on https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/maintenance-and-gear/everything-you-need-to-know-about-using-e10-fuel-with-your-classic-car/ (https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/maintenance-and-gear/everything-you-need-to-know-about-using-e10-fuel-with-your-classic-car/)
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Let's not forget apart from the damage to fuel lines, dissolving fibreglass fuel tanks and other mayhem, ethanol in fuel has caused a sharp increase in food prices for poorer countries as food crops give way to fuel crops. Oh, and as the E number rises, your MPG goes down.
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Chris - that Hegarty link was interesting, along with this one (click through from that one) about actual tests with E10 and old SU carbs:
https://www.hagerty.com/media/archived/ethanol-demonic-or-devine/
remember when lead was being removed and the sky was falling? i've recently read up on the introduction of lead to fuels and the frank conspiracy of the companies that marketed it to silence health data. the world was worse for having it.
I think I can tolerate replacing a few seals, soldered floats and hoses to damage the world a little less. never liked fibreglass tanks anyway.
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I've been using high octane in all my bikes for some time - partly in the hope that these are more likely to have no ethanol at all. Even so I've found that fuel lines seem to have become a service item now. On my iron head bikes I also dose up with Castrol valve master - whether it is snake oil or not I do few enough miles on those that the additional cost is minimal. Certainly in the UK pumps will be required to be labelled up - either E5 or E10.
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Once new petrol vehicle sales cease expect fuel prices to rise extremely quickly .
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This increase in alcohol content is an attempt to improve emissions. Here in the UK they are rolling out ULEZ Zones (Ultra Low Emission Zone) in several major cities. Motorcycles are currently exempt under this new ruling, and I understand tax exempt vehicles are as well. A little loophole that includes all types of historic vehicles. Military Vehicles are also exempt. How weird is that? If your vehicle does not conform to the low emission standard and is not exempt, you can still enter the zone, but the ANPR System (Big Brother) will clock you. The system will allow you to pay before entering the zone, or soon after leaving it. No pay......big fine.
They won't improve the roads to allow easier travel, any update or improvement to inner city roads and simple traffic management is a long time coming and authority is content to let the populace sit in endless tailbacks, all stationary, all running the AirCon and making more unnecessary pollution. Now while your choice of vehicle is entirely up to you, there is a trend for ever larger 4X4's typically ferrying the kids to school. You'd think a trend to smaller vehicles would be good for the planet and make better use of road space and parking. But that's not where the money is and we get what we get. Fiddle while Rome burns? Yup.
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Here in the UK they are rolling out ULEZ Zones (Ultra Low Emission Zone) in several major cities. Motorcycles are currently exempt under this new ruling, and I understand tax exempt vehicles are as well.
I don't think that motorcycles are exempt from ULEZ, not in London anyway. Historic vehicles are.
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When I first read, "E10 is coming" in the list of posts, I was expecting a report from Mahindra that their electric motorcycle would be named "E10" in homage to our A10s.
Richard L.
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When I first read, "E10 is coming" in the list of posts, I was expecting a report from Mahindra that their electric motorcycle would be named "E10" in homage to our A10s.
Richard L.
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Once new petrol vehicle sales cease expect fuel prices to rise extremely quickly .
We will probably have to buy it from the chemists again, LOL.
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When I parked today I put a plastic bag across the filler neck before putting the cap back on. I'm hoping that this will keep water vapour out of the E5/E10 fuel mixture in the tank. Thoughts?
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G'day GB.
I don't think it will make any difference in such a short time unless it's piffing down rain.
Make it a big bag! We don't want you to come to a spluttering stop a few miles down the road from fuel starvation when it's forgotten.
Cheers
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At some time soon we'll have salt on our roads; during that time my bike will not get used for months. After reading about modern 'petrol' absorbing water I thought that I'd ask you guys if sealing the tank is a good idea.
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Can do no harm i reckon. Keeping it topped right up and adding some snake oil (other additives are available) is my technique. When you can get petrol that is! Local garage was dry for 6 days, did manage to keep riding though. The best method is to keep riding GB, lots of time before salt and then there's the Santas on a bike ride which is always a laugh. I can't stop riding mine, even when i really should for maintenance or whatever. I took my other bike (BMW) out the other day as it needed a run having been parked up for over a month. Gosh, it was boring compared to the beezer!
*shh* *beer* *computer*
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When you can get petrol that is!
I have not needed to fill up since before the fuel 'crisis'. I rode the bike to an Esso garage a few miles away so I could buy their E5 jollop. No problems; the place was quiet.
I haven't seen queues at petrol stations around Warwick and Leamington since the early panic buying days.
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.... lots of time before salt...
The first frost will bring out the gritters. I'm not willing to damage my chrome with salt. When the salt has been washed away with a few days heavy rain I may venture out.
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Your bike is lovely and original so i can understand the concern with the chrome etc. My bitsa on the other hand is not in any way showable or original so has to take it's chances! Lots of winter fettling required. Didn't say which winter.
*respect* *loveit* *clap* *work* *beer* *good3*
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The first frost will bring out the gritters.
If you're lucky, we don't get gritters around rural roads like we used to, it's a double-edged thing though, Council save money by not gritting many roads in anticipation of frost, not gritting roads leads to water ingress into the surface of the road THEN it freezes and results in potholes
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GB I am sure you know this but as you filled up at an Esso station and used their E5 which I assume is Synergy Supreme + 99 it is ethanol free according to their website
https://www.esso.co.uk/en-gb/fuels/petrol (https://www.esso.co.uk/en-gb/fuels/petrol) read down the page to the + 99
I have used this fuel in my bikes, but I can not now as our local Coop which used to sell Esso fuel has rebranded and know body will reply to requests for information about ethanol.
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.... I have used this fuel in my bikes, but I can not now as our local Coop which used to sell Esso fuel has rebranded and know body will reply to requests for information about ethanol.
There must be other Esso stations somewhere in your area.
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The nearest is about 20 miles away. I am not that concerned about E5 whilst using the bike regularly, all the warnings are about bikes left for any length of time. Like you I reduce my riding once the salt is down, so I will go to that station for 'winter' fuel to fill my 25 litre jerry can.
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in Canada this has been around for a long time ,now talking about E15 .....I dont use regular gas in anything with a carb ,motorcycle , chainsaw etc all get High test no ethanol in it here .
Marinas and airports also sell ethanol free gas for a reason it doesnt attract moisture and it doesnt eat rubber and fibreglass and aluminum which ethanol does .
Ethanol in gas is a big money maker for small engine shops people leave it in their lawnmowers or snow blowers etc for several months then wonder why they wont start or if they do have no power its the ethanol has a short shelf life needs a stabiliser additive and if left over a period of the the fuel with damage carb internals ....and leave water in your gas tank and float bowl .
Ethanol percentage has to be listed on the pumps here and if you only have multi selection pumps its best to put the first few litres in a gas can as there will still be whatever the previous user pumped in the lines .
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G'day Fellas.
I know what you mean Sean. The last month here we have had a multitude of mowers/snippers/rideon's in the shop that won't start. Mainly due to fuel left in over the winter. Most have had the E10 fuel in them and degraded the carb rubbers.
At the shop all our machines (and customers when they leave the shop) have 98 (no ethanol) fuel. All my bikes run on 98, the Cafe and rHonda get a bit more boosted to 105.
Cheers
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Down here you can tell when following a car that is using E10 petrol, they stink like rotten egg gas. *shh*
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I always turn the tap off and let the engine run the fuel in the carb down. I may drain the carb dry for winter.
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For a few years I’ve only been using premium petrol (BP Ultimate) in my GF. My method is to fill a 20 ltr fuel can up after adding 22ml of Redex Lead Replacement, 18ml of Redex Fuel System Cleaner and 18ml of Sta-Bil 360 Marine Ethanol Treatment to it. I keep the can in my garage and top up my bike from it and keep the tank full, especially in the winter to help prevent condensation. It takes only a small amount of each additive to add to 20 ltrs and it’s quick and easy to do. I know some think it’s snake oil and that it doesn’t work, but all I can say is that it seems my bike starts and runs better since I started this procedure back in 2017. Despite storing the petrol in a can, for sometimes months, and in my bike's petrol tank, summer and winter, I’ve not had any fuel related problems.
I like to use my bike regularly, but not so much in the UK winter - but, weather permitting, I do use it. Also I always run the carb dry if I don’t think I’d be starting it up in the very near future.
Rog.
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Down here you can tell when following a car that is using E10 petrol, they stink like rotten egg gas. *shh*
I understood that whiff was the catalytic convertor cleaning itself. I've been aware of it for yonks so doesn't seem like an Ethanol issue.
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I agree with Neal.
Having worked in the exhaust industry for more than 12 years, and half of that time dealing with catalytic converters. That smell of rotten eggs is defiantly
not the fuel, it is the catalyst working its magic.
ELLIS
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a little off topic but Cat convertors are a hot item for the crack heads to rip off here in Canada.... one dealership lost 15 in one night ....I believe in the USA the laws are stricter they need a vin number to cash them in .