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Title: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: muskrat on 25.02. 2025 20:40
G'day Fellas.
I'm on the hunt for a GOOD quality amp gauge fot the A7. All the usual vendors & fleabay only have plastic chinesium.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: trevinoz on 25.02. 2025 20:54
The genuine meters from Lucas are Wassell rubbish.
I got a couple from AMC Classic Spares which look like Lucas and fit like Lucas but don't have the brand on the face.
Supposedly English made.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 26.02. 2025 07:04
I supply the ones with the drawn aluminium bodies but not cost effective to send to New Zealand? I find these are the only ones that don't fall to bits.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: Ted_Flash on 26.02. 2025 08:47
Try a Royal Enfield one.  Mine's lasted 20 years with no problems.  They're oil damped and light up at night (always useful). 
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: Rex on 26.02. 2025 09:14
I supply the ones with the drawn aluminium bodies but not cost effective to send to New Zealand? I find these are the only ones that don't fall to bits.

 I shall remember that for when I need one.
My A7 had one from Feked, and it opened up like Lee Van Cleef's pocket watch in the "Good the Bad and the Ugly" after a month or so of use.
Feked wouldn't exchange it so I had to buy another, and stupidly I believed Feked when they said my problem ammeter was a one-off, and bought another from them.
That did exactly the same after another couple of months, but again, they wouldn't refund or exchange. I bought an unknown item for Ebay and so far it's lasting well.
Another reason (not the only one) why I now avoid Feked like the plague. Sell crap and p***-poor customer service.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 26.02. 2025 09:53
I supply the ones with the drawn aluminium bodies but not cost effective to send to New Zealand? I find these are the only ones that don't fall to bits.

 I shall remember that for when I need one.
My A7 had one from Feked, and it opened up like Lee Van Cleef's pocket watch in the "Good the Bad and the Ugly" after a month or so of use.
Feked wouldn't exchange it so I had to buy another, and stupidly I believed Feked when they said my problem ammeter was a one-off, and bought another from them.
That did exactly the same after another couple of months, but again, they wouldn't refund or exchange. I bought an unknown item for Ebay and so far it's lasting well.
Another reason (not the only one) why I now avoid Feked like the plague. Sell crap and p***-poor customer service.
I only sell stuff that I am willing to use on my own bikes. Obviously, in the age we live, quality is variable. Sometimes I have to sell stuff which isn't perfect and I warn customers accordingly. I do have a website but you can't buy stuff directly off it. In my case, if you want something, at some point you have to phone up and speak to me and pay with your debit card over the phone. Regarding ammeters specifically, I would avoid any which are in plastic bodies.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: Swarfcut on 26.02. 2025 11:03
 Maybe not much help to Musky, but here in the UK there are folks refurbishing original Lucas Instruments. Even damaged and non working original units have an ebay value, so don't just dump them. Classic Car market is where you'll find them.

 Swarfy
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: fringedweller on 26.02. 2025 21:01
Thinking outside the square, maybe a vintage tractor ammeter? Try Queensland tractor spares they have various types and sizes online.
Don
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: olev on 27.02. 2025 09:30
Why are so many ammeters advertised as 6 volt or 12 volt?
I didn't think voltage mattered in a ammeter.
cheers
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 27.02. 2025 11:58
I stock these.......
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 27.02. 2025 12:26
Why are so many ammeters advertised as 6 volt or 12 volt?
I didn't think voltage mattered in a ammeter.
cheers

It doesn’t, but the 12 V bikes generally had an ammeter with a different range.
Title: Re: Good quality amp gauge ?
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 27.02. 2025 12:27
Try a Royal Enfield one.  Mine's lasted 20 years with no problems.  They're oil damped and light up at night (always useful).

Possibly the only high quality part on my 1988 Bullet.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: a101960 on 27.02. 2025 17:58
I run 12V and the origanal ammeter functions just. An ammeter measures amps not volts so in makes no difference.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: berger on 27.02. 2025 18:13
i did not go to the pub but tomorrow i am *beer* they call amp meters 6v or 12v because that is the voltage they can safely handle that's my take on it coming from my experience talking to my long deceased electrical / mechanical engineer pappy . have a nice day .
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: trevinoz on 27.02. 2025 20:55
6 Volt ammeters are 8 Amp, 12 Volt are 12 Amp. The ammeter doesn't care what voltage is applied.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: berger on 27.02. 2025 22:03
trev it does for accuracy of reading
Title: Re: Good quality ammeter.
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 27.02. 2025 23:21
trev it does for accuracy of reading

I’m doubtful of that.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: muskrat on 28.02. 2025 01:22
G'day Fellas.
Andrew has come to the rescue.
Thanks for the replies.
Cheers
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: olev on 28.02. 2025 03:09
I think the original ammeter that mounts in the switch/ammeter panel is mounted using bent over tabs.
I found a cheap ammeter that used a mounting bracket which screws to the back of the ammeter.
There isn't enough space in the switch panel for the bracket.
The Royal Enfield ammeter looks good but was to big for the hole.
still looking. 
cheers
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: RichardL on 28.02. 2025 21:24
6 Volt ammeters are 8 Amp, 12 Volt are 12 Amp. The ammeter doesn't care what voltage is applied.

Interesting. I suppose that those running 12V on our bikes, and modern bikes, run higher wattage bulbs. If all the bulbs on a 12V bike were the same wattage as those on a 6V bike, the deflection of a 12A ammeter would be very puny, since half as much current will be flowing. Were it not for higher wattage bulds, one could rationalize this as being the opposite.

Ricahrd L.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: Black Sheep on 01.03. 2025 07:05
I ended up fitting a Massey Ferguson ammeter. You don't get much needle deflection but it works and doesn't fall apart.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: trevinoz on 01.03. 2025 20:48
Richard, the 12V bikes use a higher wattage bulb but bear in mind the ammeter doesn't just read discharge. The alternators probably have a higher output than a generator.
And I reiterate, the voltage of the system has nothing to do with the ammeter, it reads current.
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: Peter in Aus on 02.03. 2025 00:47
I fixed my problem with a digital volt meter, much more practical, if your not counting the rivets.
available on flee bay.
 
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: muskrat on 12.03. 2025 02:14
G'day Fellas.
The ammeter from Andrew arrived today. Posted in UK on the 3rd, here on the 12th WOW.
Looks so much better than the cheap plastic ones and was a really good price. Andrew even through in the O ring to go under it. Hope to get it in after I get the Cafe top end back on.
Thanks Andrew
Cheers
Title: Re: Good quality amb gauge ?
Post by: muskrat on 12.03. 2025 23:56
G'day Fellas.
Wow what a difference a good quality gauge makes. Just fitted it but not road tested yet. At idle (Boyer ignition) -2 amp, about 1500rpm 0, about 3000rpm +4 and h/light on high +2.
6v dynamo, DVR2 at 12 v, 12v ignition & lights. Will road test tomorrow.
Cheers