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Title: golden brown
Post by: edboy on 28.11. 2015 20:42
i noticed an article in a classic bike magazine about a golden flash painted in some drab whitey beige. in the same article was an original bsa advert of the golden flash painted in a glorious gold, almost metallic, surely that caused a stir. what is going on at the factory paint shop.wrong paint ordered? pigment issues? why does every restoration opt for the sickly version when bsa intended gold not beige.has bsa broken the strict trading information act with their promising advert and delivered a turkey?
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: trevinoz on 28.11. 2015 21:03
Isn't the colour polychromatic silver beige?
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: edboy on 28.11. 2015 22:25
hi trev,
good looking bike.  thats a nice sounding colour .
but where does the title gold flash come from then?
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: Brian on 29.11. 2015 01:30
I've attached a scan from an original brochure dated Feb 1950.

You will see that black was actually the standard colour and beige was optional so its really a bit ironic that the model was called "Golden Flash".

I also noticed that it states that the primary/gearbox and timing cover was polished, this may answer a question posted on the forum some time ago about just which bits were polished.

As for the "correct" beige I dont think there is one. I have seen several bikes that were colour matched to a piece of original colour from inside a tool box or the underneath of the tank or similar and they all vary slightly, each owner swearing theirs is "correct".
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: trevinoz on 29.11. 2015 01:44
I agree, Brian, about the colour differences. If a new batch of paint was made every day there was sure to be differences.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: Ted_Flash on 29.11. 2015 04:42
The early beige had particles of mica added to give a "metallic" type effect. No wonder they had consistency problems.  I had mine matched to an original section of chainguard, but just as flat beige without any attempt at metallic, mainly due to touch-up difficulties with metallic types.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: bsa-bill on 29.11. 2015 10:05
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The early beige had particles of mica added to give a "metallic" type effect.

I've read somewhere that this is what makes " Pearlescent" but maybe back then they didn't have a clear coat / Lacquer to give depth of shine
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: edboy on 29.11. 2015 12:05
well i can only guess that bsa were using up desert warfare cammo beige leftover from the 2nd world war and their marketing department were pulling a fast one with the gold flash title. however i am sure the gold flash colour i saw as a teenager was more golden than beige but that may be the clotted memory. however i have found  hammerite smooth gold to be near the golden flash colour i remember and easily available.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: nimrod650 on 29.11. 2015 17:23
 i spoke to a former bsa factory worker regarding paint he said the paint shop used to mix a colour to do a batch of 200 bikes at a time gold flash shooting star ect this was in the days before fancy mixing systems like we have today hence they were never a perfect match
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: cyclobutch on 30.11. 2015 05:30
Hmmmm - Beige Flash. Could be my super hero alter ego.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: terryk on 30.11. 2015 14:48
I have a NOS yes new old stock plunger Golden Flash toolbox in original beige colour. I bought it as NOS from the UK many years ago and paid a lot of money for it. it has a sticker on the back but I cant remember what it says but you can tell it is a NOS replacement part. I have it wrapped in bubble wrap in a box in the shed. I will match the paint one day when I need it but I'm sure it's original beige.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: michaelfish on 30.11. 2015 21:40
My 1960 Flash, which I have had since 1963 is described in the log book as beige. Some few years  after acquiring it I needed a replacement for the original front mudguard.This was duly ordered by my local dealer from BSA. The colour of the new one was way off the original.So tying in with the "batches of 200"there were no doubt many shades of beige that left the works.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: duTch on 01.12. 2015 12:03

 I have vague recollection of remnants of 'gold' maybe on what was left of the rear mudguard/fender of mine when I found it in the local  wrecker (frame/1/2 R.Fender/ C.stand/fuel tank/1Plunger unit)....thought it was some kind of custom paint job- didn't take it serious, but it was an actual 'Gold' rather than *whistle* 'beige'  *eek*...don't think I any longer have any samples
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: Topdad on 01.12. 2015 12:12
I remember many different shades of gold ,I think a BMC metallic gold was used by quite a lot of people or maybe Ford but it didn't look quite right ,to golden if you follow my drift.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: sparx on 01.12. 2015 22:16
When I restored my Father's A10 I decided to keep it the original black, rather than change it to Gold, so I went to the paint-shop foreman where I sub-contract and asked him if I could scrounge some black paint from him. His answer had me stumped:-
    "ok Dave, no problem. What colour black do you want?"

  Apparently there are more shades of "black" than any other colour.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: muskrat on 02.12. 2015 06:52
I had heard years ago that BSA had 30 odd shades of black.
Have you got any blacker?
Cheers
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: sparx on 02.12. 2015 15:21
I don't know if the black I got is blacker than BSA black, but it looks very............black.
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: nimrod650 on 02.12. 2015 18:00
i restored a gold flash many years ago at the time the nearest match i got was jaguar golden sand and it did look very good
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: Topdad on 03.12. 2015 10:10
Whoooo I used to own an "S" type which was golden sand and yes it was a close match .I'd forgotten about jaguar colours 
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: nimrod650 on 03.12. 2015 17:26
henry ford said you can have any colour you like so long as its black the reason being it was the fastest drying colour to get them of the production line
Title: Re: golden brown
Post by: Greybeard on 03.12. 2015 17:54
https://goo.gl/0wc4cL

'It is likely that Ford was being somewhat playful in making that remark. Model Ts were, in fact, offered in a choice of colour early in the car's lifetime around 1908, and again after 1926. The statement was true when Ford's biography was published, in 1922, and when he was cutting costs by using a type of quick-drying paint that was only then available in black.

He was experimenting with the assembly line, at the time, and only fast-drying black paint allowed for "full-speed" assembly.'