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Title: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Dean on 19.05. 2016 07:52
I decided to get a new petrol tank for my A10 bitsa in preparation for the Italian International.  My current tank was 2 gallon one and I didnlt want to spend too much time looking for fill ups.

So I ordered an Indain repro tank via Amazon. I went for the Goldie tank for purley aesthetic reasons.

On ordering I was immediately infomed that delivery would be between 13th May and 3rd June. It arrived on 13th May, very well packages and I was not disappointed on opening the package. It certainly felt like it was made of a decent guage steel.

It came with a filler cap but not taps, badges or bracing piece, but I knew this on ordering and a few moment online and I had them in my hands next day.

The paintwork nad chrome were very good but if I was nitpicking the pre-plating polishing has left very minor flats in the chrome side panels so at certain angles you can just see slight uneveness. But this would only be an issue for conkers peeps.

It fitted perfectly with no problems ater I had given it a good rinse out first with parrafin and then repeatedly with a dilute traffic film remover solution and then load os clean water.  Lots of small particles came out so it was worth doing. The Bap taps I use have very good filters so I'll run it for a while and then clean then.

Having had fuel in it for a few days it looks like the red primer inside the tank might be blistering so a follow it filter clean my be essential. I'll let you know.

Overall I'm chuffed to bits and compared to what I paid to get my SR tank replated and painted, the £250 cost of a new tank, including postage is incredible value.

Now to get some patina  *smiley4*
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Greybeard on 19.05. 2016 11:53
It's good to hear of someone who's happy with an Indian tank. Interesting that Amazon sell them; you should have a good Returns policy with them if needed.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: jachenbach on 19.05. 2016 13:57
There are a number of Indian companies making tanks. It would be helpful to know which company made yours?
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Billybream on 19.05. 2016 19:25
Just had a look on Amazon, search was BSA petrol tanks, and supplier listed as Enfield County, which does not seem to appear on Ebay listings.
Other item of interest within search category was 300ml auxiliary fuel tank + petcock, @ £20.99 with free delivery.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: nimrod650 on 19.05. 2016 20:17
 a mate bought a new chrome indian tank for his s/r masked up the side panels sprayed it red when he removed the masking tape the chrome came with it me i would pay the extra for a lyta alloy tank you are getting quality and something that will last and add value to bike the pickers will always comment on cheap indian tanks but admire the lyta
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: morris on 19.05. 2016 21:04
Got an indian plunger tank delivered last year just before summer. Drove it around all summer unpainted until the beginning of this year, when I took it to the painters. It came back superbly painted, and I pinstriped it myself.
Happy with the work done, I mounted the tank and drove the plunger around for a couple of months until 2 weeks ago, on a ride out I noticed a drip on top of the timing cover...
I pulled over to see what it was, and then saw a steady dripping coming from my newly painted tank. The bottom weld had developed a hairline crack... *problem* *angry* *bash*
I just got it back from a mate who is a specialist welder/brazer. He silver soldered it and managed not to damage the paintwork to much, so some touch up will do.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Topdad on 20.05. 2016 12:09
That's a real shame Morris ,alas it could happen to our old original tanks at any time now !. I've had a split round the centre bolt hole on 2 previous bikes . Good to know someone  with those brazing skills though , cheers Bob.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: WozzA on 20.05. 2016 13:03
I got mine from a eBay dealer in India.. it came with a lockable fuel cap...
The reason it was lockable is because the filler hole neck is not the standard type &
a stock fuel cap will NOT fit on...  *rant*
Paint & chrome is just passable, so you gets what you pays 4...  *eek*
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: jachenbach on 20.05. 2016 13:11
Just had a look on Amazon, search was BSA petrol tanks, and supplier listed as Enfield County, which does not seem to appear on Ebay listings.
Other item of interest within search category was 300ml auxiliary fuel tank + petcock, @ £20.99 with free delivery.
Just looked at EBay and "Enfield County" is in big red letters at the top of the pictures.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Seabee on 20.05. 2016 21:19
I bought an Indian tank 3 years ago for my 57 RR.  It has held up really well overall, but now the thin chrome is allowing surface rust pin spots to appear if I don't keep it heavily waxed!  It looks original until you look at the bottom of the tank.  The shaping is not right, but unnoticeable to the uneducated.  I bought it from a stateside distributor in case it had real problems I wouldn't have to deal with sending it back to India!  I recall paying $300USD, then paint, decal, pinstriping, etc.  Probably still about $700USD in it!
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: WozzA on 21.05. 2016 07:33
Just this week I picked up a set of rear plunger covers from a reputable dealer here in Melbourne.
He had them on order for several weeks & I had a 3 week wait till they arrived...
Undid the packaging & discovered they had been painted directly over lumps of RUST  *pull hair out*
I rang the dealer & voiced my disgust, & was told that his supplier was the only company making them. 
I was offered a exchange, but as I decided I'd clean them up & paint them myself i'd let it slip..
I bet they came from you know where...   *whistle*
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: nimrod650 on 21.05. 2016 18:30
Just this week I picked up a set of rear plunger covers from a reputable dealer here in Melbourne.
He had them on order for several weeks & I had a 3 week wait till they arrived...
Undid the packaging & discovered they had been painted directly over lumps of RUST  *pull hair out*
I rang the dealer & voiced my disgust, & was told that his supplier was the only company making them. 
I was offered a exchange, but as I decided I'd clean them up & paint them myself i'd let it slip..
I bet they came from you know where...   *whistle*
its the sea air they make most things from scrap oil tankers
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Tomcat on 22.05. 2016 06:41
I bought a set of chrome Mudgaurds and stays (GS & SR) from Vintageparts india on Ebay, and wont be buying anymore parts from these people. The front 'guard is very nice, the rest isn't. The best way to buy these parts is from a dealer as I did with an 8" headlight from Cobb Smith at Scoresby. You can look at the parts before paying, although this service comes at a premium. If you are aiming for perfection use original parts and be prepared to have your wallet cleaned out!
Wozza mentioned "A reputable dealer in Melbourne", that made me laugh, as he has a reputation of being a grumpy so and so!
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: WozzA on 22.05. 2016 08:47
Wozza mentioned "A reputable dealer in Melbourne", that made me laugh, as he has a reputation of being a grumpy so and so!
 *clap* *lol* *clap* *lol* *clap* *lol* *wink2*
Yep... thats him... 
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: muskrat on 22.05. 2016 10:43
I ordered from them once 30 years ago. The old fart was so rude I've never been back. I hear his son is a little better.
Cheers
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: morris on 22.05. 2016 15:57
Just this week I picked up a set of rear plunger covers from a reputable dealer here in Melbourne.
He had them on order for several weeks & I had a 3 week wait till they arrived...
Undid the packaging & discovered they had been painted directly over lumps of RUST  *pull hair out*
I rang the dealer & voiced my disgust, & was told that his supplier was the only company making them. 
I was offered a exchange, but as I decided I'd clean them up & paint them myself i'd let it slip..
I bet they came from you know where...   *whistle*

That's a real bugga, Wozza.
If the man says that his supplier is the only one making them, he's talking crap...
I got a set from Peter's classic bikes. They are made in England, and of superb quality, ready to put on, so there's definitely better available on the market
http://www.petersclassicbikeparts.nl/contents/nl/d126_01.html bottom of page
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: nimrod650 on 22.05. 2016 18:20
Just this week I picked up a set of rear plunger covers from a reputable dealer here in Melbourne.
He had them on order for several weeks & I had a 3 week wait till they arrived...
Undid the packaging & discovered they had been painted directly over lumps of RUST  *pull hair out*
I rang the dealer & voiced my disgust, & was told that his supplier was the only company making them. 
I was offered a exchange, but as I decided I'd clean them up & paint them myself i'd let it slip..
I bet they came from you know where...   *whistle*

That's a real bugga, Wozza.
If the man says that his supplier is the only one making them, he's talking crap...
I got a set from Peter's classic bikes. They are made in England, and of superb quality, ready to put on, so there's definitely better available on the market
http://www.petersclassicbikeparts.nl/contents/nl/d126_01.html bottom of page
with all the interest shown in tee shirts on the forum look at his selection
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Greybeard on 22.05. 2016 18:28
with all the interest shown in tee shirts on the forum look at his selection
I didn't see one for the A7A10 Forum!
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Dean on 22.05. 2016 20:13
In answer to one question I got mine from Enfield County.

You do get what you pay for and whilst happy so far I take on board some of the comments above. I guess you judge things by the standards you set for them. I bought this tank as I wanted a four gallon tank option for my bitsa. In keeping with the weight saving mods I've done I did fancy an alloy tank but had not come across one that suited without taking out a mortgage.

Encouraging to hear about rapid onset of rust; I'll get that patina in no time then  ;)
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: John k on 25.05. 2016 16:51
I too have an A10 bitsa got to be the best model :-),
have recently bought an Indian fuel tank and was surprised at the quality and weight of the tank,
Very pleased with My purchase.

John.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Padsta33 on 19.06. 2016 13:51
Wozza mentioned "A reputable dealer in Melbourne", that made me laugh, as he has a reputation of being a grumpy so and so!
 *clap* *lol* *clap* *lol* *clap* *lol* *wink2*
Yep... thats him...
Arn't they all...😜
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: coater87 on 19.06. 2016 14:15
 I attempted to remove the red oxide primer from inside my tank. I tried solvents in a reasonable order (reasonable to me).

 Turpentine, did nothing. Lacquer thinner, did nothing, Acetone, might have worked if I had 2 years. Ethyl Acetate, really did soften the primer, I could wipe it off anywhere I could reach inside the tank quite easily.  Zylene (sp?) would have been next, but I just ran out of caring when there were no more chunks, just red staining in the solvent.

 The real problem comes in that you cannot physically reach everywhere, making complete removal impossible. Even with 30 drywall screws, and 25 washers swirling around in there, there are many dings inside from forming the tank. Its honestly just too much work to worry about. I am not big on tank sealants, and just did not want big gobs of primer floating around.

 Complete removal is going to be a time thing for me. I probably removed 65% of it, I will run a very good fuel filter and change it when needed. Eventually, all the primer will be gone and I will be too old to worry much about it by then.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: chaterlea25 on 19.06. 2016 17:46
Hi,
What you need to use is a paint stripper that contains Methylene Chloride,
This used to be tha active ingredient in "Nitromors" and other paint strippers but has been removed in recent times
Methylene Chloride can be bought from eBay and Amazon if needed

Its powerful stuff and will ruin the tank paintwork if it comes in contact with it  *warn* *warn* *warn* *warn* *warn*

John
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: coater87 on 20.06. 2016 12:15
 John,

 I really thought about a paint stripper, but then I thought better of it. Reason being that I cannot see, or reach into all parts of the tank to be sure I remove all the wadded up primer. Even shaking with fasteners inside would not seem to be a guaranteed thing.

 The washers/ screws just want to follow low spots and seams, parts like the frame tube hump hardly got touched. Then I would worry about the ends of the tank I cannot see at all....then I would not sleep at night, would start having nightmares, and next thing you know I am in some lunatic asylum babbling about paint chips in the fuel lines........ *eek*

 Nope, I am just going to roll with a little primer in the tank. ;)

 Lee
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Greybeard on 20.06. 2016 13:58
I know you don't want to use a sealer but I used POR-15 to seal my tank after it returned from chroming with rust inside. I'd tried the screws nuts and bolts to remove the rust but I was still left with a solid but rusty surface.
POR-15 seems to be very good for me; no sign of flaking off.
Mind you in the UK we don't have as much Ethanol as some other countries. Also my tank had a solid mettalic surface for the stuff to bond to. Might be worth contacting the makers to see if they think it would be OK over a primered surface.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Kickaha on 20.06. 2016 19:23
I know you don't want to use a sealer but I used POR-15 to seal my tank after it returned from chroming with rust inside. I'd tried the screws nuts and bolts to remove the rust but I was still left with a solid but rusty surface.

Dunno about getting rid of primer but on another forum I use the guys use a battery charger and electrolysis to remove rust from the inside of the tanks

http://www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: coater87 on 20.06. 2016 20:28
I know you don't want to use a sealer but I used POR-15 to seal my tank after it returned from chroming with rust inside. I'd tried the screws nuts and bolts to remove the rust but I was still left with a solid but rusty surface.
POR-15 seems to be very good for me; no sign of flaking off.
Mind you in the UK we don't have as much Ethanol as some other countries. Also my tank had a solid mettalic surface for the stuff to bond to. Might be worth contacting the makers to see if they think it would be OK over a primered surface.

 If you guys like Por-15, you might want to check out www.kbs-coatings.com , they sell kits for bikes. These kits are the right size for our projects, so you dont have to buy a gallon to paint 2 hubs.

 I have bought their frame painting kit with rust paint and a topcoat, and one kit to seal a tank. This is the stuff a lot of people are buying over here, its like POR-15, but again in amounts we need. I hear very good things about this product.

 I bought the tank seal to seal my original rusted, dented tank and I will use that for the first few weeks just in case something goes south.

Lee

Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: muskrat on 20.06. 2016 20:55
G'day Lee.
Theonly way to get the red gunk out is to use paint stripper. I made a mix of stripper and thinners, shot in a coupl'a dozen screws nuts and bolts. Wrapped the tank in an old doona and threw it in a cement mixer for a few hours, reversing now and then. washed out with clean thinners then water, dried with a hot air blower. Job done.
I've used KBS a couple of times with mixed success. POR15 does have a bike tank kit and have had 100% success.
Cheers
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Greybeard on 20.06. 2016 23:20
...another forum I use the guys use a battery charger and electrolysis to remove rust from the inside of the tanks
Maybe before it's been chromed?
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Greybeard on 20.06. 2016 23:23
POR-15 actually prefers a wet surface; water helps it to react quicker.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Kickaha on 21.06. 2016 06:30
...another forum I use the guys use a battery charger and electrolysis to remove rust from the inside of the tanks
Maybe before it's been chromed?

Not sure that it would matter, they normally only do it internally by filling the tank and insulating the anode where it goes through the fuel cap hole
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: muskrat on 21.06. 2016 21:04
I beg to differ Greybeard. Before the last step of putting in the por15 sealer the tank must be bone dry. The instructions say once you think it's dry, dry it again. Took about 2 hours with a hot air gun set on "OH that's hot"!
Cheers
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Greybeard on 21.06. 2016 21:13
I beg to differ Greybeard. Before the last step of putting in the por15 sealer the tank must be bone dry. The instructions say once you think it's dry, dry it again. Took about 2 hours with a hot air gun set on "OH that's hot"!
Cheers
I'm puzzled now; the instructions that came with my POR tank repair kit definitely said that a damp surface is good as it accelerates the curing process.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Greybeard on 21.06. 2016 21:22
I've just visited the POR website and the instructions definitely say the tank has to be completely dry. I can only think that they have changed the formula since I used it.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: coater87 on 22.06. 2016 05:45
GB,

 The por 15 dries because of moisture, what you don't want is for it to flash dry on the surface. The paint just under the surface will never cure.

 That's why they want you to start with a dry tank, curing needs to be done slowly with this stuff I guess.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: muskrat on 22.06. 2016 09:58
It's a 3 stage job. Wash then prep then seal. It's the prep that will work with a damp surface.
Cheers
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Padsta33 on 24.06. 2016 07:27
Back to original question..
My "indian" tank I recently fitted for my flash' looks fine, paint work is not bad fit.
But have just noticed on refueling inside and under the filler cap, all the paint has bubbled and peeled off! Hell knows what will happen if I spill on to tank itself!!!
Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: coater87 on 24.06. 2016 13:33
Back to original question..
My "indian" tank I recently fitted for my flash' looks fine, paint work is not bad fit.
But have just noticed on refueling inside and under the filler cap, all the paint has bubbled and peeled off! Hell knows what will happen if I spill on to tank itself!!!
Hmmmm....

 You bought the pre-painted tank? How was the paint job?
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: morris on 25.06. 2016 10:57
You bought the pre-painted tank? How was the paint job?

I had a painted tank delivered from India. Wasn't impressed by the paint job. As it was the wrong tank anyway I sent it back and ordered an unpainted chrome tank which I had sprayed over here. 10 times better and resisting petrol spills extremely well.
Had another problem with that tank tough as it split a bottom weld.
As posted previously I had a mate silver solder the crack. He did a terribly good job and barely damaged the paint so I only had to touch up a bit. Until now still leak free.
Title: Re: Indian Petrol Tank feedback
Post by: Padsta33 on 26.06. 2016 06:53
Back to original question..
My "indian" tank I recently fitted for my flash' looks fine, paint work is not bad fit.
But have just noticed on refueling inside and under the filler cap, all the paint has bubbled and peeled off! Hell knows what will happen if I spill on to tank itself!!!
Hmmmm....

 You bought the pre-painted tank? How was the paint job?
Actually pretty good. Don't think it'll be hard wearing though. And as I mentioned the paint bubbling under filler. Also had no problem fitting original taps, no leaks either.  *smile*