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Title: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: coater87 on 10.02. 2017 13:04
 I wasnt sure which topic to put this in, it kind of applies to all.

 Things have moved forward at a pretty good pace on the 58 flash, and now its time to purchase throttle control, hand levers and cables.

 After looking all over, I see a lot of shiny looking stuff that might be OK, but is probably junk.

 I am not looking to pinch pennies here, I am looking for quality stuff. I have looked at the usual (to me) suspects, but it all looks like it came from the exact same supplier in India.

 Am I missing a supplier?

 So I am looking for a supplier with very good quality controls and cables, hopefully a one stop shop. Price is not my first concern here.

 Lee

Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: Greybeard on 10.02. 2017 14:02
I bought mine from Draganfly. I've had no problems yet.

I still have the original levers with switch bases cast in. I may try to re-use them one day.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: cyclobutch on 10.02. 2017 14:18
I have several slightly ropy sets of levers and perches. One point of note was that some of them have differing pivot point to nipple position distances, thus offering different amounts of travel and mechanical advantage. Probably only of interest if you are using a 6 spring clutch.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: Slippery Sam on 10.02. 2017 14:32
Be careful what you order though - there are a surprising amount of variations.  Throttle and carb ends vary in the size of nipple, type and position of adjuster and length.  I know cause I have 3 stabs at it before I worked out all the differences.  Brake cables are even worse.
My advice (not as an expert - as I'm quite new to A10 but through  experience) - measure up what you have and replicate if it's one for one.  I didn't have the luxury of a starting point.  If you're buying a set for say twist grip and cable - buy them together - I'd recommend Burlen who sell good kit and know what they're talking about.
Levers and cables, I'd do the same, some cables come with lever adjusters fitted and can be different from lever threads etc.  Free length and fitting types (shackle, ball, narrow and wide cable ends) can be bewildering (I think I have about 5 front brake cables!!!) -measure twice order once!
I've been very impressed with Fecked lately - good gear and good fast service - although I've had no problems with any of the other usual suspects.

good luck Raymond.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: RichardL on 10.02. 2017 16:24
Lee,

Since you're in Wisconsin, I assume you must know Ed at Morrie's Place in Ringwood, IL. They can make up cables to custom length and have some pre-made (though not deep in A10). They typically have Emgo levers in stock and, I believe, they also have some higher grade on hand.

http://www.morriesplacecycle.com/

Richard L.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: scotty on 10.02. 2017 17:23
I purchased the throttle control and cables from  Draganfly for my A & B series

Quality and fitment all good

S
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: Peter in Aus on 10.02. 2017 23:14
I purchased the throttle control and cables from  Draganfly for my A & B series

Quality and fitment all good

S
Me to  *smile*
Peter
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: beezermacc on 11.02. 2017 05:01
Speaking as a supplier I find the main problem is that most bikes have had some components changed from original. It is rare to find a bike which has original handlebars, twistgrip, carburettor, levers, brake plates etc. On my own bikes I've got into the habit of making my own cables. Universal cable kits, or D-I-Y cables as I call them, are readily available. I find if I make my own cables I end up with a neater job because the cables will be the perfect length to look right on the bike whilst allowing enough room for the turn of the handlebars without the cables being unnecessarily long and sloppy looking. Obviously cables need to be made with some care as there are safety implications. The nipples must be well matched to the wire but these are usually supplied together as part of the kit. Use very good quality wire cutters and splay the end of the cable carefully so that it spreads fully within the open end of the nipple. Hang the cable in the vice, use a little flux and apply the solder from the inside end of the nipple. Don't use too much heat. I tend to waft the torch over the nipple until the solder runs and I keep melting solder in until it 'blobs' at the open end of the cable. When the cable has cooled I skim the solder off until the nipple fits in the lever.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: Tomcat on 11.02. 2017 08:01

I've been very impressed with Fecked lately - good gear and good fast service - although I've had no problems with any of the other usual suspects.
good luck Raymond.


Off Topic...  Feked supplied my siamese pipes and they fitted with minor mods. Like *smile*
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 11.02. 2017 11:27
If you are going to make the effort to make your own cables then do it properly and fit a free rotating drum to the handlebar end and not a fixed drum.
When you pull on a cable, the cable tries to rotate because of the lay of the wire.
Motorcycle controls are designed to allow for this rotation at the engine end of the cables by fitting a ball or pear end which in theory can rotate.
In practice the socket the ball fits into is usually mutilated and the cable does not rotate , so it starts to snap strands at the handlebar end as the cable is really a bunch of very fine steel wires that you are twisting twice every time you pull a lever.
By fitting a pear and free rotating drum to the handle bar end you allow for this rotation at both ends.
This gives you 2 benefits
1) the cable will last indefinately & never break.
2) more of the force you put on the lever will be transmitted to the other end of the cable thus making both the clutch & brake lighter.

Aside from that the pears are easier to solder on than a complete drum.
Slip the drum onto the wire, thin hole first then run it out of the way.
Do the same with the pear,
lightly solder the place where you are going to cut the wire then cut it with bolt cutters.
Hold the wire in a vice with about 1/4" exposed and splay out the wires with a sharp pointed center punch.
Pull the pear back up the wire till the splayed wires are inside the domed part, don't pull it all the way off.
Now fill the pear with 30:70 ( high strength) tin mans solder.
If necessary , like me you have solder where it should not be, polish off, now lube and slid the drum back over the cable, realizing you have forgotten the end ferrule & Adjuster. *pull hair out*
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: coater87 on 11.02. 2017 12:21
 Its probable I will end up making the cables, I can buy everything from this place:  http://www.flanderscables.com/index.html

 But first I have to find controls so I know exactly what I need to order. I just looked at Paul Goffs site, and he has some levers with "improved plating" that look kind of promising. Anyone ever deal with him?

 Where can you find brake and clutch levers with ball sockets and not barrel receivers? I dont know if I have ever seen those, but its not something you normally look at. ;)

 Lee
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: rocker21 on 11.02. 2017 12:37
yes i know Paul, he has some good stuff, not the cheapest guy, but good kit and he is helpful if there are problems.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: bikerbob on 11.02. 2017 12:41
BSA_54A10 I like your idea as I have made my own cables for some time now, but could you put some pictures on showing what you do as I have never heard of the pear idea or indeed what a pear is apart from eating them. Thanks.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 11.02. 2017 18:03
BSA_54A10 I like your idea as I have made my own cables for some time now, but could you put some pictures on showing what you do as I have never heard of the pear idea or indeed what a pear is apart from eating them. Thanks.

(http://a1.amlimg.com/Mjk5ZjJiMzNkNzlmOWY1NWM4MWYxNzQ1OWUyZTNhN2EJ14n52tkCfMABCeIaHGhWaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmFkc2ltZy5jb20vMzJjODk0YzcxZDE4NzlkN2EzOWRkNGNiZGY1MjM5NTczYjNlOTNiMDdmMGUzN2JjNjgxNGFhMDJiNGVkMTdjZi5qcGd8fHx8fHwxODB4MTIwfGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWR2ZXJ0cy5pZS9zdGF0aWMvaS93YXRlcm1hcmsucG5nfHxodHRwOi8vc3RhdGljLmFtbGltZy5jb20vZW1wdHktaW1hZ2VzL25vbmVfMzk0LmpwZ3w=.jpg)
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: chaterlea25 on 11.02. 2017 22:51
Hi All,
I'm fairly sure I previously posted about soldering cable titties *eek*
A solder pot is the tool to use, cheap as chips on fleabay, get the one with stainless pot
Use Bakers soldering fluid as flux, do not use electrical solder
Heres a link to rotating barrel adaptors as used on Goldies, not too hard to make ??
http://www.barleycorn.co.uk/BSA-Goldstar?product_id=77

John
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: coater87 on 12.02. 2017 00:43
 :o *angry*

 I just ordered a ton of stuff from barleycorn and it shipped!

 So those will fit into the barrel receiver, then you can fit the ball ends correct?

 Lee
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 12.02. 2017 10:42
BSA_54A10 I like your idea as I have made my own cables for some time now, but could you put some pictures on showing what you do as I have never heard of the pear idea or indeed what a pear is apart from eating them. Thanks.

(http://a1.amlimg.com/Mjk5ZjJiMzNkNzlmOWY1NWM4MWYxNzQ1OWUyZTNhN2EJ14n52tkCfMABCeIaHGhWaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmFkc2ltZy5jb20vMzJjODk0YzcxZDE4NzlkN2EzOWRkNGNiZGY1MjM5NTczYjNlOTNiMDdmMGUzN2JjNjgxNGFhMDJiNGVkMTdjZi5qcGd8fHx8fHwxODB4MTIwfGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWR2ZXJ0cy5pZS9zdGF0aWMvaS93YXRlcm1hcmsucG5nfHxodHRwOi8vc3RhdGljLmFtbGltZy5jb20vZW1wdHktaW1hZ2VzL25vbmVfMzk0LmpwZ3w=.jpg)

Gees you blokes know how to make a fella feel redundant   *dunno*
Talk about quick off the blocks.

As for levers, those drums fit into standard levers not special ones.
Measure the distance from the pivot pin in the handle to the cable hole.
Levers come in a variety of sizes . You can use one that is too long for extra leverage but you can't use one that is too short.
I use standard drums drilled to fit the cable end in Triton's photo.
If you buy them as a set the drum should be predrilled otherwise you need to drill out the through hole to take the thin end of the nipple then the other end to take the thick bit and allow enough clearence for the cable to rotate.
Never seen those "goldie" slip on drums, although I do like the idea of the extra flange on the end.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: bikerbob on 12.02. 2017 13:29
Sorry but I still do not see how that fits into the  handlebar lever.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: muskrat on 12.02. 2017 19:35
BB, the big barrel nipple that fits in the handlebar lever has a larger hole to accept the pear nipple that is soldered to the cable. The pear nipple and cable can turn in the barrel to relieve stress in the cable.
Cheers
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: bikerbob on 16.02. 2017 08:26
Thanks for the info Muskrat I now understand how it works.
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: duTch on 18.02. 2017 23:13

 
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....Heres a link to rotating barrel adaptors as used on Goldies, not too hard to make ??
http://www.barleycorn.co.uk/BSA-Goldstar?product_id=77

John

 I bought three of those style barrels  from Lightning Spares about five years ago, but haven't used one yet because the hole for actual cable ends is about 7/5 mm dia. and the fat bit about 1/4" long, they're hard to find so may need to make/modify something.

 My Gutzzi uses similar, but longer and they only used them I think on the 750 Sport and 850T (like mine)
Title: Re: Cables and controls needed, looking for advice
Post by: cyclobutch on 20.02. 2017 14:07
Ha - talking of Guzzis Dutch, and indeed your signature line, I was left in that position just last weekend. Riding the Veefer up into N Wales for the Dragon Rally. Stopped in an uphill layby on the A14 to take a leak and then found I had no indicators and perhaps more importantly no starter. Ended up pushing to the top of the layby, three point turning and then bump starting downhill into the flow of traffic. Went well enough. Unstrapped the luggage at the next services and found a dead fuse in the fuse box box under the seat.