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Title: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 12.06. 2009 15:15: Friends
I am of Brazil and I am here new in the forum. Excuse my bad English.
I took more than 10 years to recover a BSA A10 1950 and now that it is ready, I am with serious problems with the magneto.
He warms up (hot) and it doesn't work more.
Could you find out where I can make a good restoration of this K2F?
Somebody of the group writes in portugÃªs.
Thank you very much!

Alguem do grupo escreve em portuguÃªs ?

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAAAdj0AkTzCP149-Mxw0960ImlABwZVfKc22P5kqsZ3C7neWdaHdrZBTnCnFpVzh9WwZ6zz3fmBMisX3zk6cL3CsAm1T1UCYMzokYvnNcD6MHU19XupuZCYPb.jpg
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: raymo on 12.06. 2009 16:43: nice bike,
sorry I dont speak portugese
sounds like you need the Magneto rewinding, as the insulation is breaking down with heat.. I am sure that one of the gurus will be along soon with better advice

best regards

Ray
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: raymo on 12.06. 2009 16:52: http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=101.0

found this old thread that may help :-)
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: a10 gf on 12.06. 2009 17:30: Welcome to the forum, nice photo, nice styling !

Looks like the same magneto problem I described in the link topic provided above.

Some ideas for parts and repairs:
http://www.magneto.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_K1F__K2F__KVF_8.html
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: RichardL on 12.06. 2009 17:32: Arien,

Welcome to the forum. The english you have used has been understood. However, there are two people in my office who speak and write Portugese (both are in Sao Paolo until next week). I can ask them for some help if it is very limitied in number of occasions and length of communication. Translating from Portugese to English will be easier, as they could just read the communication to me. the other way around is more a problem. The forum is intended to be all in English, so if there is a brief communication you need to make in Portugese, send it to me as a personal message. I cannot promise regular availability of this approach to translation.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: A10Boy on 12.06. 2009 17:54: Ahem, here goes with my Portuguese, like me its a little rusty sorry.

Bem-vindo ao fÃ³rum Arlen, essa Ã© uma bela moto vocÃª tem aÃ.

O problema com o magneto, Ã© que quando se aquece o fio enrolamentos comeÃ§ar a fazer para deixar o calor. VocÃª precisarÃ¡ ter o Magneto servidos ou reparados em uma oficina especializada. EstÃ£o a considerar enviÃ¡-lo para a Inglaterra para a reparaÃ§Ã£o, hÃ¡ muitos reparadores aqui. Eu posso te encontrar o endereÃ§o de uma aqui se quiser.
Existem nÃ£o Magneto reparadores no Brasil?

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Welcome to the forum Arlen, that's a nice bike you have there.

The problem with your magneto, is that when it warms up the wire windings start to fail do to the heat. You will need to have the Magneto serviced or repaired at a specialist repairer. Are you considering sending it to England for repair, there are many repairers here. I can find you the address of one here if you want.
Are there no Magneto repairers in Brazil?
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: RichardL on 12.06. 2009 19:14: Andy,

What a relief for Arlen. and me. that you we able to step in with the Portugese and the answer. Impressive. Thanks for providing the English translation.

Ricahrd L.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: beezalex on 12.06. 2009 20:02: Welcome, arlen. I have never had a problem with the windings breaking down. There is a myth floating around that the insulation is shellac, which is totally untrue. In my experience, temperature related magneto failure is caused by the condeser. Replacing the condenser has always cured this for me. Modern replacements are available (stay away from NOS) but they are buried in the armature and therefore require a special puller. If you just want someone to rebuild the magneto, I don't know of anyone who does it better than Ed Strain in Florida:

Ed Strain
6555 44th St. N. #2006
Pinellas Park, FL 33781
TEL: (800) 266-1623
TEL: (813) 521-1597

It will cost you about $300US for a rewind, modern condenser, new bearings and re-magnetizing the housing.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 12.06. 2009 22:33: Thanks Andy, thanks Richard, thanks for all friends!
Now I have my BSA A10 and one more mechanics completes of A10 that I want to recuperate.
Here in Brazil I sent already to 2 restoring but they only took my money, it was very bad.
I would like to send K2F to recuperate in a specialist, but the laws customs Brazilian is rigorous and they don't allow the entrance in Brazil of used products.
Same being recuperated for instance in UK, when it comes back to Brazil he would enter as used product and it would be obstructed in the customs.
The only alternative would be to enter in Brazil in a hand luggage/pacage...
I could also buy a ready magneto, already recovered...
Andy, where can I make the restoration of my K2F with quality? Is the price good?
Alex, Ed Strain is good!?
Our money in Brazil is very weak in relation to euros or pounds.
Thank you once again to all !!!!

My bike ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BR&hl=pt&v=vSwXUNvgWTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BR&hl=pt&v=P2NWMTLcnKg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BR&hl=pt&v=d6wwzuFkQGA
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: RichardL on 12.06. 2009 23:20: Arlen,

I liked the videos.

Perhaps you or a friend are skilled enough to do some of the work yourself. If so, new parts for your magneto could be purchased from:
https://www.magneto.co.uk/acatalog/Index.html

I was particularly interested where it says that the condenser comes with complete installation instructions. Perhaps write this company, explain your problem with Brasil customs, tell tham that you would like a set of the isntructions only, to determine if you want to undertake the job.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: LJ. on 13.06. 2009 11:11: Arlen... It maybe a good idea to get to know DT who is also a member of this forum and lives in Brazil. Maybe you could get to know each other he could take your magneto to UK and get repaired in time for him to take back to Brazil. It's worth a try speaking to him.

http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=490

Now here's my interpretation!... (Thanks to Bablefish! Did you guys really think I could speak Portugese?)

Arlen? Ele talvez uma boa idÃ©ia conhecer o descolamento que Ã© igualmente um membro destes fÃ³rum e vidas em Brasil. Talvez vocÃª poderia conhecer que ele poderia tomar seu magneto ao Reino Unido e comeÃ§ reparou a tempo para que tome de volta a Brasil. It' valor de s uma tentativa que fala a ele.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: A10Boy on 13.06. 2009 11:39: Arlen

Se vocÃª nÃ£o pode importar um produto utilizado no Brasil, vocÃª poderia pedir a reparaÃ§Ã£o de enviÃ¡-lo novamente como um novo produto? Seria olhar como novo.

Para ajudar, se vocÃª Ã© incapaz de prover isso, gostaria de discutir esta questÃ£o com as empresas de reparaÃ§Ã£o e organizar esta em seu nome. Ou eu poderia mandÃ¡-lo para si prÃ³prio, mas vocÃª precisa me dizer como chegar em torno dos direitos de importaÃ§Ã£o brasileira.

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If you can not import a used product into Brasil, could you ask the repairer to send it back as a new product ? It would look like new.

To assist, if you are unable to arrange this, I would discuss this with the repairers and arrange this on your behalf. Or I could send it to you myself, but you would need to tell me how to get around the Brazilian import duties.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 13.06. 2009 14:15: LJ
See the message that appeared when trying to open the link that you passed me.
An Error Has Occurred!
Many apologies, but you can't view just any profile.

Quote from: LJ. on 13.06. 2009 11:11
Arlen... It maybe a good idea to get to know DT who is also a member of this forum and lives in Brazil. Maybe you could get to know each other he could take your magneto to UK and get repaired in time for him to take back to Brazil. It's worth a try speaking to him.

http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=490

Now here's my interpretation!... (Thanks to Bablefish! Did you guys really think I could speak Portugese?)

Arlen? Ele talvez uma boa idÃ©ia conhecer o descolamento que Ã© igualmente um membro destes fÃ³rum e vidas em Brasil. Talvez vocÃª poderia conhecer que ele poderia tomar seu magneto ao Reino Unido e comeÃ§ reparou a tempo para que tome de volta a Brasil. It' valor de s uma tentativa que fala a ele.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 13.06. 2009 14:21: Andy

I will do in the way that you are suggesting.
Which company do you recommend to do the service?
We will negotiate for them to order the invoice as new product.
I know FTW Motorcycles (375 pounds) and SRM (300 pounds), but I find a little expensive.
Will it be that got better prices?
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Vou fazer da forma que vocÃª estÃ¡ sugerindo.
Qual empresa vocÃª recomenda para fazer o serviÃ§o ?
Vamos negociar para que eles mandem a fatura como produto novo.
ConheÃ§o a FTW Motorcycles (375 libras) e SRM (300 libras), mas acho um pouco caro.
SerÃ¡ que conseguimos preÃ§os melhores ?
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: A10Boy on 13.06. 2009 18:46: Arlen

Experimente esses caras, eles sÃ£o tÃ£o bons como qualquer.

Se vocÃª precisar de alguma ajuda me avise.

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Try these guys, they are as good as any.

If you need any help let me know.

http://www.hawkerelectrical.co.uk/pages/motorcycle_magnetos.htm (http://www.hawkerelectrical.co.uk/pages/motorcycle_magnetos.htm)

http://www.magnetorepairs.com/about.shtml (http://www.magnetorepairs.com/about.shtml)
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 13.06. 2009 21:14: Thank you Andy
I already made contact with them and I will await the return next week.
As soon as they come back I communicate to you.
Thank you very much!
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Am I using a software to write in English, is it clear the one what I write?
Estou usando um software para escrever em inglÃªs, estÃ¡ claro o que escrevo ?
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Obrigado Andy
JÃ¡ fiz contato com eles e vou aguardar o retorno na semana que vem.
Assim que eles retornarem eu comunico a vocÃª.
Muito obrigado !
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: A10Boy on 13.06. 2009 23:41: Yes, it is very clear.

Sim, Ã© muito claro.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Daniel Toro (DT) on 14.06. 2009 03:56: Quote from: manosound on 12.06. 2009 17:32
However, there are two people in my office who speak and write Portugese (both are in Sao Paolo until next week).

Richard L.

Hey Richard, send us some form of contact with they. we can drink a few beers here in SÃ£o Paulo and pratice some english too. :)

Arlen, welcome to the forum, we talk by private mails ok?
IÂ´ll be in England for a month in july.

regards
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: LJ. on 14.06. 2009 07:56: Quote
Arlen, welcome to the forum, we talk by private mails ok?

Hey lads... Your very welcome to carry on here in your own language! Dont separate yourselves from the other BSA A7 / A10 guys. *smile*

Hey rapazes? Seu muito bem-vindo a continuar aqui em sua prÃ³pria lÃngua! NÃ£o se separe dos outros indivÃduos A7/A10 de BSA. *smile*
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 14.06. 2009 22:56: Friends
Do you know the company FTW Motorcycles? See:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110368487787#ebayphotohosting

Are good products? It is totally recuperated the sale of K2F , WITHOUT change base.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 14.06. 2009 23:19: Andy
The company Hawkeletrical is not catching service until September.
The company Magnetorepairs quoted in Â£150 to Â£200

In the moment I am awaiting the company FTW to verify has immediate delivery.
I await the comments of the company FTW, to see if I buy.
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Daniel Toro (DT) on 15.06. 2009 04:03: Quote from: LJ. on 14.06. 2009 07:56

Hey rapazes? Seu muito bem-vindo a continuar aqui em sua prÃ³pria lÃngua! NÃ£o se separe dos outros indivÃduos A7/A10 de BSA. *smile*

Hey LJ, we need improve our english! ;D
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: Arlen on 17.06. 2009 00:38: Friends
I would like to thank in a lot the all the cordiality and effort to help me.
I am the disposition of all for any need here in Brazil.
Taking advantage of, does anybody have some opinion on FTW Motorcycles?
I sought at the forum but I didn't find.
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: bsa-bill on 17.06. 2009 21:08: I have had two magneto and a dynamo serviced by FTW, the first Maggy is on my road going flash and works well, the other maggy and dynamo are on my project that is someway off roadgoing as yet.
I found they were not fast but that is often a good siqn ( plenty to do = plenty of customers)

All the best - Bill
Title: Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
Post by: beezalex on 17.06. 2009 22:34: Arlen, Ed is very good and usually turns stuff around in less than a week. If you ask him he'll probably write anything on the customs form you want.