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Title: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: LynnLegend on 04.08. 2017 19:30
Hi all,

As I was born in 1989, I don't remember the heyday of the Mods v Rockers by virtue of not being born, so I'm not really able to appreciate what it must have been like in real life. That having been said, I can see quite clearly that Rockers on their cafe racer British bikes were inherently cool; what I don't understand is why the Mod movement was popular and what was cool about it?

I wonder if having been brought up on a diet of Rolling Stones, AC\DC, Triumph and BSA (thanks Dad!) my take on the Mod movement is a bit biased?!

I would be interested to hear the thoughts of forum members who are a bit closer to those cultural movements.

Thanks!

Sam.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: morris on 04.08. 2017 20:20
If you haven't yet seen the movie Quadrophenia, then get the DVD as fast as you can.
A lot of your questions will be answered... *bright idea*
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Rex on 04.08. 2017 22:02
Quadrophenia? I saw that nonsense at the cinema when it came out....my over-riding memory is of the leading actor (Phil something-or-other) standing in the rain and gurning as if his life depended on it.
Oh, and that self-projecting idiot Sting trying to be cool in a suit and haircut 15 years ahead of it's time... ;)
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Sluggo on 05.08. 2017 00:33
Simple correlation perhaps more relatable (Still dated but at least a 1980s reference)

For UK music styles, you MIGHT prefer Judas Priest, Def leppard, Saxon, Motorhead or?
-OR-
You were a Flock of Seagulls, Duran Duran or Simple minds or other mindless drivel

Or,, Marshall stack (JCM800 super lead, 4x12 cabinets with celestion speakers)
-Or-
Fender twin reverb.

Taken in light of that, Skinny ties, Winkle pickers and scooters might seem like a credible lifestyle choice for the time period.

Working class vs preppies?

I know a local guy, theres a number of Scooter clubs in our area and quite popular, the whole retro scene is quite popular but like you, most were born well after the Mods & Rockers and dont really know much about it or the epic rivalry.

So Bob rides up on his Matchless twin dressed in Black leather to one of the local scooter gathering spots and growls  "Wanna fight?"

It was hilarious!  The Scooter kids were "Oh my NO!,, Did we do something to offend you?" 
Several started apologizing having no idea why Bob wanted to start a fight.  (He really was not, just screwing with them)  They had no clue about it or why Bob was going on about..

Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: WozzA on 05.08. 2017 00:47
If you haven't yet seen the movie Quadrophenia, then get the DVD as fast as you can.
A lot of your questions will be answered... *bright idea*
The movie does not tell the truth... The ROCKERS won the fight..   *eek* *wink2*
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: KiwiGF on 05.08. 2017 02:29
Hi all,

As I was born in 1989, I don't remember the heyday of the Mods v Rockers by virtue of not being born, so I'm not really able to appreciate what it must have been like in real life. That having been said, I can see quite clearly that Rockers on their cafe racer British bikes were inherently cool; what I don't understand is why the Mod movement was popular and what was cool about it?

I wonder if having been brought up on a diet of Rolling Stones, AC\DC, Triumph and BSA (thanks Dad!) my take on the Mod movement is a bit biased?!

I would be interested to hear the thoughts of forum members who are a bit closer to those cultural movements.

Thanks!

Sam.

I was born in 58 and rode my super rocket as soon as I was 17. I only suffered a little from the mod movement as it was largely over by the time I was riding, there was still the odd scrap between mods and rockers going on (particularly in Brighton I remember) but the trouble was probably hyped up by the media, as I never saw it. The rocker movement was also pretty much over by then as well.

I remember them as a bunch of "posers" riding scooters and wearing parkas, but they thought they were super cool, and unlike rockers they seemed to be into taking drugs.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Black Sheep on 05.08. 2017 06:17
Being a bit more venerable, my motorcycling career started at the time of Mods and Rockers. I never really saw the point of it all. A bunch of us used to hang about and go for rides on an Enfield Crusader, an Enfield Bullet, a Tiger Cub, a Vespa 150, a Lambretta 175 and a Honda S90. Usaully changing out of school uniform first. But not always.   
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: RoyC on 05.08. 2017 07:59
I was born in 1944 (and was a rocker), just at the best time.
No conscription, no speed limits (out of town), no crash helmets, great music, no drugs and no booze.
It was a great time to be a teenager.
There is plenty on Youtube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vmzvlHrTCs  -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vmzvlHrTCs&B300309D838099B6330F83B95A4BF069
 Roy.

Two pics.
My mate on his triton and me on my 1961 A7ss.
If you look closely you can see the word ROCKER on my helmet under my goggles.

By the way, The Stones and The Beatles were nothing to do with Rock N Roll, It had finished by then. But what a time to have been young.
 
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 05.08. 2017 08:38
Hi all,

As I was born in 1989, I don't remember the heyday of the Mods v Rockers by virtue of not being born, so I'm not really able to appreciate what it must have been like in real life. That having been said, I can see quite clearly that Rockers on their cafe racer British bikes were inherently cool; what I don't understand is why the Mod movement was popular and what was cool about it?

I wonder if having been brought up on a diet of Rolling Stones, AC\DC, Triumph and BSA (thanks Dad!) my take on the Mod movement is a bit biased?!

I would be interested to hear the thoughts of forum members who are a bit closer to those cultural movements.

Thanks!

Sam.

I was alive in mod/rocker days, but was at the little school.

There's not much point trying to rationalise teenage fashions.

Did you say Rolling Stones?

(http://blogs.20minutos.es/trasdos/files/2011/11/rolling_stones_philip_townsend_1963.jpg)
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: terryg on 05.08. 2017 10:01
Mods liked and wore smart clothes, for example sharply cut suits and expensive shoes. The scooter fairing and footplate (and Parka) must have been a great help in preserving 'the look'.
That's my recollection - seen from the rocker side, of course.

I do enjoy Quadraphenia. Not just the excellent music of The Who but also seeing early performances by soon to be big names, like Leslie Ash and Ray Winstone among others.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: RoyC on 05.08. 2017 10:22

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I was born in 58 and rode my super rocket as soon as I was 17. 
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If I recall you could have rode your bike at 16. but due to young L riders getting on 650's and killing themselves, the government said that learners could only ride 250cc bikes unless it had a sidecar on it.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 05.08. 2017 11:07
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I was born in 58 and rode my super rocket as soon as I was 17. 

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If I recall you could have rode your bike at 16.

Not if born in 1958.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: LynnLegend on 05.08. 2017 11:31
Thanks for all the answers so far - Roy those are some great photos.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Zander on 05.08. 2017 19:43
You kids don't know yer born *smiley4*
I started my apprenticeship in 1955, joined a rock group, rode me T100 from Croydon to Brighton for fun in the evenings after work but missed all the punch ups!
Those were the days!!! *beer*
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: ellis on 05.08. 2017 22:00
You old rocker you *bash*
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Zander on 06.08. 2017 13:34
Old Rocker? Cheeky monkey *grins*
I had a foot in both mod n rocker camps as Trojan became Lambretta concessionaires for the UK while I was there.  Mind you, I didn't buy ( or want) one - too expensive!
Lambretta did, however, make a gorgeous V twin motorcycle but only saw it through the slats of a crate - they wouldn't let us open it.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Topdad on 07.08. 2017 11:50
In our gang of of 5 we had an additional friend who was at Uni however he'd join us ,BSA A10 ,2 trumpets ,a huntmaster and a C15 with an LD150 ,never let him down and wasn't that slow at times . We did have some runins with Mods ,at a local chippy I emptied a jar of pickled cabbage over one who persisted in pinching loads of my supper despite being told to leave off ,had been a lovely light grey  suit ,silly sod went to belt me so we ended up outside and I whacked him .Then had to go and get some more supper as my mates had eaten mine while I was thumping the mod !! Mostly we just got along ok .
Strange as I sold bikes for a living I exchanged my Belstaff and jeans for a suit at work and used to ride in that around town ,sometimes I had to sell Scooters but I avoided riding 'em just couldn't get along with 'em.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Butch (cb) on 07.08. 2017 13:27
Yes I missed the main event by some years. Historians now suggest that the Mods vs. Rockers main events were massively over stated by the popular press of the day anyway. There was a modish revival in the late 70s I think. I’d stepped up from a CD175 to my A10 in 1979 and was enormously pleased to have ‘British bike bastard’ shouted at me when rumbling under the railway bridge in central Chelmsford not long after I had got it. Got into a slanging match with one or two of them around then and at one point the whole of the Billericay Parkas were supposedly out gunning for me.

Water under the bridge now of course. We’re all just old motorcycle enthusiasts, of possibly still slightly different stripes. So now I’m just an old head banger; enjoy watching a rerun of Quadrophenia from time to time. If you were bemused by Phil Daniels performance in that one check out the file Freebird some time – that’s a real, err, treat.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Rex on 08.08. 2017 12:48
Not that I have the least interest in riding any sort of scooter, but I must admit the old boy Mods (sometimes seen out en masse on Bank Holidays and Sundays) do seem to have a good social "scene" going on.
Bit of a ride out then back to the bar/pub where Motown, Stax or Atlantic records are playing full-blast.
Beer, good music and personal transportation is a heady mix... ;)
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Greybeard on 08.08. 2017 14:08
Motorcyclelists were considered dirty greasers by the mods who had smart Italian suits and Italian scooters.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: RoyC on 08.08. 2017 14:55
The male mods were pure posers who used drugs, drink and dancing .
Rockers were more for fun and went more for coffee bars and juke boxes.
Then there were another lot that were nearer to rockers than mods, the Teds. (Teddy Boys).
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: BSARGS650 on 08.08. 2017 16:44
Mmmm....Born in 1949, had the privilege to experience a fast, exciting changing world of music, fashion, culture and much, much more...A couple of us Rockers at the time had some grief from a few Mods at one time, one who was a bit mouthier and braver than the others and something had to be done as the USA would say in modern speak.  The said one's Lambretta was thrown off the canal bridge followed by himself, a result and no more grief........
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: RoyC on 08.08. 2017 16:51
Mmmm....Born in 1949, had the privilege to experience a fast, exciting changing world of music, fashion, culture and much, much more...A couple of us Rockers at the time had some grief from a few Mods at one time, one who was a bit mouthier and braver than the others and something had to be done as the USA would say in modern speak.  The said one's Lambretta was thrown off the canal bridge followed by himself, a result and no more grief........
I bet that ruined his posh suit   *woo*
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: BSARGS650 on 08.08. 2017 17:42
From what I remember, he and his mates had army type surplus khaki jackets.....I thought the suited types lived in Chelsea, Knightsbridge, Hampstead......
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: bsa-bill on 08.08. 2017 19:12
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the Teds. (Teddy Boys).
Ah but they were not the originals, the original Teddy Boys (so called as they liked Edwardian fashion they say) wore drape jackets in bright colours with contrasting black collars and pocket flaps, very tight tapered trousers called drainpipes (similar to today's skinny look) and shoes with thick crepe soles ( brothel creepers) often black or blue suede ( hence the song by Carl Perkins I think) UH HU.

Now don't pretend you can't remember
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: RoyC on 08.08. 2017 19:38
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the Teds. (Teddy Boys).
Ah but they were not the originals, the original Teddy Boys (so called as they liked Edwardian fashion they say) wore drape jackets in bright colours with contrasting black collars and pocket flaps, very tight tapered trousers called drainpipes (similar to today's skinny look) and shoes with thick crepe soles ( brothel creepers) often black or blue suede ( hence the song by Carl Perkins I think) UH HU.

Now don't pretend you can't remember

That is what I mean by teds  -  Drapes & crepes with a cwif.
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Billybream on 08.08. 2017 21:58
Come on lads, now identify the bike
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 08.08. 2017 22:03
Come on lads, now identify the bike

1970s Japanese 4?
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: duTch on 08.08. 2017 23:09

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Quote from: Billybream on Today at 07:58:56

    Come on lads, now identify the bike


1970s Japanese 4?

 My first hought was also some kind of Jappo, but also may be some kind of Beemer
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: KiwiGF on 08.08. 2017 23:43
Come on lads, now identify the bike

GT750 ?
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: bsa-bill on 09.08. 2017 09:38
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That is what I mean by teds  -  Drapes & crepes with a cwif.

a little more decorative than the ones in Morpeth Northumberland but yep think we're talking the same guys, wonder if they kept their gear (what goes around comes around)
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: WozzA on 13.08. 2017 08:09
Here's a couple of pics of me old Pommy mate Beeza & his Rocket back in the days..
& his A10 now... bugger wouldn't sell it to me... for love or money..
Title: Re: Mods v Rockers - Why was 'Mod' popular?
Post by: LynnLegend on 13.08. 2017 18:33
Great photos Wozza. Infinitely cooler than me and my mates with our crap mopeds (fun though they were)