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Title: Better than Gunk
Post by: A10 JWO on 01.09. 2017 17:38
I am trying to clean a filthy BSA 650 engine. It is covered in oily grim. The engine is in frame so cannot aqua blast it. My Gunk is not touching the mess, is there anything stronger on the market.
It is the inner crankcases that are affected, not the polished outer covers. Thanks.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 01.09. 2017 18:23
Paraffin/kerosine followed by strong detergent solution followed by clean hot water preferably applied from a compressed air spray gun and agitated with paint brush and tooth brush, (best not to use wifeys electric toothbrush). Blow dry with compressed air. I have used petrol but that's a bit risky.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: coater87 on 01.09. 2017 19:33
 I dont know if its available over there, but if you can get hold of Oderless Mineral Spirits it works great.

 The odor is not bad, but still do it outside.

 Use stiff, nylon bristle brushes.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Bsareg on 01.09. 2017 19:35
I've found cellulose thinners (gun wash) to shift almost anything, even baked on castor but must be wiped off before it dries.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 01.09. 2017 20:27
I dont know if its available over there, but if you can get hold of Oderless Mineral Spirits it works great.
Is that what we in the UK call White Spirit? Used for diluting oil based house paint and cleaning brushes?
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Bsareg on 01.09. 2017 22:08
Thinners is sold by garage suppliers for thinning the cellulose paint. A cheaper form is gunwash used for cleaning out the spray guns (less refined) . Not the same as white spirit, stinks like old fashioned sweets. Best kept away from paintwork but will pull carbon even off exhaust pipe.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: coater87 on 02.09. 2017 02:27
GB,

 I looked it up and Wikipedia says they are the same thing.

 Over here we have stuff that barely smells at all. Most of my buddies use it in their parts washers because the stink doesn't drive you out of the shop.

Lee
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Bsareg on 02.09. 2017 09:32
Definitely not the same thing. In GB we use white spirit for cleaning paint brushes and thinning household type enamal paint. Cellulose thinners is the Base liquid that was used for cars etc ( before it was banned), will flash dry because very volatile, wouldn't want to use it in a parts washer. Its still availible over here for after market use
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: bsa-bill on 02.09. 2017 10:11
A product called "Marine Clean" supplied with tank lining kits is very good, it's not a solvent of any sort just a very powerful detergent, but do read the instructions, it requires thinning with water.

straight out of the plastic bottle it will leave a mark on polished alloy that needs to be buffed out at considerable amounts of elbow grease or a buffing wheel and wax, I'll leave you to work  out how I know this *conf*
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 02.09. 2017 11:25
Definitely not the same thing. In GB we use white spirit for cleaning paint brushes and thinning household type enamal paint. Cellulose thinners is the Base liquid that was used for cars etc ( before it was banned), will flash dry because very volatile, wouldn't want to use it in a parts washer. Its still availible over here for after market use
I think we are not reading the previous posts properly  *smile* . I am asking if our White Spirit is the same as Oderless Mineral Spirits in the US. Others are talking about cellulose thinners. I think we all know they are not the same thing.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: bsa-bill on 02.09. 2017 12:31
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I think we are not reading the previous posts properly

Who is  *smile*

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I am trying to clean a filthy BSA 650 engine. It is covered in oily grim. The engine is in frame so cannot aqua blast it. My Gunk is not touching the mess, is there anything stronger on the market.

this was the original post surely GB
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 02.09. 2017 13:20
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I think we are not reading the previous posts properly

Who is  *smile*

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I am trying to clean a filthy BSA 650 engine. It is covered in oily grim. The engine is in frame so cannot aqua blast it. My Gunk is not touching the mess, is there anything stronger on the market.

this was the original post surely GB
Don't call me Shirley!
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: A10 JWO on 02.09. 2017 15:45
Thanks lads, will buy some chem's as advised, are you the original Greybeard that has been on here a long time or the other one on the other BSA Forum, confused.com. Regards A10 JWO which is my number plate.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 02.09. 2017 16:44
...are you the original Greybeard that has been on here a long time or the other one on the other BSA Forum...
That bloke is a fake! If you see him tell him I'll give him a Chinese burn if he doesn't change his handle!
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: bsa-bill on 02.09. 2017 17:35
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I'll give him a Chinese burn

that's the kind of threat Big Daddy would use - sure your not Shirely
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: A10 JWO on 03.09. 2017 16:21
I had the pleasure of seeing Big Daddy flatten the Canadian champion John Quinn at Wembley Stadium in about 60 Secs. It was not fixed HONEST June 1979.

Anyway tried thinners today, cleaned some crap away; a slow process. A chap at the Sunday pub today said to try Mr. Muscle oven cleaner ??? Chinese Burn ouch !! LOL.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 03.09. 2017 16:50
Oven cleaner will likely be Caustic Soda which must not come into contact with aluminium, (or aluminum).
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: A10 JWO on 04.09. 2017 17:39
If Big Daddy can beat the Canadian Mighty John Quinn at Wembley 1979, my money is on Greybeard Shirley.  *smile*
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 04.09. 2017 17:59
I've just remembered that Big Daddy's real name was Shirley!
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: coater87 on 05.09. 2017 16:02
 Yes,

 stay away from oven cleaners or things like Simple Green. They are questionable for very short periods on aluminum, and anywhere that is not rinsed off completely clean will turn a very dark grey inside a couple of hours.

 Plus, they don clean any better than thinner.

 Lee
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: cyclobutch on 05.09. 2017 16:33
GB,

 I looked it up and Wikipedia says they are the same thing.

 Over here we have stuff that barely smells at all. Most of my buddies use it in their parts washers because the stink doesn't drive you out of the shop.

Lee

Nearly died in a trichlorethylene tank when I was an apprentice. Had to be dragged out a bit sharpish.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Topdad on 06.09. 2017 10:23
Could what Coater called odorless white spirit be what we call Meths ,still available we colour it in an attempt to stop people drinking it !
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: cyclobutch on 06.09. 2017 12:01
Could what Coater called odorless white spirit be what we call Meths ,still available we colour it in an attempt to stop people drinking it !

My wife had an uncle who managed to fatally torch himself whilst wall papering by candle light during a power cut after a heavy session on meths.

That’s not the only example of insanity/peculiarities on that side of the family either - not something you consider when you are first dating.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Zander on 06.09. 2017 12:27
Nearly died in a trichlorethylene tank when I was an apprentice. Had to be dragged out a bit sharpish.
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Used to use Trike as a vapour curtain in a large paint dip tank, which had rim extraction.  Lethal stuff - apparently if a smoker draws the vapour through a lit cigarette, it turns to Phosgene, ie Mustard Gas as per WW1, with dire results.
Urban myth?  Don't know, and didn't want to find out, but every annual shut down we drained the tank to clear paint pigment which had settled round the sparge pipes and a team of specialist cleaners would enter the tank using breathing gear to dig it out.
Sh*t Job!
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: a101960 on 06.09. 2017 12:44
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apparently if a smoker draws the vapour through a lit cigarette, it turns to Phosgene, ie Mustard Gas as per WW1, with dire results.
That is no urban myth, unfortunately its absolutely true. Trich is evil stuff, another consequence of inhaling the vapour is cirrhosis of the liver. Not much wonder that it was banned.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: nimrod650 on 12.09. 2017 18:28
dont be put off by the price ELBOW GREASE £1 tesco in yellow spray bottle brilliant
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: Greybeard on 12.09. 2017 18:32
dont be put off by the price ELBOW GREASE £1 tesco in yellow spray bottle brilliant
Yup, it's a real thing. I'll give it a try.

UPDATE:
Sorry, this product is currently not available.
Title: Re: Better than Gunk
Post by: nimrod650 on 14.09. 2017 18:29
got 2 bottles today tesco bridlington