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Title: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 02.10. 2017 17:13
Hey chaps!
Our postman asked me about getting his deceased fathers Norton Dominator going again. At first I thought I'd just try and find someone online who'd be able to work on it. I'm now wondering about offering my services to do it for him. I explained that it is likely to be expensive; told him how much I spent on my BSA. I'd have to store my bike somewhere else as I don't have room for two machines in the man cave. I have a hoist and suitable spanners. Obviously I need to find out what level of finish he wants. I don't even know the age or state of the bike. I think I should be expecting payment for the work but I'm likely to be cheaper than a Norton specialist company.

What are your thoughts on this idea? Do you have knowledge of working on these bikes?
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: muskrat on 02.10. 2017 19:32
G'day GB.
What year and model? I just downloaded a manual from here http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Repair/1960s/NortonRepair1960-1968.pdf
Parts list here http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Parts/1960s/NortonParts1961_1962.pdf
Nice bikes the Dummies.
Cheers
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 02.10. 2017 19:51
Thanks Musky. I don't know anything about this Norton except it's a Dominator. I'll update when I can.
Should I tackle it?
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Sluggo on 02.10. 2017 21:41
Depends on what you want out of the experience.  Compensation for time and knowledge?  Satisfaction for returning a classic to life?  Opportunity to learn, develop skills, and expand your horizons?

There is a severe shortage of knowledge and skill to work on vintage bikes. The key is proper compensation and managing the wide range of issues related, From psychology-counseling & education of the owner, To dealing with vendors, suppliers and related tradesman you have to outsource tasks too. (Plating, paint, machine work & welding that you might not have the resources to do yourself).  The demand is there, but few people perform all these tasks well.

I for example LOVE this sort of work, but I am a terrible business person, I have the skills and knowledge but learned I need someone else to manage certain aspects such as accounting, estimating, inventory and budgets. 

The psychology side of things should NEVER be minimized.  I have a lengthy list of stories when I ran my own shop, ran other shops or was employed by others.  There is a NEED for a book for small business owners on how to deal with staff-employees, vendors and anyone else you come in contact with.  I often sought advice from others and had one customer who ran several restaurants and clubs.  His behavior became a problem. (It did not end well and he tried to sue me-lost).  A trusted friend told me to look at the other persons perspective and in this case this person came from a culture of:
A) All employees are stealing or gifting their friends and family YOUR products
B) Customers tend to be dishonest
C) All vendors are cheating-shorting you if the opportunity presents itself
D) Cash based business so either you have to work 90 hr work weeks or have a trusted relative/spouse-close friend watching things when you are not on site.

So, I learned a lot from that experience but today, I no longer have the patience or tolerance to deal with that stuff.   I Dabble a little in this trade these days to fund my own interests but I do NOT operate a store front for the public.

But I knew Kenny Dreer very well,, (He used to live down the street from me) and he is well known in the Motorcycle world long before he revived the Norton name.  But he ran off a LOT of customers because they were too difficult to deal with. But best advice he ever gave me was
"YOU have to manage all aspects of the job, NEVER let the customer call the shots".  Seems extreme but its true in many ways.

As to the Norton itself,,, SURE!  Will be fun! Very similar to late 50s-early 60s preunit BSAs, parts sources are generally plentiful and excellent, prices are not bad and very simple designs.

They have their faults and issues just like BSA-Triumph but depending on model and year its all very manageable.   Wealth of knowledge out there.  I gave a tech talk at last years INOA Norton rally in California, and I will be attending the 2018 INOA rally in Washington state.  I can send you tons of tech material and info on Nortons of any year/model and if you need help, I am happy to do so, or point you to others as well.

I am a founding member of O.N.E (Oregon Norton Enthusiasts) and you can check out the website here: http://oregonnorton.org/
and download newsletters there as well.

And yes, I own a LOT of Nortons, from Norton America Prototypes (952/961) to several Commando's, Atlas, A wideline custom with a Buell engine, several 500 singles-1947 & 1962, and multiple Hybrids- IE: P11, N15, G15,  and  a Matchless G80CS.  I have a local Dommie project I might purchase soon,,its in sad shape but its calling my name. 

Also, I was a founding member and contributor to the world fastest Norton 500cc team, Currently holds 2 land speed records.  That whole thing is a story in itself.  500 twin using wide range of years and parts, many were Commando, sitting in a slimline featherbed frame.

Here is a picture of my good friend and Norton Guru Sir Eddy.  Eddy had the very first Manxman twin in the western US.  He also was featured on the cover of several magazines back in the day as a well respected tuner.  At one Point Berliner motors (Norton Importer) had his race team beat, and beat badly at a national race by Eddies bikes raced by Sonny Burres and TL Hoagland so being a real class act,. Berline said "I dont care who wins as long as its Norton at the finish line"
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: beezermacc on 02.10. 2017 22:01
I would advise against working on other people's bikes unless they are good friends and they work alongside you. I find that most people who know little about bikes think that everything gets sorted with a couple of flicks of a spanner. Generally they have no idea how long and how much expertise some fairly simple (in their minds) jobs take. Whenever I get involved with other people's bikes I nearly always regret it because the jobs take twice as long as I thought they would. However, I know I'm a miserable bugger so, If you feel benevolent and you just fancy a project which somebody else will benefit from more than you, go ahead!
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Black Sheep on 02.10. 2017 22:33
If you are going to contemplate tackling this bike, take a long, hard look at it. It could be it needs simple recommissioning but it could need a complete rebuild. Even a simple recommissioning can be anything but simple.
Owners also expect not to spend any money on parts or your time.
A few years ago I undertook to fix my son's Norton 88 following a blow up on the autobahn. It eventually needed everything from front brake to rear brake and everything in between rebuilt. It took me 2 years of spare time and used a good chunk of my spares stash and the sad fact is he hasn't ridden it since. Hmm.
At the outset state how much you charge an hour. Make it realistic and see what the reaction is.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Sluggo on 02.10. 2017 23:01
Sludge trap! Sludge trap! Sludge trap! (Just say'n)

Familiar with Shipwrights disease?  (Aka in military circles as "Mission Creep")

Check out this lads youtube series, (He is in our Norton club) and here is what you can expect from any vintage twin with unknown history.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r2CVzzLaJc&t=860s

Norton Atlas Project – Shep – Engine Disassembly - Part 15 Conrods & Sludge Trap

" Published on Jan 9, 2017
Took advantage of a cold and snowy Sunday and spent some time in the garage splitting the crank assembly. Seeing what’s inside the sludge trap made the whole disassembly worthwhile. The cheeks came off without too much trouble and revealed a LOT of sludge in the trap. "
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 02.10. 2017 23:07
When he was admiring my Plungie I told him I spent near enough £4K restoring it so he knows this project is likely to be expensive. I will ask him if I can see the Notrun, (correct name in this instance!). I need to know if he sees the machine as a possibly valuable asset to flog or he wants to keep and ride it or a bit of both.


The idea of working on a different motorbike excites me a bit. It's a pity I don't have a large garage like I had at our previous address.


I may find myself in a position to buy the machine if he doesn't want to invest in it.


Anyway, the next sensible step will be to have look at the beast.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 02.10. 2017 23:13
Sludge trap! Sludge trap! Sludge trap! (Just say'n)

Familiar with Shipwrights disease?  (Aka in military circles as "Mission Creep"


Oh yes! I discovered that problem when I had decided to just get my A10 going...one thing leads to another, etc.


I know about sludge traps as well.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: jachenbach on 03.10. 2017 14:48
If you truly enjoy it, go for it. I work on other's bikes as I feel like it. Shop rates here are around $80/hour US and I charge $50/hour (helps pay for my own bike parts). Noone else within 300 miles will work on an old (or new) Guzzi. I pick and choose the jobs I'll do. Older bikes may take quite a while as life interferes with working on them. My customers have just been grateful for someone to work on them. The current V50 has been here for over 2 months due to illness and other obligations, but the owner is totally understanding. Long as the owner understands you're doing this as a FAVOR and hobby, not a full time job, it seems to work out fine.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: coater87 on 06.10. 2017 22:43
 GB,

 My not long winded advice is if the bike interests you, buy it outright.

 Working on someone else's stuff very quickly goes from fun, to frustrating, to losing a friend or putting your own money in just to get the damn thing gone.

 Lee
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: duTch on 07.10. 2017 05:44

 
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...Working on someone else's stuff very quickly goes from fun, to frustrating, to losing a friend or putting your own money in just to get the damn thing gone....

 ... or maybe not receiving important mail  *eek*
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Tomcat on 07.10. 2017 07:35
GB,

 My not long winded advice is if the bike interests you, buy it outright.

 Working on someone else's stuff very quickly goes from fun, to frustrating, to losing a friend or putting your own money in just to get the damn thing gone.

 Lee




Lee, IMHO this is the best answer to GB's question.  ;)
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Topdad on 09.10. 2017 15:58
how you getting on with this GB decided yet ? *dunno*
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 09.10. 2017 16:55
how you getting on with this GB decided yet ? *dunno*
Hi Topdad. Thanks for asking. I haven't seen the postie for a while. When I do I'll ask if I can see the bike. If it looks worth having I may try and persuade him to sell it to me. This may be a preferable option to him. However, I will need to be happy about the price; I'm on a pension now luckily with some savings so 'Er Indoors' will have to be persuaded to the value of the transaction. If I see the machine I'll take some pictures and may come here to ask advice on an offer price.
I still have not decided whether it makes sense for me to restore the bike. If I had more room I'd be happier about the job but my own A10 will have to live outside under a cover while I work on the Dommie.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: dave55 on 09.10. 2017 18:30
Gb does the postie live near enough for you to maybe do the work with him in HIS garage and you pop round and help him do some of the crappy bits with guidance then you could say we need you to order these bits from this place and him pay for them, when he gets them you go round again, maybe he pays you for your time per hour at the end of each week ? then if he don't pay you do no more work till he does ? Just an idea like  :! ..........I would not put my pride and joy bike such as yours is out under a cover over the winter for his to be in bits with him maybe giving excuses that he cant afford the bits right now so it does not progress !
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 09.10. 2017 18:56
Good points dave55. I don't know where the Norton is yet and I have no idea what condition it's in. I will make some decisions when and if I get to see the bike. Yes, the bike may be in a lovely dry garage that is suitable for the work.
I don't get an impression of someone who can do mechanicals from the postie
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Joolstacho on 09.10. 2017 23:44
Mate, you DEFINITELY need a bigger shed!  ;)
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: mikeb on 10.10. 2017 04:59
I'm fully with dave55 on this. help him fix it in his shed so its clear whose problem it is. best way for him to get mechanical is with a spanner in his hand and an old bike.
you are much more generous that me if you'd consider putting your a10 outside as winter approaches.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 10.10. 2017 09:20
...best way for him to get mechanical is with a spanner in his hand and an old bike.
Hmm, maybe. I'm not sure you can just pick up manual skills if you don't already have them.


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you are much more generous that me if you'd consider putting your a10 outside as winter approaches.
We are going to be putting up a carport so the A10 would be under a cover and a roof.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 10.10. 2017 09:27
Mate, you DEFINITELY need a bigger shed!  ;)
The only way that could happen is by nicking some of my wife's pride and joy; the garden; so I can forget that thought. We moved to this house three years ago and had to generally downsize. I guess I could do her in and bury her under a new garage base. I'll give that some thinks.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: KiwiGF on 10.10. 2017 09:35
Mate, you DEFINITELY need a bigger shed!  ;)
I guess I could do her in and bury her under a new garage base. I'll give that some thinks.

Tut tut, prob best to keep that one secret !
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Topdad on 10.10. 2017 10:22
hi GB , last resort - do you have a patio ??
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: mikeb on 10.10. 2017 10:30
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I'm not sure you can just pick up manual skills if you don't already have them.
none of us were born knowing how. I'm still learning. if he's less than 85, without a brain injury and up for it then what could possibly go wrong? *eek*
(don't answer that)
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 10.10. 2017 10:47
hi GB , last resort - do you have a patio ??
No patio as such. The area in front of my shed, and the front door is block paved. I'm going to put a carport over the area. If I have the Norton in my shed my Beeza would have a cover and be under the carport.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Rex on 10.10. 2017 12:50
I wouldn't work on it in his shed....that's costing you time and money, but I wouldn't advise working on his bike in your shed either...."you spent how much on that special nut? That's more than my dad paid for the bike...etc etc ".
Buying it may be best, but even then, do you really want a Norton to do up, or just because it came along?
Pro rebuilders struggle with tight-fisted owners, let alone enthusiastic well-meaning amateurs.. ;)
Personally I'd buy it for the right price, and if not there's plenty more out there.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Topdad on 10.10. 2017 15:40
Sorry GB obviously never a "Brookside" fan , *whistle*
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 10.10. 2017 16:26
Sorry GB obviously never a "Brookside" fan , *whistle*


TD, I think I know the reference. Brookside is or was a UK soap. Someone was murdered and buried under the garage/shed/building. Right?
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: chaterlea25 on 10.10. 2017 19:46
Hi GB,
I work on other peoples bikes and in most cases I work on blocks of 10 hours labour,
So after initial examination/ strip down/ what ever, I prepare a list of parts required and a labour estimate for the owner
I ask for payment for the labour so far and hand the parts list to the owner, Its up to them to spend the time on the internet or phone to order the parts. If they ask for me to do this its charged out at the hourly rate, and money for the parts in advance of the order
Projects can often stall at this stage due to the owners needing to get a dose of reality about the costs involved

Likewise I ask the owners to spend time cleaning shitty parts and do the running around to blasters/painters and so on
In most cases owners are happy to pay this way as there is no major shock to their finances  *ex*

I have told people to part out their projects and buy a completed bike as it will save them money in the long run  *eek*
But most have some sentimental (real or imaginary)reason to want to proceed  *conf2*

John

Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 10.10. 2017 20:57
CL25, very good advice, thanks.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: dave55 on 10.10. 2017 21:16
Also .....Insurance springs to mind, would your bike be covered if left outside............would your insurance cover you if his got nicked from your shed and owner wants paying for it ? *eek*
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Greybeard on 10.10. 2017 21:19
dave55, insurance hadn't occurred to me; bugger!
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Sluggo on 10.10. 2017 21:45

I have told people to part out their projects and buy a completed bike as it will save them money in the long run  *eek*
But most have some sentimental (real or imaginary)reason to want to proceed  *conf2*

John

I agree with everything you said except for the quote above,  Progress payments are standard in the vintage bike repair and resto trade.  Have everything in writing!   It may seem over the top to do that, but believe me, down the road you will be glad you did if things go bad.  MAKE the owner sign the repair order, estimates and or billings.  This clears you if a dispute arises later.
A reasonable explanation about WHY should be acceptable and if not run, dont walk away as you just dodged a bullet.
If the person is fair they actually SHOULD appreciate your diligence and professionalism and I am famous for having "Good Buddy" deals go south so I speak from experience.

Now,,, the above statement about parting out a classic,    NO , NO NO Nein, Nyet, Yok!, NEVER, NO NO NO NO!

There are literally TONS and TONS of orphan parts out there, DO NOT PART OUT a Classic under any circumstances!  Numbers matching or factory matched bikes are fewer and fewer, and It drives me literally mad to have collected parts for 10-15 and 20 years to restore or rebuild a basket case only to see some F**King Idiot parting out a better example on ebay.  Way too many idiots doing that.  I have bought up barns full of old bikes to save them from scrappers and fly by night ebay flippers who just want to part them out in the misguided notion they make more than selling it as a whole project or basket case.

Unless its a late model Ducati,,, those bring serious coin even down to the screws and hardware.   Some morons rationalize they are doing the community a favor by providing parts.  BULL PUCKEY!  I can point you right now to warehouses FULL of parts,, I have 3 40 foot shipping containers packed full right here.  (I did NOT part out those bikes and been BUILDING those parts INTO bikes.

If you cant manage the project then sell it on to another true enthusiast who will, But dont part out classics.

and if someone needs to see a spread sheet on why parting out a classic does not add up, let me know.

Math,, its Brutal.

Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Black Sheep on 10.10. 2017 22:47
Ah yes, my pet hate. In the publication Real Classic there is a contributor who goes by the name of Odgie who happily takes  good, standard classic bikes and strips and hacks them into varieties of ratbike, selling the standard bits on eBay. Now, if he were to take orphaned bits and build a ratbike fair enough, but a good, unmnolested standard machine? I fear I will not be renewing my subscription. End of rant.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Sluggo on 10.10. 2017 23:10
Ah good, at least someone agrees.  I know of 2 local shops that back in the day were known to swap out good parts on your bike in for service for poor quality repops, Certain Lucas lenses are still hard to source and your bike would come back with a generic copy.  Same with other stuff.  One of the guys also did a lot of HD stuff and karma killed him dead.  A grinding wheel exploded in his shop and pierced his heart. Initially the investigation was gunshot.  The list of suspects encompassed most of the MC community so the cops were relieved it was death by misfortune.  Cant say anyone misses that pr*ck.(nary a tear was shed)

There is currently a 57 BSA being parted by a guy in Texas, shame as it looked like it might have been a nice bike.  Theres a lot of ebay sellers parting classics as well.  I got yelled at by some of the members when I pointed out a Norton P11 being parted out on another forum.  Those are far too rare to part out.

I have saved a number of bikes from chopper-dom as well, traded them well over the value to save them.  My 1966 T120C Triumph was simarily saved. I was upfront with the owner of how rare and valuable it was. He was happy to trade. (Win-win) Also my 1965 TR6SC same deal. 

We have a local guy known as "Trader Dave" and his son TD jr,, known as "Killer of cool bikes"  that guy has NEVER completed a project except to slap something together to sell. Most of the time just parts them out.
It is depressing to see him at a swap meet (Auto jumble) buying up parts and before I even arrive home he has the same parts at grossly inflated prices on ebay.  Nothing wrong with capitalism, but to troll a local swap meet for ebay merchandise at gross markups is sketchy at best and considered bad taste.

I will admit to material needs myself,, but I draw a serious line about certain conduct.  Trader Dave is so well known theres dozens of stories about him locally but one of the most telling is the local BMW Airheads barley therapy group who took a vote and said he should be killed and buried. None of them would ever actually follow thru, but the concept that SOMEONE should was passed without objection.

"Killer of cool bikes!"  Many lament they wished he would just get into real estate or Beanie Babies.  Sorry,, rant mode now off. carry on.

Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: coater87 on 10.10. 2017 23:28
 Speaking of this,

 I no longer see M.B.Transits on E-Bay.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: dave55 on 11.10. 2017 09:02
Hes still there coater, looks to have changed his user name recently to Classic Brit Parts or something similar, you will recognise his adds when you see the price  *eek*
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: chaterlea25 on 11.10. 2017 11:54
Hi All,
Nowhere did I suggest parting out matching number original bikes

The "things" I suggested to part out could not be described as "classics" or were in any way original
Best description would be POS  *ex*

I have spent the last 13 years tracking down and in some cases going to extraordinary lengths to replicate damaged
and missing parts for the project that I take my user name from on here and other forums

In most cases nowadays  my work is repairing and making /modifying parts for other peoples restoration projects
Its much more mentally rewarding to be able to turn around smaller mini projects in a shorter time frame
Having complete restoration projects sitting around for long periods is head wrecking *problem*

John
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Rex on 11.10. 2017 15:05
Ah yes, my pet hate. In the publication Real Classic there is a contributor who goes by the name of Odgie who happily takes  good, standard classic bikes and strips and hacks them into varieties of ratbike, selling the standard bits on eBay. Now, if he were to take orphaned bits and build a ratbike fair enough, but a good, unmnolested standard machine? I fear I will not be renewing my subscription. End of rant.

He's a weird one alright. On FB he started ranting at me as I said I didn't like some new H*nda factory custom (it was the subject under discussion) and how I was stuck in some rivet-counters time-warp etc etc. All tripe, I just didn't like that bike, or indeed the tripe he serves up generally.
He's muellering the Be-Jesus out of some poor A65 at the moment....
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Butch (cb) on 11.10. 2017 17:23
Ah yes, my pet hate. In the publication Real Classic there is a contributor who goes by the name of Odgie who happily takes  good, standard classic bikes and strips and hacks them into varieties of ratbike, selling the standard bits on eBay. Now, if he were to take orphaned bits and build a ratbike fair enough, but a good, unmnolested standard machine? I fear I will not be renewing my subscription. End of rant.

He's a weird one alright. On FB he started ranting at me as I said I didn't like some new H*nda factory custom (it was the subject under discussion) and how I was stuck in some rivet-counters time-warp etc etc. All tripe, I just didn't like that bike, or indeed the tripe he serves up generally.
He's muellering the Be-Jesus out of some poor A65 at the moment....

I presume that it is this bloke ...? I'd not heard of him before.

http://www.odgie.com/
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Sluggo on 11.10. 2017 21:51
I had never heard of him either, and quite sure he has never heard of me.  But that was an interesting site.
Entertaining but seems he managed to race a lot and interesting history.  But repeatedly advocates the benefit of sniffing glue so that explains a great deal.
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Black Sheep on 11.10. 2017 22:19
That's the one. He repeatedly sacrifices safety for style (in my opinion). I have written to Real Classic with my concerns and indeed they published my letter - but no response from Odgie. However in the latest issue when there were some very pointed comments about, putting it politely, unadventurous and conservative motorcyclists who should read no further. That would be me I reckon. Each to their own I suppose.     
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: Sluggo on 11.10. 2017 22:46
Trust me you are not the first to complain or point out that guys issues. I am certain he has been hearing it all his life and actually thrives on doing what aggravates others.

Never met the guy or heard of him before know but have known a lot of others just like him.
In fair disclosure I have at times been a wee bit over the top myself.  When I think people are a bit too conservative I have (Ahem,,, *dunno*) been known to poke the bear as they say.
I try to reign it in but some people are too stodgy NOT to have some fun riling them up.

But let me give you an example of a local guy who strongly resembles your Odgie over there.  I used to be good friends with this local version (Jeff K) but after a while he became so unhinged and irrational it went from being entertaining and fun to be genuinely painful and unpleasant.

Jeff K was in our Norton club and the most decidedly unconventional.  Openly challenging any sort of authority, advocated anarchy and was just generally weird.   All sorts of pranks and adventures but the one I found most amusing is we have one guy who is wound so tight he is off the charts controlling, OCD and generally unpleasant. He does have some talents and skills but of course no one can compare or is as superior as he is.  So one day (Ill call him G).  G rants about Jeffs bike which of course is ratty, leaks oil and is a rat bike.  This is a regular thing and he complains about it for even existing.   Jeff one day went out to a fabric store and purchased Tartan plaid fabric and some contact adhesive.   He covered the bikes fenders, tank and side covers in this plaid.  Looked kinda cool in many peoples opinion.

So then Jeff makes a point of parking RIGHT next to Gs immaculate Norton of course which just enrages G.  Everyone has a good laugh of course.  The more angry G got, the more Jeff enjoyed it.   Some years back on Brit Iron there is a guy who works in Japan and while visiting here in the US as well as riding his motorcycle he rarely gets to enjoy he went on a outing with our club.  He wrote on Brit Iron about this scruffy madman who rode like a lunatic on a Tartan plaid norton while smoking some funny cigarettes clenched in his jaw while at speed.  He said between the oil smoke and the smell of that wacky tobaccy it was quite an experience.   We all knew exactly who he was talking about.  (Jeff rolled his own ciggys and they were 50% tobacco and 50% medical grade pot). 

So, yep,, I know that type quite well. Complaining about them does no good.  Look up
"Oppositional defiance" 
Title: Re: Advice please - Norton Dominator
Post by: coater87 on 13.10. 2017 00:48
 Huh,

 That guy has been wrecking bikes for a long time.