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Title: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 19.10. 2017 18:47
https://goo.gl/bcBviy

I used to have a rigid frame one of those, in a similar condition. Sold it for £60 plus a running A10 plunger, (that I still have).

Tell me what you think this baby will go for.
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: a10gf on 19.10. 2017 20:49
Surely 12,397.50 *smile*
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: RichardL on 19.10. 2017 22:11
10,200 GBP

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16253/lot/272/
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 19.10. 2017 23:06
10,200 GBP

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16253/lot/272/ (http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16253/lot/272/)
Lovely! Can't believe I let one slip through my fingers.
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: orabanda on 20.10. 2017 00:09
I am restoring a rigid framed 1938 4G at the moment (in red).

One of 1,400 made in that year.

A total of approx 15,000 square fours were made (in all versions) between 1931 - 1959.

Richard
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: RichardL on 20.10. 2017 01:35
Oh! I didn't notice the Bonhams sale was in 2008. I'm upping my estimate just a little to  10,700 GBP.  Trust me, I have little clue of the real value, but it's fun to play the game.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 20.10. 2017 09:17
A total of approx 15,000 square fours were made (in all versions) between 1931 - 1959.
Pretty successful then. I imagine most were hauling sidecars. Early on there were overhead cam engines, 500, 600 & 1000 cc
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: orabanda on 20.10. 2017 09:34
This is a 1938 4G (1000cc) in top class nick.

Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 20.10. 2017 09:40
This is a 1938 4G (1000cc) in top class nick.
*loveit* *dribble*
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: duTch on 20.10. 2017 09:41
 The way i read it was the OHC 500 was the early idea,  but revised and…released as the 997 whatever OHV ... *dunno*

 An ex-work buddy who I haven't seen for a couple of years has a few (7 or 8 ) that I've seen,  but think he has maybe 15 or so... not sure which models though.
 Did a trip up the coast a few years ago with him and was a pleasure to ride behind

Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Topdad on 20.10. 2017 10:42
I owned a 4 piper in 1966 ,sold it for ,I think £25 after I'd replaced head gaskets and got it running but I couldn't get it down the jigger into our backyard  and I ran foul of the fuzz so it had to go ,quite like it ,so smooth !
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: coater87 on 20.10. 2017 10:53
 If it was my next door neighbors bike, I would give him 13,350 pounds for it and push it into my garage. I may be a bit low, but it needs a few hard to find (I imagine) parts.

 Lee
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 20.10. 2017 11:03
The way i read it was the OHC 500 was the early idea,  but revised and…released as the 997 whatever OHV ... *dunno*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Square_Four (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Square_Four)
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An ex-work buddy who I haven't seen for a couple of years has a few (7 or 8 ) that I've seen,  but think he has maybe 15 or so...
That's just greedy. Tell him your mates on this forum should have a few of them.
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: orabanda on 20.10. 2017 11:41
More eye candy; I trust that the forum will be tolerant, given that Ariel Motors was owned by BSA!
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: coater87 on 20.10. 2017 11:48
 Here is an off the wall question.

 What type of treatment was given to hardware back then by companies like Ariel?

 I believe early harley used tinning, parkerising, maybe nickle, and certainly plane old paint- I am not sure on some of those.

 I dont think Cadmium became huge until WW2. *conf*

 Lee
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: RichardL on 20.10. 2017 13:10
A lot of comments, but few in the game. GB asked for guesses of the sale price. C'mon.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: orabanda on 20.10. 2017 13:40
15,000 pounds
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 20.10. 2017 13:49
... I trust that the forum will be tolerant, given that Ariel Motors was owned by BSA!
Almost anything is OK in 'Off Topic'
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: tinu on 20.10. 2017 16:32
...12k £...
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: PaulC on 20.10. 2017 16:51
£12,500 + £5k to get it running properly
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: a10gf on 20.10. 2017 17:13
... I trust that the forum will be tolerant, given that Ariel Motors was owned by BSA!
Almost anything is OK in 'Off Topic'

Indeed, and there's the 'members only' board. Free to use, and anytime some discussion in the the tech boards drifts away from original topic, move it over here *smile*

(this section 'saves' the tech board's content, making posts there concentrate on actual topics and, imo, thus giving those boards\topics readability, quality, high level of informational value).
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: bsa-bill on 20.10. 2017 19:10
trust it will be a square deal - BOOM BOOM
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: a10gf on 22.10. 2017 18:43
1 h 40 left, a final bid frenzy coming up ?
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: bsa-bill on 22.10. 2017 19:37
perhaps not, stuck on 8 grand with less than an hour to go and two separate bids over over 8 grand retracted a few days ago, someone know something we don't  ???
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: coater87 on 22.10. 2017 22:04
Sold, but not to me.

 If I understand right, the numbers were in question and also a plunger frame might have been wrong for a 38.

 I didn't feel comfortable putting that much into something I know so little about.

Lee
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 23.10. 2017 09:15
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...also a plunger frame might have been wrong for a 38...
The '39 model I owned had a rigid frame. I imagined there may have been an option for plungers.
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Greybeard on 23.10. 2017 13:15

This makes the first one look cheap!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1931-Ariel-Square-Four-4F-OHC-Orig-No-Pre-War-Vintage-Ultra-Rare-Girder-Bike/132259972634?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D46150%26meid%3Df78bf84fa58549318ce1df2c91da34c5%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D172923044264&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1931-Ariel-Square-Four-4F-OHC-Orig-No-Pre-War-Vintage-Ultra-Rare-Girder-Bike/132259972634?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D46150%26meid%3Df78bf84fa58549318ce1df2c91da34c5%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D172923044264&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850)
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Rex on 23.10. 2017 15:41
If I hadn't bought the A7 and another project recently I would have bought that bike, and for £8100 the buyer got an absolute steal.
Lucky sod!
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: chaterlea25 on 28.10. 2018 22:36
Hi Lee and All,
Here is a link to another square 4 project Starting price NTB?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARIEL-SQUARE-FOUR-1000CC-MOTORCYCLE-Barn-find-1937-with-log-book/202478562350?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

John
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: coater87 on 29.10. 2018 18:45
 WOW! *eek*

 I have heard about very pricey antique cars being brought back from that depth of rot, but its not for me.

 Thats not the "dry" kind of rust, but the deep tin foil thin metal kind if you know what I mean. That bike has been wet constantly for a long, long time. I know this kind of rust because I have to guard against it in my own shed.

 I dont believe there will be a bid on this at that starting price. *sad2*

 Lee
Title: Re: Give me your estimate for what this bike will go for
Post by: Rex on 29.10. 2018 21:21
It looks far worse than it is, in my opinion. Had it not been messed-with (tele forks rather than girders, silly hi-level pipes, seat and clocks) I would have been severely tempted.
Someone will buy it and have a nice long-term project.