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Title: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: spanersc on 24.09. 2018 20:27
Hi All. At long last, I have managed to purchase a Super Flash project bike that's been imported from the States. Since my wanted ad on the forum in 2009, its taken me until now to get hold of one. In the past 8 years I've only heard of 2 others and 2 bare frames being for sale.
Its a 'matching' numbers bike with most of the important/unique parts however I do need to source the rear guard and stays amonst the more common parts that are absent.  There seems to be very little info to be found on these rare bikes and the parts that are unique to this model seem highly sought after. (unless any of our members happen to know of anything that might help)
I have noticed that the triplex clutch basket (that doesn't feature in the Super flash parts listing) is totally worn out, any ideas?
Please see attached photo
Regards, Pete
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: KiwiGF on 24.09. 2018 21:37
Hi All. At long last, I have managed to purchase a Super Flash project bike that's been imported from the States. Since my wanted ad on the forum in 2009, its taken me until now to get hold of one. In the past 8 years I've only heard of 2 others and 2 bare frames being for sale.
Its a 'matching' numbers bike with most of the important/unique parts however I do need to source the rear guard and stays amonst the more common parts that are absent.  There seems to be very little info to be found on these rare bikes and the parts that are unique to this model seem highly sought after. (unless any of our members happen to know of anything that might help)
I have noticed that the triplex clutch basket (that doesn't feature in the Super flash parts listing) is totally worn out, any ideas?
Please see attached photo
Regards, Pete

Well done for your perseverance!

I can’t really help with the triplex basket, I had to replace the sprocket on a brake drum for my b31 rigid and had to increase the number of teeth (42 to 46) in order to get a strong enough “sprocket ring” (machined from a blank sprocket) to TIG weld to the drum (TIG to keep heat down and teeth hardened).

 I guess if you machine off the existing teeth then weld or braze on some plain rings in a suitable material, new teeth (same number) could then be machined into the plain rings ? Maybe by CNC machine? It’s going to be expensive I reckon..... *help*

Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Greybeard on 24.09. 2018 23:52
Is it possible that the duplex set would fit?
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: a on 25.09. 2018 02:04
https://mikesclassiccyclespares.com/home/shop/?product_cat=&post_type=product&s=super+flash
Congrats, there is a few kicking around... We have two of them here, and know of another guy restoring 2 in the US that we sell parts to. As for the Triplex clutch stuff we have a bit, and could have more on its way in a 40' Container in the coming weeks....
(https://mikesclassiccyclespares.com/wp-content/gallery/home-images/DSCF4341.JPG)
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: a on 25.09. 2018 02:40
We are also about to do another run of rear stays of these. We have an order for 2 sets, and could make another (as can be seen on the green bike) if you needed.
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Sluggo on 25.09. 2018 08:25
If in fact your brother is Mike in BC Canada, then he visited me here in Oregon.  I showed him some of my BSAs and piles of junk.  I have a early plunger golden flash along with the parts I have to make a " Hot Flash".

He kept going on & on about the triplex chain and I tried explaining I have seen a few and in my opinion,
(Which could be wrong) The triplex chain setup is not that unusual.  He insisted it was but what stopped him in his tracks was my bike sitting here, has a triplex chain setup.
I have sold a lot of parts when I had my shop, and can tell you I got a number of requests for parts from these semi unit bikes, Here what people want, to convert a Harley 45 to a British transmission. 
A) BSA semi unit mainshaft.
B) BSA Triplex clutch setup OR, Norton Commando
C) BSA later PU Gearbox & Some other British bikes parts, I can call some people to refresh my memory, but its well known

(The HDs are very limited with their 3 speeds on the HD flatheads, so very popular to switch to a British 4 speed tranny and BSA is a common swap.  The 3 row chain setup lines up and works with the HD engine.)

Any rate,,, if its hard to get parts for why not upgrade primaries?  Many people switch to the Triumph clutch baskets, or better yet put a belt drive setup on there and be done with it??  Several vendors offer belt drive kits and while I have yet to run any on a BSA, I can say from most Nortons and Triumphs I have fitted them too its a massive improvement, Elements the oil leak and sticking clutch issues, weighs less so less wear and tear as well as a noticeable boost in power.
Once the primary cover is on no one is the wiser.

Congrats on finding a bike!

EDIT: I confused posters, and now see you and Mike from BCs Brother are 2 different people, My bad! Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Beeza on 25.09. 2018 10:28
Hi Pete, I picked up a rear guard from Nick Simpson, Porlock, Somerset, UK (from memory, a while ago) he had 2 at the time, and I don't have his contact details, but its a start.
I also have the full set of the rear guard stays & brackets I got from Mikes in QLD, well worth a phone call.
Do you have the oil tank for your super flash? that is probably the hardest part to find, not counting the frame/engine.
It will be nice to see your progress, I plan on starting my Super Flash resto early next year.

Cheers Thomas
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: bikerjohndavies on 25.09. 2018 10:58
Hi Pete, I would also like to add my congratulations on finding a SF! I also have a hankering for one which my brother, Mike, in Canada is aware of and is keeping his eyes open. It was him who visited Sluggo recently. Well done again, John
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: spanersc on 25.09. 2018 20:50
Hi All and thanks for the comments.  I do have the oil tank however it has had a hard life, the top and btm mountings have both worn away and have been crudely repaired, as if the tank has been loose for a long time and the fixed nut on the top face has been pulled out, so it needs a bit of work but it is a starting point. On the clutch front (perhaps I need to start a new thread for this) the outer (main) section with the triplex sprocket looks ok but the inner basket, that's riveted to the outer, is so worn and chewed up. I'm thinking, is it possible to drill out the rivets and remove this part and perhaps re-rivet another in, as it appears to be the same as the standard plunger item? Has anyone tried this?
I'm not in a position to get going straight away with this project but will try and source all the missing parts and do a 'dry build' and at that point, hopefully be able to obtain a UK registration (which does state that the bike must be roadworthy!!! hmmm) And then to set about the full restoration. I will post details of progress as it plods along. Regards. Pete
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: spanersc on 25.09. 2018 20:59
Hi Brett.
I've sent you a PM ref the rear stays. Thanks
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: bl**dydrivers on 07.10. 2018 20:21
Congratulations on your find, most of all we all have respect for your patience and eventually finding the motorcycle of your dreams!
For sure post a thread and keep us up to date with the restoration.
Allot of great chaps on here, everyone will try to help in every step of the restoration and some may even help you finding the parts required.
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Bsalloyd on 13.11. 2018 21:03
Pete, Nice find. I have one that I completed around 10 years ago. Me and a couple of others had to do a lot of researching to get the information to rebuild our bikes. I think you probably have the special parts list for the SF. If not let me know and I will send you a copy. Listed below are some of the parts unique to the Super Flash:
Frame
fuel tank
oil tank
battery platform
rear number plate (same as the 1954 Bantam Competition) 90-6797
Rear mudguard and all associated brackets and braces
Smith's speedo 120 MPH SC608/11/L
Smith's tach   RC83 0-8000 RPM CW 2 to 1 ratio

There may be others. These are the only ones that come to mind.
                     Good luck on you build, Lloyd
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: spanersc on 15.11. 2018 22:17
Hi Lloyd.
I've sent you a pm and wow, what a great bike!  any chance of posting a photo showing the other side?  Regards, Peter
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Bsalloyd on 16.11. 2018 04:42
I replied to your PM. Here is the left side. There are 18 other photos. Lloyd
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Bsalloyd on 18.11. 2018 18:25
Pete, I forgot to tell you the horn mounting bracket is Lucas part number 703185. If you go to the Taff the Horn web site and scroll down he has a photo of it shown. It is shown as fitting to a Royal Enfield. That bracket bolts to the lower oil tank stud. Lloyd
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: bikerjohndavies on 09.02. 2019 14:20
Well Pete, as you said 'Patience and perseverance' is needed when looking for a Super Flash and after many years of hankering for one I have at last got one in my shed, well my daughters garage at the moment as I have no room here until I sell one of the current stable.

Having had a good look over her and the boxes of bits that came with her the only parts that I think need to be found are a correct rear number plate, which is the same as a 1955 Bantam competition model, and the chrome extension. If anybody knows of where to get the chrome extension then that would be wonderful.

Here is a picture of her and one of the rear number plate of a restored SF showing the chrome extension.
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Beeza on 10.02. 2019 09:12
Hi BJD, wow that looks like an absolute ripper, I hope you can move this up the line sooner rather than later.
Your bike looks to be very complete and original, well done.
The tail light extension piece is reasonably common for USA west coast BSA's, and the number plate brackets do appear from time to time in the usual swaps/auctions.
Cheers Thomas
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: bikerjohndavies on 16.02. 2019 19:12
Following my request for the rear light extension to fit my Super Flash, I have been told that they were only fitted to East Coast USA bikes but I am not sure. As mine was dispatched to Deeleys in Vancouver, Canada I would like to find out what she would have been fitted with originally?  I also now have seen a picture of one that was on eBay in the USA last month showing that it was a complete unit with a Lucas 525 lens so now I know what I am looking for if it is needed.
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 12.03. 2019 03:52
Rule of thumb is where there was a USA only model then Canada got the USA and not the general export version.
From the catalogues it appears that where there was an East Coast & West Coast variation, Canada got the East Coast variant .
The extension was standard fitment to West Coast bikes as it was law in California and a couple of adjoining states that just copied Californian regulations.

The other thing to remember is people change parts either because they break or because they liked the look of the "wrong" part more.
Unless your bike was a one owner bike it could have been registered to 20 different people in 20 different states between the time it left the factory & the time you got your hands on it.
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: a on 12.03. 2019 04:38
Have them here too
https://mikesclassiccyclespares.com/product/bsa-lucas-tail-light-extension-housing-used/
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: spanersc on 13.03. 2019 06:51
John. Well done, you know it makes sense.
 Your project seems to have many advantages over my starting point and the more original parts that you have, the easier it will be.
I, to, are of the opinion that the rear light extension was only fitted to the 'west coast' model to comply with the regulation that the rear light must be at the very back of the bike. All of the European models that I have seen pictures of (Quite a few were sold in Europe towards the end, when they were getting harder to sell in the US)  do not have this part fitted, (in fact 5 times as many Super Flashes were sold in France as Rocket Gold Stars!!!!)
Anyway, its good to see another S/F reside in the UK, we will soon qualify for our own 'sub section'  Pete
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: bikerjohndavies on 13.03. 2019 07:49
Hi Pete,
Yes I have ordered it from Mike. I am still not sure how many had the extension fitted. Mine was dispatched to Deeley's of Vancouver so was West Coast Canada therefore may have been fitted. I also have an article in the January 2003 issue of The Classic Motor Cycle that is about a Super Flash in Belgium which was shipped to the Belgium and French dealer Franco in May 53. The pictures in the article show it with the extension. The owner at that time was Andre d' Exelle who admits it may not be as shipped as it had a larger 4.5 gallon tank when found in a barn in the early 1980's in a sorry state. It could have also been the case that he added the extension during the restoration so who knows.
John
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Sluggo on 13.03. 2019 09:58
I find the extensions slightly odd, Does anyone know WHY they were added?  I dont recall ever seeing them before and without this discussion would have assumed they were a customizing detail.

Its interesting that in 1969 and 1970 Extensions were added to Triumph and BSA twins and my understanding was to make them more visible to some obscure California lighting law or something.  But its noticable on restorations how many get that detail right or wrong, But it makes me wonder whats up with these back in the day when the Super flash existed.

I Have a collection of the West coast importers service notes and bulletins from Hap Alzina, and I used to reprint these and peddle on ebay. I know Mike Reilly bought a set from me many years ago so I know he has a set of these as well. Id have to reread them but I have no recollection of them being mentioned in them and if it was a west coast issue, I would expect there would have been mention in the material.
Any rate,, Congratulations on the bikes folks... super cool super flash!

Specialty trivia only a true BSA Nutter would even know about!
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Rocket Racer on 10.04. 2019 05:57
My understanding is the extensions were a legal necessity as the tail light had to be the furthest thing to the rear of the bike
Title: Re: Patience and perseverance. At last I've got a Super Flash
Post by: Rocket Racer on 10.04. 2019 05:58
I believe bob newby does a belt drive clutch that runs in the semiunit

just a thought, quieter, and more reliable