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Title: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 00:51
I've developed a crankcase-region noise I can't explain. I was at the gas station filling up with the bike at normal idle with normal idle sound. All of a sudden, "ERRRRRR" (kind'a loud), then back to normal. Rode home and tried to get the sound again. It took a while at normal running, then popped in for a little and back to about normal. The first video is the normal running, or at least without the "ERRRRR". the second video is short but captures a bit of the "ERRRRR", but doesn't seem as loud in the video as in person.  At first I thought it must be a dynamo bearing, because it's intermittent and not the clunking I had when I threw a rod bearing years ago.

Anyway, barring some revelation on my part or nail-on-the head diagnosis from one of you folk, I won't make it to the DGR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSWm36LmpOc

The sound is about 17 seconds into the following video, and very brief.

https://youtu.be/KmYRtrSCU7k

Any thoughts, maybe in time to fix it tonight. (Not stripping the engine tonight.)

Richard L.

Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: berger on 30.09. 2018 01:12
first of all I thought rocker starvation , then  I guess at little end, now after hearing second video it sounds like a ball race skidding---- in fact it sounds like my van clutch *shh* thrust race *problem*
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 01:17
Berger,

Thanks for checking out the videos.

If you read my post a little while earlier about uneven chain tension, you'll see that A10GF suggested I might have a bent shaft at the gearbox. Maybe that's a bad bearing, as well.

Richard L.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: berger on 30.09. 2018 01:27
I doubt the gearbox mainshaft will have more run out than 5thou{ mine had 3 thou} I thought mine was badly bent when I couldn't adjust my drive chain a long time ago{ mid 80's}. long story short it was a brand new gearbox sprocket causing the problem that had most probably found it's way onto the market from a scrap bin
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 01:42
I'm going to put a new video up in a few minutes and would appreciate opinions on it, as well. I removed the dynamo belt, so now running without dynamo. Sound may be gone. I noticed some roughness when trying to turn the dynamo shaft by hand. If it turns out to be this. I might be able to fix it tonight or ride without lights.

Richard L.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 01:53
Video with dynamo not spinning.

https://youtu.be/wwjsZoSIMKQ
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Post by: berger on 30.09. 2018 02:10
somthing sounds dry i'm knackered ,hope you get some answers and solution,  *sleepy*
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Post by: berger on 30.09. 2018 02:22
when it does it pull clutch in and see if it shuts up it might be small gearbox ball race *sleepy* gone!
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: coater87 on 30.09. 2018 02:25
 I dont hear that noise anymore.

 Did you happen to notice if one side of the dyno was too warm?

 I'd snap the lights on and bomb around the block quick, hope the noise is gone buddy!!!
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 02:31
I think it is the dynamo bearing. The shaft truns pretty rough compared to my barn-find spare. That bike has saved the day 10 times with emergency parts.

Richard L.
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Post by: muskrat on 30.09. 2018 05:50
G'day Richard.
If it disappeared after disconnecting the dynamo I'd fly without re connecting it.
Just got home from our run.
Cheers
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 09:20
By the way, I used the DGR post for the latest on my noise just because I thought that would be looked at right away. Anyway, it is DGR related, really. Feel free to answer noise questions here to keep the topic in order. Sorry.

Richard L.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 09:44
Maybe it just doesn't matter. Chicago is showing scattered thunderstorms all day. I don't want to get rained on in tweed and I'm just not experienced enough riding in rain to do it with hundreds of other riders around me. (Probably not the registered 650-ish riders, because many others will probably pass.)

Richard L.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: Greybeard on 30.09. 2018 13:36
Richard; sorry to hear you are having problems. I hope that noise was the dynamo and nothing worse.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RDfella on 30.09. 2018 16:54
Seems the dynamo is the problem, but have to say that noise wouldn't lead me in that direction. Worn bearings (ball, roller etc) rumble or, if dry, sometimes squeal, but that's more of a scraping sound. Odd.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: LJ. on 30.09. 2018 17:05
Disappointed for you Richard as I know how much you were looking forward to the run. Hope the fix is easy.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 30.09. 2018 17:07
I'm actually at the ride. Too stupid to explain right now. made it by 10 minutes, leaving in two.
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Post by: LJ. on 30.09. 2018 17:22
Brilliant! well done! Enjoy your ride and day, hope all goe's well. Look forward to reading your report later.
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Post by: Greybeard on 30.09. 2018 17:24
Too stupid to explain right now.
Come on Rich, fess-up!
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Post by: BigJim on 30.09. 2018 21:13
Hope all went well at the DGR today.
 *computer* *good3*
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RogerSB on 30.09. 2018 22:50
On a completely different tack to everyone else but it couldnt be something as simple as the rear chain being slack and clanking on the chainguard. Chain snatch when pulling away or a heavy hand at the throttle can cause any slack in the gearbox / primary chain adjuster to be taken up and pulling the gearbox back slightly with the consequence of tightening the primary chain and slackening the rear chain. (see my chain adjusting memo attached and the para in the box.

Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 01.10. 2018 03:38
Oh, boy! Telling all the messy details of yesterday's work on my bike to get ready for DGR would be an even more tedious story than the one I will tell now. I have to say, I borrowed the form of the topic title from GB, but about halfway through the work I thought I was being downright Greybeardian in my determination to get to the bottom of this and get the bike back together.

It all started because I wanted to change fork oil and adjust drive chain tension. After doing that in the early afternoon, I wanted to test the forks and top off fuel, so rode up to the gas station. That"s when I heard the annoying noise. 

A lot of this has already been said here, but the first mistake (I must now call it) was thinking the noise was coming from a dynamo bearing. Result: timing side cover off; dynamo out; disassembled; greased; tightened loose long screws (for a second, I thought the loose assembly of the dynamo was causing the armature to rub inside, but no). The upshot of all this dynamo tinkering is that it is no longer charging, as I discovered once out for the ride.  [I think the question has come up before if you can remove the dynamo with the belt-drive pulley attached. You cannot, because the pulley hits the inner timing side cover before you can wind out the dynamo. I have no puller to fit the pulley. I managed to span an Allen key behind the pulley with its ends landed on the cover, then whacked the end of the armature with a hammer (nut on, of course). In retrospect, this was probably dumb and inviting a broken primary cover, but desperation does tricks with the brain. Yes, next time the cover is off I'll inspect for damage. IDIOT!]

After all this, I figured I should check out Erling's thought that my drive chain problem was due to a bent gearbox shaft, so off with the primary-side cover. Clutch was running true with no apparent rubbing, but primary chain needed tightening. Like a dipsh*t, I forgot that the sliding plate bolts are designed to allow the sliding plate to, uhhh?, "slide" when adjusting the chain tension. So, I went through the hand contortions and acrobatics of loosening them (the bolts, not the hands) before adjusting chain tension (let's call that about 1/2-hour). Also, gave the clutch nuts 1/4-turn, for good measure.)

Now, all the covers (including the dynamo cover) back on, pedals back in place, ATF back in the primary (cool it, that's a different topic), a quick surface cleanup of the bike and pick up all-the-tools-in-the-world spread around the garage. (By the way, have you ever noticed how tools disappear in plain sight after 1:00 AM?) OK, so now it's 2:30 AM, how am I going to listen to the resulting work without the neighbors calling the police? Rode the bike back up to the gas station (it's just a little more than a mile and open 24/7). I let the bike idle as before and, sure as hell, the noise was still there. I pulled in the clutch and the noise went away. This is when I rode home and looked for help from the awake side of the world.

Stayed up until about 4:00 AM paying my overdue insurance premium and vehicle registration online, just in case I ended up going to the DGR. Went to bed figuring I wasn't going. Woke about 9:00 AM, depressed over the situation. Laid in bed watching TV and trying to figure out what was going on (on the bike, not the Ryder Cup). At 9:30 AM, 1-1/2 hours before the ride that's 45 minutes from home, a light in my head went on. Only those who have bothered reading this far get the payoff of "The Story of the Village Idiot." 

Turn back the clock six days. Atoll asks about the primary cover lug not working with the frame flange. I go out to check mine for confirmation and discover that my bolt is loose. Now, here's something I intentionally didn't say earlier in this story, because it fits my mindset of forgetting this point when undertaking the big disassembly. Before replacing the fork oil, I decided to tighten up that bolt. It was such a minor detail. The spacers as I had stacked them some time ago were still there, so what could go wrong. A lot, if the spacers aren't right. This was the thing I remembered at 9:30 this morning. "Do I have time to loosen the bolt, test the result, get dressed, yard and feed the dogs and tell the wife I'm going, all in time to be in Chicago by 11:00 AM." Well, I did make it there. and back.

Funny thing about this is this thing that was told to Atoll on 9/24:

I wonder, really not sure, if adding spacer thickness between crankcase and inner primary won't cause inner primary to interfere with the clutch basket (the inner primary may already be unusually close to the clutch basket). I guess I'm saying that a dose of diagnostics would inform the decision on the cure.

Richard L.

So, it seems the noise was the clutch basket hitting a sliding plate bolt (no connection to my loosening and tightening those pesky bolts). This said, I am keenly aware that the limit on incorrect diagnoses is not set at "1". In any case, this diagnosis was enough to let me go to the DGR and get home without trouble except, oh did I mention that I buggered the dynamo when messing around with it?.

Finally, my story of the DGR will be saved for a DGR topic.

Richard L.


Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: muskrat on 01.10. 2018 04:04
 *bash* *lol*
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: LJ. on 01.10. 2018 08:19
All together now.... Dohhhhh!

Thanks for that write up Richard, it shows that you are one dedicated and determined BSA A10 owner!
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Post by: berger on 01.10. 2018 12:51
richard *doh* *whistle* nice one all is well except dynamo *cry*
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: Greybeard on 01.10. 2018 14:10
Well Richard, I think you've gained the right to hold the Greybeardian cup!  I'll get it in the post asap.
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Post by: BigJim on 01.10. 2018 18:29
Thank you for a great post and honesty. Seems a very easy thing to do, could be one of my rattles!
 *bright idea* *bash* *countdown* *good3*
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: Sluggo on 01.10. 2018 21:01
been there, done that, thanks for the honesty.  I yell at my self and the wife does at me as well for procrastinating and poor time mgmt, and end up pulling all nighters to get to an event.  Good to see I am not the only one.
Before the Cannonball finale ride,  I let other things interfere and had to scramble to get a service done on the HD Sportster, And of course, things did not go to plan, but I did get it done and did the ride.  But all that drama, very little sleep and only 2 things fell off the bike I thought I did well considering.
So FFwd to DGR.  I had a veteran friend who is going thru some tough times and challenges and she kept asking for a MC ride, So I invited her to the DGR and only 1/2 expected her to show.
She surprised me by not only showing up but raised over a $100.  She was a bit scared and hesitant but had a great time.
I have a really nice Corbin gunfighter seat on the Sporty,, but with a passenger I needed something comfy for 2.  I had to scramble to find my dual seat and a sissy bar, Again, what SHOULD have been a simple task was challenging.   But pulled it off again... She has some medical issues as well and needed help getting on and off the bike (Bad knee and ankle),, and I was amazed she didnt complain about the seat and her butt.
But we had a great day and did some tourist stuff for her, So she was really happy.  Bike worked out and our event was great.
So, my goal is next year to have one of my 1950s BSAs or Norton on the ride next year.  Some of the local vintage club attended, And I saw a number of usual suspects.  But I guess we should start working NOW for next year on our issues and not wait till the last minute.

"Why put off something tomorrow when you can put it off today?"
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RDfella on 01.10. 2018 21:14
Richard, you need a medal for perseverance! And glad you can now rest having found the source of the noise. As I said in an earlier post,  I thought it was more of a scraping sound than a bearing / dynamo noise.
I think most of us know our way around engines and motorcycles generally. We know the sound of piston slap, a big end or mains rumbling. We know when tyre pressures aren't as they should be or steering head bearings need adjustment. As I see it, the major benefit of forums - especially this one - is to bring out options that those of us struggling with a problem may not have considered. Like when after a rebuild I had a pitiful oil return to the tank. Everything was as it should be. Oil pump was good (even tried another) and new gasket lined up perfectly. Then someone on this forum suggested enlarging the gasket holes. Why? Everything lined up, but I made a new gasket with larger holes anyway as by then I was at a loss to figure it out. Result? Substantial oil flow. I still don't know why it worked, but that contributor saved the day.
Who better to assist than someone with the same make / model of machine? That's what makes this forum great. Instead of struggling alone, one can tap into the wisdom of like-minded friends.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 01.10. 2018 22:05
Sluggo,

Sooo, the wife was OK with not being the woman riding pillion? *smile*

RD,

Thanks for my virtual-medal award.

I once had an oil return problem after a long rebuild process, during which the oil lines just dangled unconnected. Fortunately, I didn't run it very long before a determined search for the problem. Turned out to be a spider nest in one of the lines. I can't remember which line.

Richard L.

Edit:  A search for when I previously mentioned the spider tells me that the egg sack was in the in-flow nipple.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: Sluggo on 01.10. 2018 22:21
Well Richard,, the Mrs is pretty much done with riding and Motorcycles in general. She used to enjoy it and we have been together just under 30 years (Where did the time go?)  However she just is done with it.
Part of the problem is, I ruined a perfectly good hobby by opening a shop for 10 years and 24/7 and all the events, long hours and ups & downs of doing it professionally plus some people who were difficult wore her down.  I promised to get a real job, (With tangible things like health care, retirement and a steady paycheck)
Helped,, but my big crash and my resulting health issues because of it (Which will be life long) really sourd her on Motorcycles in general.
She wants me to stop riding altogether.

As to my friend who rode with me, There are no secrets, Christine is also a military veteran and having some serious issues in her life, So she is one of many of my friends I spend time with and there is nothing going on other than friends and support.  While it was openly discussed,, at the end, the Mrs was annoyed with the whole thing, but its not a big conspiracy.

It WAS amusing though at the ride as some people gave us funny looks as who the hell is that?

There was Axethrowing at the event which is a bit odd, but apparently its a very popular thing now. Christine wanted to learn more. (Far more complicated than you might think) but she thought it might be a good skill to learn for people who *** her off.  She was US Army active duty, and then worked Logistical Support for Army/AirForce and just retired.  She also worked for Boeing in purchasing & logistics.
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 01.10. 2018 23:01
My wife is interested only enough to listen to my stories of frustration or pleasure in my bikes and bike social activities (like DGR or writing on the forum, which she doe not read). I didn't seriously mean to imply anything untoward between you and your Army friend.  That's the danger of being a joker.

Regarding axe throwing, I think I would be better at axe catching.

Richard L

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Post by: Sluggo on 01.10. 2018 23:36
between vintage cars and especially motorcycles we have become friends and in contact with a wide range of international characters so wouldnt change much, although in hindsight a lot of things could use some fine tuning. 

My wife works in a machine shop & manufacturing and probably knows more about old cars and motorcycles than most of the employees so they are often shocked when talking with her..  One day some guys were spouting off some drivel about Harleys and she corrected them and then explained the difference between flatheads, Knucks,pans,shovels and evos.  Some find that challenging to their self identity.

I tell this story often but on another list, we had a New Zealander/Kiwi who threatened to come visit all the US members.  Simon describes himself as a ex rugby hooligan and dodgy on the best of days. Our friend Ron who refers to his wife as "Mrs Ron" said his wife said "Those people are not real, they are just imaginary internet friends!"  well one day Simon did come and toured the US.  I have enjoyed meeting many other imaginary internet friends as well, Such as John/Chaterlea25 recently, BritTwit and others.

When it was "Take your German to work day" and Wusel came and toured my wifes shop people asked
"How the hell do you know all these people?"  My wife said... "Vintage motorcycles!"

When Simon was here,, he was shocked to learn while I live out in the hills/countryside we have a bar/restaurant next door to our little farm.  I explained that while I might once in a while stoll over for a beer I dont spend much time there. I would rather be in my workshop.  I see the same people day in & out who show up after work and spend ALL their free time there. (What a waste!)

So, show that to the wife and tell her,, where would she prefer you spend all your time?  At a bar? Stripper club? Or out in the garage or workshop? 
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Post by: BSA_54A10 on 02.10. 2018 10:08
You would not believe hao many frustrated wives call me and ask about buying a rolling basket case missing just enough parts that hubby will never be able to get it to a running state.
None of them want him to ride, just to get out from under their feet in the kitchen & not spend all day in a bar.
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Post by: groily on 02.10. 2018 11:01
Having been 'at home' all day for half the 34 years I've been married this time round, Boy, this resonates!
I am lucky because although the boss doesn't do bikes much these days she has her own serious hobbies.
She liked bikes well enough when we lived in London 30 years back as we could get anywhere, park anywhere  . . . but it was the broken ribs on the IoM in the wet one year that put her off, looking back, and they were my fault unfortunately . . . Ouch!
 
I reckon it's pretty important to have balancing obsessions - if you can't both have the same one that is.
I'm either in the shed or I'm out on a bike, pretty much 7 days a week most of the year. She's happy with that as long as I don't break down or fall off and expect rescuing, and she's into her stuff to about the same extent. So no pressure, just tolerance of mutual weirdness really.
Years back, we'd have been in a bar, guaranteed. Like 'em well, very well - but not a good plan if you've got time on your hands maybe. And worse still if you haven't got the time but spend both it and all the money there anyway! It Has Been Known  . . .
Title: Re: RICHARDL is pretty OK now
Post by: RichardL on 03.10. 2018 00:33
Well. it seems I might have been in a bit of a hurry when putting my bike back together at 2:00 AM Sunday morning. The strap nut is nice and tight. The belt? Not so much.

This is actually very good news. No destroyed belt as far as I could tell with the quick look I just had, and electrics should be OK

Richard
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 03.10. 2018 01:06
Nooe. The belt is damaged, but I have a spare around here somewhere. Bought from a supply house. Not SRM. Cheaper and just as good.

Richard L.
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Post by: duTch on 03.10. 2018 08:08

 Richard,  that's how my SRM Synchroflex one looked when it spat the dummy....swapped it out for a 'Optibelt' brand one (Made in Ireland).
  I think the original was too tight, as it shredded itself
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Post by: muskrat on 03.10. 2018 09:18
G'day Richard.
I've had both yours and duTch's scenarios. Too loose and the teeth get eaten, too tight and the belt shreds. Found the optimum tension is if the belt can almost touch the screw boss with light finger pressure.
Cheers
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 03.10. 2018 11:50
Now, if someone could just tell me what the heck happened to the spare belt, I would appeciate it. Worse, I can't remember where I bought it. Record keeping? Phht!

Richard L.
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Post by: duTch on 03.10. 2018 12:01

 
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Now, if someone could just tell me what the heck happened to the spare belt, I would appeciate it...........!

 No probs, it'll be the last place you look, right where you left it..in the most obvious and logical of places...but you need to look between 00:59 & 01:00 am. (in your own words things disappear after 01:00), but what you didn't consider is that they only appear after 00:59 *smile* (small window)...

 And yes my current tension method is as Musko says;
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Found the optimum tension is if the belt can almost touch the screw boss with light finger pressure.


 good luck
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Post by: Sluggo on 03.10. 2018 20:03
I have been told multiple times that these types of belts run looser when hot, Not tighter,, So thats why it seems counter productive to have them so tight when cold.  I have yet to try one on a BSA, but have run a bunch of Belt drive primaries and rear belt final drives on later Sportsters (1994 and up IIRC) and Buells.

I do rather enjoy the belts on primaries and final drives in those other locations and some real nice benefits to them.  As to loosing stuff,, I feel your pain.  I used to forget peoples names and lose my car keys all the time, but every since I went bouncing on my head thanks to a speeding drunk driver I have a legit excuse.  When my wife says "What the hell is wrong with you?"  I can say "Many things! I have documentation!"
So my advice is label the heck out of everything. It seems silly at the time, but its starting to pay off
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Post by: wortluck on 04.10. 2018 20:48
Flippin belts, more trouble than they're worth - I'm going to stick a chain on mine. *smile*
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Post by: Sluggo on 04.10. 2018 21:15
Flippin belts, more trouble than they're worth - I'm going to stick a chain on mine. *smile*

THAT Topic has been well covered!   *whistle* *pull hair out* ::hh::
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Post by: bsa-bill on 04.10. 2018 21:26
broke two chains, never broke a belt
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Post by: muskrat on 04.10. 2018 23:22
G'day Bill.
Ha, I'm the opposite. Never broke a chain but due to my over tightening of the belts I broke two of those. Blame me not the belt. 8 years service out of the ones in both A7 and A10 now.
Cheers
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Post by: wortluck on 05.10. 2018 11:44
I was joking, of course. *good3*  Have broken one chain so far but no plans to go to belt. *smile*
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Post by: LJ. on 05.10. 2018 13:24
I am staying well outta this one! Never broke a chain or a belt... I have a chain... never been a problem, probably cuz I can't hear the thing!
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 05.10. 2018 13:34
I am staying well outta this one! Never broke a chain or a belt... I have a chain... never been a problem, probably cuz I can't hear the thing!

Interesting. At the DGR I made the point of starting up a bit before the wave of starting rolled back to me. Though the bike starts first kick cold, it's 3 or 4 when warm and I get insecure if don't hear the early sputters. I suppose you've acquired a sense for starting cues other than sound. I am weak.

Richard L.
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Post by: LJ. on 05.10. 2018 13:46
I've heard, (pun impossible to avoid) so many say... "Best you don't hear"!  *lol* and they are probably right.
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Post by: Black Sheep on 05.10. 2018 14:44
Interesting chat about wives. My wife was riding bikes even before I met her (I was all of 17 at the time) and rode many bikes over the years with always her A10 in the background. A few years ago her health took a serious turn for the worse and she no longer rides. However, she is adamant that her bikes are maintained and used regularly.
My quandary is that I feel selfish when out for the day on a bike when she can no longer manage to ride and could do with my help around the garden and farm.
I'll be out on her 1913 Douglas tomorrow. Just making sure it's going well, honest.
P.S. The only dynamo chain breakage was on the A10 crossing the Forth Bridge about 1980 or thereabouts and that's because the dynamo commutator flew apart.     
Title: Re: RICHARDL is not OK.
Post by: RichardL on 05.10. 2018 15:54
...her 1913 Douglas...

"...her 1913 Douglas..."!