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Title: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 23.11. 2018 19:20
Ok, so I have been wanting to visit the WW1 battlefields of Belgium and northern France for many years. All the publicity which surrounded the centenary of the armistice this year has just made me more determined than ever to get myself there. However three stumbling blocks presented themselves. Firstly, I am so poor that the local church mice regularly hold fundraising events for me. Secondly, I wanted it to be a journey which I would remember. Something that was not just a case of jumping onto a train or a plane and ending up there. I wanted to feel as though I had actually achieved something by getting there. In short, I wanted it to be about the journey as much as about the destination. I feel that in order to actually understand what I am going to see, I need to have the time and space to reflect and immerse myself in the subject. Finally, I don't want to be completely surrounded by tourists - something which would undoubtedly have been the case if I had made my journey to coincide with the centenary itself.

This is how I came up with my idea for the Armistice 101 project.

The attached photos show the condition of my 1960 A7ss as she was a couple of months ago when I finally stripped her down. Six years ago she suffered a quite catastrophic engine failure. In short, it looks like someone lobbed a grenade into the crank cases. She has been sitting in a number of sheds since then as I tried to work out what to do with her. My plan therefore, is to get her back on the road over the winter and then ride her from Cumbria to France next summer. What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: muskrat on 23.11. 2018 20:05
G'day Mosin.
Ouch *ex* Were you riding when she dropped her guts?
The bike itself looks OK so it's "just" a motor rebuild  *pull hair out*
Good luck, were all rootin' for you.
Cheers
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Black Sheep on 23.11. 2018 20:54
Ouch! Looks like you need most of an engine... What all bits do you need?
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: cyclobutch on 23.11. 2018 21:05
I can't help thinking that a grenade might well have done less damage than that. But it's a solid plan - good luck.
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: morris on 23.11. 2018 21:45
Easy.
And if ever it takes a bit more time, don’t worry. The Ypres Meningate won’t walk away and they’ll still blow the last post every evening for a long time to come.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eiWL2BCfhGg
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 23.11. 2018 21:48
I was riding at the time, but luckily managed to grind to a halt without dropping the bike. It actually looks much worse than it was. The cases and crank were both ok. The barrels, head, con-rods, valves, pistons, and camshaft were all shot. I have spent the past six years slowly collecting bits and putting a tenner aside every month towards the job. I now have pretty much everything I need. The new head has just been skimmed and fitted with new guides and valves. The new barrels have been bored and honed. I have new pistons and a new camshaft and followers. All I need now is a really good pair of con-rods and the whole thing can start to come back together.
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: wortluck on 24.11. 2018 17:59
Jeez, ouch, best of luck with the rebuild.  Not sure whether I'd have the time, skills or patience to put that lot back together.
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 27.11. 2018 14:43
Well to date I have had a con-rod fail on me on two separate occasions. Both have resulted in catastrophic damage to the engine internals (they haven't been much fun for me perched on top of it either). So, given the amount of work I am doing on the whole thing, I have decided to push the boat out and order a brand new pair of Thunder rods. This means I now have all the bits I need for my rebuild. Watch this space for updates!
 *smile*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Topdad on 27.11. 2018 15:53
Sound thinking and money well spent , just before GB posts, let me remind you to clean the sludge trap out , sure you've already taken care of it but it's important ,cheer sand keep posting , Bob
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: chaterlea25 on 27.11. 2018 20:30
Hi Mosin,
Sound decision on buying new conrods  *wink2*
I would also very seriously consider a new oil pump to go with them

John
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 28.11. 2018 10:15
I would dearly love to be able to replace the oil pump too, but sadly funds will not stretch that far at the present time.  *sad2*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: chaterlea25 on 28.11. 2018 22:31
Hi Mosin,
At least have the pump tested and or rebuilt,
SRM have a test rig that will test them for flow and pressure

John
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: duTch on 29.11. 2018 01:41

 GB and I (at least) have a Cast Iron Hi- flow pump procured from I think Bantam John for much less than the fancy SRM one , I think was about ~£170 four or so years ago.... maybe that's more doable, and works fine so far
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 05.12. 2018 09:31
These arrived in the post this morning. To be honest, I can't decide whether to fit them in my engine or invite them out on a date.
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Greybeard on 05.12. 2018 09:36
These arrived in the post this morning. To be honest, I can't decide whether to fit them in my engine or invite them out on a date.
*clap*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: muskrat on 05.12. 2018 10:13
Yes their too nice to hide in a motor *ex* I put R&R rods in my cafe. I think I read that std rods have a lifespan of 80,000 miles (make that 50K the way I ride  *bash*)
Roller or bush timing side?
Cheers
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Topdad on 05.12. 2018 11:26
How is the fitting of the rods coming along I'm being nosey because a) I'd like new rods for my motor and B) have been put off in the past by hearing that one type of rod needs machining to clear the c/cases  and I didn't want to do that .
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: duTch on 05.12. 2018 11:41

 
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......, I can't decide whether to fit them in my engine or invite them out on a date....

 I think it'd be a nice gesture to pack 'em on the back of one of your other rides and take 'em for a jaunt around so they know where their responsibilities will be taking them (and you), and stop for a chew and an ale or two and show them off to as many as possible, then get them nicely oiled up and ready for your crank, but make sure they're well balanced or you'll be totally screwed.... *eek*

 That's what I'd 've done had I thought of it when mine arrived, but I was keen for a quick fix....
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: JulianS on 05.12. 2018 11:52
Fitted Thunder rods to my A10 8 years ago. The cutouts in the barrel may need enlarging to provide enough clearance, but apart from that no problems at all. Right length between centres.

Prior to that fitted R and R rods which were 40 thou too long between centres................
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 06.12. 2018 11:55
Yes their too nice to hide in a motor *ex* I put R&R rods in my cafe. I think I read that std rods have a lifespan of 80,000 miles (make that 50K the way I ride  *bash*)
Roller or bush timing side?
Cheers

Roller bearing timing side and crank oil feed mod.
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 06.12. 2018 12:19
One of the old valves. It doesn't require any high-tech measuring gear to see that it is not quite straight...
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Mosin on 18.01. 2019 17:16
Well I haven't posted for a while but that doesn't mean I have been neglecting the old girl. The engine is now all nicely rebuilt and turning over beautifully by hand. I now just need to do a few last jobs (set timing, lubricate cables, sort out a lot of stray wiring etc) then the plan is to stick her on a rolling road and run a few litres of flushing oil through the engine on total loss. Only then will I consider filling her up with Straight 40 and see if she will start. I am taking no chances!
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: RDfella on 19.01. 2019 11:59
NW England? Does it get warm enough for straight 40? I use 30.
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Greybeard on 19.01. 2019 12:22
I use straight 40 from Morris's
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: ellis on 19.01. 2019 12:23
Hi RDfella.

Yes it does get warm enough for 40s but only for a few months in the middle of summer. I would go for straight 40s then and when it cools off go back to straight 30s.

ELLIS
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: wortluck on 19.01. 2019 13:04
Just remind me again why you don't use 20/50?
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Seabee on 19.01. 2019 13:41
Just remind me again why you don't use 20/50?
Oh crap........, here we go again!
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: wortluck on 19.01. 2019 14:20
Heh, don't worry Seabee, it was just a wind up *fight*  TBH, as long as it's a bit slippery, I don't really worry too much.  In fact, apparently, I've been putting the 'wrong' oil in for a while (I think it's medium detergent mineral 20/50 rather than low, and I don't think it's very high in zinc either).  Not had any problems at all.  Still, thinking of going for the Rock Oil 20/50 next time as that seems recommended.

I'm sure the most wise and enlightened will shoot me down in flames *smile* *dunno* *sleepy* *shh*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: RDfella on 19.01. 2019 16:14
I don't use 20/50 in any engine that hasn't got an oil filter, because I dont want to destroy my engine by pumping abrasives around it, which is what happens with detergent oils. I remember fitting a new 6litre V8 petrol engine in a boat, after the owner had decided to put the latest high-spec oil in his old engine. Twenty five miles later it blew up.
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: wortluck on 19.01. 2019 17:15
I must be lucky then, 6000m with this oil so far - just waiting for the big bang *eek*  Maybe the magnetic sump plug has saved me (no filter, if you hadn't guessed already) *smile*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: bsa-bill on 19.01. 2019 17:18
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I'm sure the most wise and enlightened will shoot me down in flames

Think I'm categorised as such (gods knows how) but I'm with you, oil changes at ridiculously short uneconomic intervals means I ride without giving much thought to whatever I've filled the oil tank up with, the level is a thousand times more important
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: muskrat on 19.01. 2019 17:55
 *pull hair out*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: wortluck on 19.01. 2019 18:06
Love it Musky *beer*  Just to wind everyone up further,  I've just read an article that says to use detergent oils in clean, rebuilt engines to avoid sludge build up.  If the engine's been run on low detergent, continue doing that or it'll free up the sludge to circulate in your motor.  Someone else says that the particles trapped in detergent oils are so small, it won't make a blind bit of difference.  Tell you what folks, I'll stick to what I'm doing and will let you know what happens (change oil every 1k-1.2k in case you're interested).

I can just see the rage growing as I write this *beer* *beer* *beer* *beer* *countdown* *wink2*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: bsa-bill on 19.01. 2019 19:50
settle down Musky, it's only an oil thread, much much worse things not to be mentioned up this side of the globe  *smile* *smile* *smile*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: wortluck on 19.01. 2019 20:07
Does it have to do with Europe and exiting? *fight*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: bsa-bill on 19.01. 2019 22:02
if - when - how - maybe  *countdown* *pull hair out* *problem* *contract* :-\ *sleepy* *sleepy* *sleepy* *sleepy*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: wortluck on 19.01. 2019 22:22
Two options I reckon - leave or get kicked out!  Same applied in most of the pubs I visited as a kid - seemed fair then. *smile*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: BigJim on 19.01. 2019 22:47
It is what it is. The idea of a rebuild to visit the war graves of the first world war is a noble and worthwhile challenge. It kicks the media frenzy that is brexit into perspective. Keep on keeping on Mosin, looking forward to the next update. *smile* *wink2* *yeah*
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Peter in Aus on 20.01. 2019 00:00
Just to keep the oil pot stirring!! I use Pentrite High Zinc Classic Light 20W 60 with a oil filter on the return line and change oil and filter at 2 to 3000M or once a year which ever comes first. *fight* *beer*
Peter
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: Seabee on 20.01. 2019 00:11
See what I mean Wortluck! *smile* *eek*LOL
Title: Re: Armistice 101
Post by: muskrat on 20.01. 2019 09:18
OK fellas, that's enough. I'll have to send some to the naughty corner >:D and delete about 15 posts.
 *contract* stay on topic.
Cheers