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Technical => Frame => Topic started by: Slymo on 27.12. 2018 11:27

Title: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: Slymo on 27.12. 2018 11:27
I've messing about with the steering head bearings without much joy. Initially it all seemed to go well but I discovered there was a fair bit of slop that had developed in a very short space of time so decided to have another crack. Turned out I could tighten them up to rigid tight but the slop was between the lower bearing outer and the headstock. I applied some loctite new metal and seated the outer soundly in the headstock. Two weeks later there is play again but I can remove it by tightening. Trouble is as soon as I re tighted the pinch bolt the bearing gets too tight. I back it off and its too loose. Does anyone have a prefered method for setting these things up?
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: muskrat on 27.12. 2018 20:09
G'day Slymo.
Are we talking original cup and cone ball race or tapered roller?
The outer cup is loose in the headstock? You have tried to seat it with loctite? I'd try Devcon metal putty.
Cheers
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: JulianS on 27.12. 2018 20:57
Had a problem with poor quality new head bearings a few years back, could not adjust them properly. Got a different set from a different supplier and issue resolved.

Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: chaterlea25 on 27.12. 2018 21:04
Hi All,
A common problem can be wear on the steering stem where the top inner bearing sits  *sad2*
This can give weird symptoms when trying to adjust the bearings
I have built up a worn stem with tig weld and re machined it back to size

John
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: Slymo on 27.12. 2018 21:24
Yes sorry its the oringinal setup with loose crowded row balls. There could be an issue with the stem and the top inner race, ill check that out on the inevitable next disassembly.
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: Slymo on 19.02. 2019 09:26
Headstock comes apart again shortly. Its truely horrible to ride at the moment with over tight bearings and movement back and forth under braking that sets up a judder. My plan is to pull the whole shitfest apart and reassemble using shim steel to lock the cups into the frame and secure the whole thing with wicking loctite. Then I will build up the stem with easyflo solder and machine it to an appropriate fit with the bearing inner. Hopefully I can then set the whole deal up properly.
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: mikeb on 20.02. 2019 07:18
i put down my cash for the srm tapered roller kit and felt instant improvement. if the bearings are old and have been overly tightened then they're not worth fighting against.
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: morris on 20.02. 2019 21:17
i put down my cash for the srm tapered roller kit and felt instant improvement. if the bearings are old and have been overly tightened then they're not worth fighting against.
Back that up.
A set of taper bearings is not that expensive and if you have difficulties finding them, the bearing sets sold by SRM and others are actually modified standard bearings. I don’t have the correct type number at hand right now but on my plunger I have a couple of off the shelf standard SKF taper bearings machined down to fit.
It’s a fit, adjust and forget option.
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: Greybeard on 20.02. 2019 21:56
I also fitted taper roller bearings. I probably bought them from Draganfly. No trouble since.
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: Slymo on 21.02. 2019 00:32
Yes well nothing is off the table. Ill get it apart again and assess. Tapered rollers may be the answer.
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 21.02. 2019 09:10
IF the bearing race is loose, it is most likely the wrong race.
From memory the C series is just slightly smaller ( might be unit B ) but your problem is not new.
All BSA cups look the same so it is very easy to get them mixed up.
You can get up to .020" built up with copper and thicker with nickle
Title: Re: Steering head bearing set up
Post by: Slymo on 21.02. 2019 09:58
Turns out that my eyesight is questionable because whilst I thought they all looked in good order when i put them in I pulled out the stem today and spotted that the bottom journal that sits on the bottom clamp is totally kaput! The Loctite New Metal was doing an excellent job as there was no movement and infact t took a reasonable effort to get the outer cups out. New ones on the way which will hopefully fit nicely.