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Technical => Frame => Topic started by: Nourish on 08.12. 2019 12:56

Title: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Nourish on 08.12. 2019 12:56
I need to source a rigid type tool box for my bolt up rigid A10 project but I don't know what to look for.
Exact originality isn't important as long as it looks right.
Are the tool boxes the same pressing for all of the rigid A,B and C models?
Looking on the net there are variations in holes, brackets maybe the dish of the cover/lid and some have a step in the inside at the bottom(see picture)
What do I need to know to recognise the correct one?
Cheers
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: AdrianJ on 08.12. 2019 16:28
I've just bought an Indian B31 one for my plunger A10. Very similar.
I don't think that they are suitable for the rigid frame as the rear of the rigid toolbox is more pointed.
The Indian ones come with no holes though, so can be drilled to fit.
Adrian
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Tomcat on 09.12. 2019 07:45
I saw a toolbox like your pic recently, and have sent a message to Old Mate to see if it's still available. (In AU)

Here's a pic of a ZA7 rigid toolbox, same toolbox as my YA7
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Tomcat on 09.12. 2019 07:48
Closed up.
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Swarfcut on 09.12. 2019 09:24
Nourish. This very forum has a literature section and in there you will find parts lists and catalogues relating to early models. A little perseverance through the early pre-1950 parts list will bring up illustrations of the various toolboxes of the time. These catalogues cover all models, so are a bit less straightforward to use, but the parts are well illustrated, so very useful when researching what a part looks like. If anything, more detailed than the later publications.

Bit late now as you have a good picture of a genuine 1947 rigid toolbox.  A modern one to consider is from an Enfield Bullet, which still still has the triangular profile, and might well be easily adapted fit your frame.

 Plunger toolbox is bigger, more square and will not fit into the rigid frame, but triangular rigid type boxes appear on early plunger bikes, presumably to use up available rigid stock. Look a bit weird, with a gap underneath to the lower chainstay. 

Toolbox lids come with slight variations..... early ones are flat, with  a sharp edge, or a later, more domed pressing.

Swarfy.

Additional. This subject has been featured before on the forum, so a search should bring up a few more comments.
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: duTch on 09.12. 2019 11:55

 
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.......Look a bit weird, with a gap underneath to the lower chainstay.  .......

  *conf2*...Dunno Swarfo- my chain is on the other side.....unless I built mine way wrong *dunno*

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Plunger toolbox is bigger, more square and will not fit into the rigid frame, but triangular rigid type boxes appear on early plunger bikes, presumably to use up available rigid stock. .........

  I bought one from a swapmeet same as in Tomcats pic thinking to use it on my plunger to carry my battery ('nother story), but was too thin for the battery so took a pattern and started to make one- work in progress....fits but a bit further forward....there's a pic on here showing how the oil filter conveniently fits too- I had a feeling they used the same basic pattern and reprofiled the back end



Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Swarfcut on 09.12. 2019 13:44
Nah dutch. It's built proper. Chainstay is the bit of the frame to the rear. Olde English term, so not often documented or mentioned in more post modern and enlightened company.

Cheers

Swarfy.
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: terryk on 10.12. 2019 08:26
Nourish that pic you posted is for a C10 C11 it wont fit.
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: duTch on 10.12. 2019 09:46

 
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Nah dutch. It's built proper. Chainstay is the bit of the frame to the rear. Olde English term, so not often documented or mentioned in more post modern and enlightened company. ......

     *dunno*
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Nourish on 10.12. 2019 09:58
Thank you chaps for the information so far.  I had done a search for Tool Boxes - there's a lot on plungers and S/A toolboxes but not the rigid - not that I could find anyway.
To be honest I can't tell the difference between photos of different rigid type tool boxes yet alone drawings.
Now Terry says the C10 doesn't fit - other than the step pressed into the rear it looks the same to me - But Terry knows!
 Why doesn't it fit Terry?
Here's a couple on eBay at the moment advertised for the A7/twins - one has the step and a bracket
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Nourish on 10.12. 2019 10:20
This one?
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Nourish on 10.12. 2019 10:48
What I've noticed with Tomcats box is it has 3 washers welded on the holes not sure about the fourth, the bracket for the lid closure is quite wide and the lid quite flat in profile - what else should I be noticing?
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Swarfcut on 10.12. 2019 13:34
Anything with a step....it's wrong. Step is to position a toolbox around frame tubes.   Usual mounting is P clip(s) to the frame, plus maybe a bolt or two to the mudguard. Washers usually spot welded on to reinforce the mounting.

Swarfy
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Nourish on 10.12. 2019 22:46
I appretiate that maybe the twins didn't have the step but other than that are they the same?
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: mikeb on 11.12. 2019 00:46
i don't know the finer points here tho the parts lists say the rigid a7 and a10 (up to 1953) toolbox was 65-9080. if you google that there's a bunch of pics to look at. its the same as *some* of the B series rigids, hence this: https://mikesclassiccyclespares.com/product/65-9080/ (https://mikesclassiccyclespares.com/product/65-9080/)
they are out there to buy
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Nourish on 11.12. 2019 09:39
Thanks Mike. The C10 boxes sell for much less and looking like I might just have make a different bracket or add a spacer to be able to fit a C10 item.
Here's hoping that the A7 and C10 lids are the same pressing so that the boxes are the some shape and fit the angle of the frame tubing.
Cheers
Title: Re: Rigid Tool Box
Post by: Nourish on 19.12. 2019 16:35
OK, I bought a C12 tool box, as you can see it fits well in the triangle of the A7's axle lug. So other than the step pressed into the rear it appears then to be the same shape as the rigid A7/10 tool boxes.