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Technical (Descriptive Topic Titles - Stay on Topic) => Frame => Topic started by: Lightningpower on 02.05. 2022 00:23
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Hi everyone,
Wondering how to identify a super flash tool box. Can someone supply dimensions and differences from a standard tool box?
Thanks,
LP
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It's the same toolbox as used on a C10L. Cheers
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Thank you. Now I just need to figure out how to identify one of those! :)
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I'll take a photo of mine and do a measure up for you.
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That would be excellent! Thanks so much.
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Hi. Measurements are
270mm Long x 230mm High x 60mm Deep. Picture attached......hopefully. Cheers
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Hi. Sorry to cast doubt on this but I'm fairly certain that, that is not a correct Super Flash tool box! Mine and all of the others that I have seen have a strange shape box that's almost mounted on its side to follow the rear guard better and fill in the space available. Cheers, Pete
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Yes, comparing internet images of the Super Flash there is certainly something different. My parts book lists 67-9014 as Toolbox complete. Other parts listed are washers. nuts and clips to suit. The one you have is more the shape for the rigid standard frame.
Correct Superflash Oil tank is listed as 67 8362, again good chance this is based on the basic pressings used on another contemporary model from the range and outlined in previous posts. That one looks standard Plunger. Superflash is longer, again in the rigid frame style.
Swarfy.
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I would like to thank Superflash for his pic and measurements. It is a curiosity. I have never seen one like it on a Superflash. Your oil tank looks like the early one. I hope to find one of those some day.
Superflash, do you know when yours was built?
Could someone provide a picture of their tool box and measurements for comparison?
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As the guys on here know, my bike was built piece meal from parts purchased front around the entire planet. Unfortunately there's a lot of clowns out there who either don't know what they're talking about or deliberately mislead the buyers in their descriptions. Example would be the tool box on mine. Someone told me that the superflash used a tool box off the C10L. Perhaps not correct after all. Given my intent was never about doing a faithful restoration a lot of what's on the bike is not genuine SF. Example would be the frame. 1951 GF. Cheers
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Other than a couple of things, the lump is pretty much all SF. Couldn't find the triplex primary set up for love nor money so duplex it was. The frame would never fit the TT carb so a monobloc went on instead. Other improvements include SRM oil pump and dyno belt drive. For the casual observer the bike looks the part but I'm sure the purists would not be impressed. Apparently the bike my motor came from was one of the first to hit Australia. It obviously had a hard life as all that was left when I bought it was the cases, barrels, head and crank. Plus a few random but knackered bits and pieces. Cheers
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Hi Superflash,
You do say it is a work in progress. Hopefully some day the correct bits will filter in. In the meantime you have machine you can enjoy.
There are some parts form other contemporary BSA's that were modified by the factory for the SF. One example is the petrol tank. It is nearly identical to a 1953 Competition B34 tank.The differences are: the front frame mount has provision for rubber on the B34 tank and the second is the rear extended SF mount. It is very easy to remove the rubber retaining cups from the front to leave the bare steel plate that the SF uses. A piece can be fabricated for the rear if one is ok doing it.
I wish a C10L toolbox would work. They are more common for sure.
Cheers,
Christian
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Your oil tank looked SF when on the small screen on my phone. I thought there was a reflection in the paint that made it look like a typical A10 Plunger tank. Yet, on the laptop, I see that the tank is the usual A10 tank. If you had a SF tank on it, you would have had to modify the mounts to work with the standard A10 frame anyway.
Cheers,
LP
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Yep, she's a bitsa, and that's how she'll stay.
To be honest, at the time I was really after a Bonneville or Tiger engine to build into a chopper, but there was nothing to be had at the time. For some bazaar reason, this old BSA motor came up on fleabay and interested me. Prior to that I was strictly a Triumph and Harley man, so my knowledge and experience with Beeza's was nil.
It was only the fact that this whole Superflash thing was supposed to be a rare beast that I decided to go ahead and buy it instead of holding out for a Trumpy.
Again, the guys on the forum here will attest to my total ignorance about the entire BSA marque, and have given me untold help and advise getting me to where we are now. In saying that, opinions and new information received, not to mention difficulty in obtaining genuine parts tended to muddy the waters to the point where I gave up trying to stay true to the SF design. So I went my own way, and ended up with what I've got. I'm happy with it, and if others don't, then that's their prerogative.
It's an interesting toy, and has kept me amused, broke and occupied for the last couple of years. But have now finally got hold of a nice Bonnie that is getting the full restoration job, so the Beeza has been somewhat relegated for now.
Thanks guys.
Tony
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regardless of any imperfections wrt "trueness" its a nice looking machine Superflash *beer*
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Here is a picture of my tool box. It measures around 190mm long and 240mm high. This was taken before I started restoring the bike.
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G'day SF.
Don't give up on her, as said bits will eventually turn up.
In the mean time you have a bike to be proud of and ride while the Bonnie takes shape.
Cheers
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Biker John Davies,
Thank you for the picture and the measurements. This is crucial for swap meets. boot sales and other places one is hopeful! Is there any chance you or someone could post picture of how it's mounted? My friend has a SF in the town I live in, however, his tool box was missing and he had to make his. It looks great, but neither of us know how it should have been mounted. It appears form your picture that there is a strap that attaches behind the oil tank and another that goes to a clamp at the lower casting point for the rear plunger. Is there a another anchor? How doe it attach behind the oil tank?
I'm excited about my SF. It has been a decade of parts hunting, but it's slowly coming together.
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Hey Muskrat,
You (like many users here) have illustrated one of things I like about this forum. People are supportive. IF you want to build an accurate bike, people support you. If you want to modify or use what you have, people support you. This is a good culture.
Cheers,
LP
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Hi,
There is a P clip attached to the frame as highlighted in picture 1 and the 2 straps attach to the rear mudguard as in picture 2. Hope that helps. Cheers
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The toolbox on the very early plungers seems to be the same as the rigid frames. Is that what the SF has? Also, I thought the oil tank was special on the SF, with a larger filler cap.
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Yes GB, you're right. BSA would use up what they had, so early Plunger bikes came with the rigid style toolbox. Plunger Toolbox mount is a P Clip to the frame backstay, plus a pair of nuts and bolts to the side valance of the rear mudguard. With the narrower width of the Superflash mudguard blade the brackets pictured position the toolbox in its normal relationship to the frame.
Frame has an extra lug? similar to the brake pedal mount. What's that for?
Swarfy.
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Hi,
There is a P clip attached to the frame as highlighted in picture 1 and the 2 straps attach to the rear mudguard as in picture 2. Hope that helps. Cheers
pretty sure i have one of these in my spares, will try and find it tomorrow and take a pic.
if any use PM me.
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Hi guys, firstly an apology I only have one of these and have had several PM's of interest, so the fairest way I can think of is to send it to the person who asked first.
The toolbox was given to me by an old guy who worked at a vehicle testing station I took my BSA to for years. As such I just want it to go on a bike and have post reimbursed. BIKERJOHNDAVIES was the quickest.
Attached photos of the holes and inside. I make no claim what its from, other than definitely BSA. I suspected a C series.
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That looks like the correct box with the correct holes. Attached is a photo after installation. I believe that Mikes Classic Bike can furnish the required mounts as shown by Johns bike.
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Thanks for posting! This really helps the cause.
LP
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https://www.trademe.co.nz/trade-me-motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/fairing-body-work/auction-3725605944.htm (https://www.trademe.co.nz/trade-me-motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/fairing-body-work/auction-3725605944.htm)
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If anyone finds one of these, I now need one!
That'll teach me to give one away... anyway they are also used on the domestic m20's (not the military ones which are deeper) as well as the ZB goldstars that had the M20 type oil tank.
I recently bought a pretty ZB34GS which is missing some tinwear including the toolbox which I never thought I'd need
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Picking up this old thread, I've recently started (many years late!) on my own SF. Mine was missing it's original toolbox, but I found an item at an a/jumble that at least resembled what I needed. Now that I've come to look more closely, it does indeed seem to match all the pics I've seen of SF T/boxes and also matches the size details provided by BikerJD. But the mounting holes are not for an SF and so it must have come off a different model. Looking thro'' pics of various BSA models I spotted the plunger-framed B32 and also the B34 Gold Star. These used a smaller toolbox than the 'cooking B31/B33 and looks to be the item that I have. It would have made perfect sense for BSA to use up any boxes or tooling made for the earlier B32. Anyway, this is what I'll fit as at least it looks the part! So, anyone searching for an SF T/box - try looking for one from a B32 also - much more common in the UK
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As a quick follow up there's one that seems to fit the bill on ebay right now!! seller bobbyrobinsonkobi