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Technical => A7 & A10 Engine => Topic started by: Pete Gray on 01.07. 2010 09:22

Title: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Pete Gray on 01.07. 2010 09:22
I have seen a couple of A7/10's fitted with a catridge oil filter, whilst it's probably too late to save any damage to my motor it seems a good idea. I was impressed with the recent one shown on these pages fitted inside the tool box.
Is there a suitable "off the shelf" housing available for the job or are people adapting old car units ?
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: MG on 01.07. 2010 09:36
Pete,

these are readily available on ebay and from most part suppliers:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RETRO-FIT-OIL-FILTER-KIT-BRITISH-4-STROKE-MOTORCYCLES-/220495438801?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item33568d63d1 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RETRO-FIT-OIL-FILTER-KIT-BRITISH-4-STROKE-MOTORCYCLES-/220495438801?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item33568d63d1)

The filter cartidges are Citroen 2CV (black), a chromed Harley version is available as well.

Goffy sells a complete kit with everything needed to mount it in the toolbx:
http://www.norbsa02.freeuk.com/goffyoil.htm (http://www.norbsa02.freeuk.com/goffyoil.htm)

Cheers, Markus
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: lawnmowerman on 01.07. 2010 09:45
Pete
The ones from Goffy which Markus recommended look really good and come with all the pipework. I am going to order one and fit it when I next change the oil. Goffy's website is well worth a visit. Some useful bits and the stories from Goffy about his biking experiences are well worth a read.
Jim
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: muskrat on 01.07. 2010 10:37
Got'em on both of mine. Takes the same filter as Dupussi, kidneys for your bike.
Cheers
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Pete Gray on 01.07. 2010 11:39
Terrific information and all in the space of 2 hours.
Thanks guys, now I know what I need and where to go !
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 01.07. 2010 11:46
This may be of help for anyone looking for replacement cartridges


(same as fitted to Citroen 2CV & Peugeot 205 & 309) UFI part number (23.105.00) corresponds with;
AC Delco FX0011 (was X4A)
Champion 101
Cooper Z64
Fiaam FT4654 or FT 4847
Fram PH2839, PH2864A
Halfords HOF216
Knecht OC 5 (equivalent to Ducati #065149960 and #090549960)
Mann & H W712/9, W712/11
Motorcraft EFL 47
NAPA: 1352 (1352NAPA and 551352 on the box)
Powertrain FL125
Purflux LS131
Purolator FC 103 or OC 5
Purolator L17601
Tecafilter Ref OC5
Technocar R12, R72, R434
TJ FB2094
UFI 23 149 00
Unipart GFE 201
Ryco Z93,
 
Purolator L17601
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: alanp on 01.07. 2010 17:24
Just to prove that there is another location - I wanted mine in the air flow (high oil temp. RGS engine) so have mounted it tucked up under the gearbox infront of the centre stand pivot, facing forwards (not downwards). There's loads of ground clearance to do this and I still have room for the voltage regulator, fuse box, indicator flasher unit and a bag of 'get me home' tools in the tool box and it's also out of sight.
Alan
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Stu55Flash on 02.07. 2010 22:43
Hi There is an alternative which is more expensive but is easier to place. I have only seen it advertised in the STAR BSA owners mag. Its available from BlightB6@aol.com around £50 it uses the slimline Norton cartridges. Pic below on someone else's bike I saw at VMCC rally. I will be using one of these but not ready yet. I don't know the seller. Its called a Hide-Di-Hi.



Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: muskrat on 03.07. 2010 02:12
Stu that looks neat.
Bill add Ryco Z93, Wix 57314 and Purolator L17601 to your very helpful list.
I used the Ryco until the price hit $44 each !!! I found the Wix at a truck and tractor shop at $12.50.
Cheers
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: MG on 03.07. 2010 08:32
Speaking of alternatives:

I've one of these on the A7, mounted between the rear g'box plates (under the ski-slope cover).

http://www.mapcycle.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=MAP6500&type=0 (http://www.mapcycle.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=MAP6500&type=0)

Very neat kit, even when mounted visibly it doesn't look out of place on an old bike. It uses a BSA A75/ TRI T150/T160 filter element. Also available in chrome btw.

Only downside is it hasn't got a bypass valve, so periodical changes are advisable.
Not a huge problem when fitted to the return line though and the transparent flexible tube, although looking a bit like a garden hose, allows you to check the returning flow at a glance.

Cheers, Markus
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 03.07. 2010 09:18
Bill add Ryco Z93, Wix 57314 and Purolator L17601 to your very helpful list.

Hi Muskrat - Done

You pay a good price for filters down there - very general price at Halfords (not the cheapest always) is around 7 to 9 pounds UK
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 03.07. 2010 10:08
And Gold Star Ron dose a filter kit that mounts to the rear engine plated between the donk & the box, very neat.
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: shabashow on 03.07. 2010 10:10
There's another filtration system suitable for our bikes.
I've fitted a hi-de-hide filter on my plunger, and pleased with its performance. There will be pictures of it fitted to the frame between the plunger and seat somewhere on the forum. Extra length of tubing and the filter body seem to keep the oil cool, as well.
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 02.10. 2014 17:57
By pure accident I found a shorter filter with the same characteristic as those above ( low flow resistance), helps if locating elsewhere and height is an issue.
it's a UFI 23 149 00  also Benelli and Motoguzzi printed on the box

is about 1/2 to an inch shorter
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: a101960 on 02.10. 2014 19:51
I also have fitted a Hi Di Hi filter. It is a good piece of kit, and (to my eyes at least) it even looks as if it could have been factory fitted by BSA.
(http://)
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 02.10. 2014 21:16
Quote
I also have fitted a Hi Di Hi filter.

I'm in the process of moving my Flash filter to the battery compartment  thanks to the flexibility of the Cylcone type battery's positioning.
I had tried to find a HI DI HI filter but failed, could you tell me  a101960 where you got it, price and dimensions if possible before I start drilling holes and spending more money   (spend so far is okay as the RGF will use the filters), it looks neat and possibly a better shape for my purpose

Thanks Bill
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: duTch on 02.10. 2014 22:11

  Bill, all the links from previous page are copy and pasted below. .... was doing it for my own reference anyway. ..On a new phone., so might look a bit funny. . *eek*
Its available from BlightB6@aol.comaround £ it uses the slimline Norton cartridges. 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RETRO-FIT-OIL-FILTER-KIT-BRITISH-4-STROKE-MOTORCYCLES-/220495438801?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item33568d63d1

     

http://www.norbsa02.freeuk.com/goffyoil.htm

   
   http://www.mapcycle.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=MAP6500&type=0

     
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: a101960 on 03.10. 2014 10:33
Quote
a101960 where you got it, price and dimensions if possible before I start drilling holes and spending more money
Hide-de-Hi Classic Bike Oil Filters
Meadow Villa Green Lane Hambledon Hampshire PO7 4SY
Contact: Bob Light 023 9263 2835 email  BlightB6@aol.com

I will measure up later on today and send you a PM. I have had it a few years so I really can't remember what I paid for it.

John
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 03.10. 2014 10:49
Cheers John - Look forward to your mail

Hi duTch, thanks for the links, last one works if you delete some of it http://www.mapcycle.com (http://www.mapcycle.com)
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: madsens on 03.10. 2014 13:30
Hi
I installed the Poul Goff spin on filter in my toolbox after my recent engine rebuild - everything needed for the installation in the box from P.G -also instructions and installation drawinsg, easy fit, and I'm satisfied with the result. I have smal tool roll for my tool, so for me it was ok to use the toolbox.

Regards Joergen
Ps. sorry about picture quality...
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: muskrat on 03.10. 2014 20:34
I've been using the Hiflofiltro HF153 for years but recently tried the K&N KN153 as it has a hex on top for a spanner. http://www.amazon.com/Hiflofiltro-HF153-Premium-Oil-Filter/dp/B000WJCZIO
Cheers
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: cyclobutch on 06.10. 2014 12:00
I'm running the Goffy set up in the tool box on mine. A very easy fit but I do miss the space that it takes up though, and you do have to drill . I'm running a straight 40 with detergents in the motor (Silkolene Chatsworth SAE 40 Classic & Vintage Monograde Engine Oil).
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: wilko on 06.10. 2014 22:47
Now look what you've done. you've mentioned oils!! GROAN.
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: muskrat on 07.10. 2014 02:45
 *shh* *shh* *shh* *pull hair out*
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: cyclobutch on 07.10. 2014 12:48
Doh.
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Pim on 07.10. 2014 15:08
Wow madsens, that is some slick looking setup!

I'll add that to the list Once i'm riding comfortabely(relative guys) and have to do the next oil change...

Yes that is one of many lists...
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 08.10. 2014 11:44
Stu that looks neat.
Bill add Ryco Z93, Wix 57314 and Purolator L17601 to your very helpful list.
I used the Ryco until the price hit $44 each !!! I found the Wix at a truck and tractor shop at $12.50.
Cheers

As you did not get to the National, you can redeem yourself by telling me the size & thread of the filter.
Since taking over the mower shop. I now have found a lot of really small high flow filters as fitted to mower engines
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: muskrat on 08.10. 2014 12:30
Yes sorry Trevor, missus won't let me on a bike yet. I tried.
I'll look in the morn. A lot/most of Ducks use them, RF153, KN153.
Cheers
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: KeithJ on 27.11. 2014 20:08
Just come across a smaller cartridge oil filter made by Morgo:
http://www.morgo.co.uk/morgo-oil-filter-kit/110-morgo-remote-oil-filter-kit.html
Not cheap at £65.  Has anyone used it?

Also, here are details of the Hi-De-Hi filter:
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Derby Rob on 27.11. 2014 20:35
Dear Santa,
                   Can i have a morgo filter kit please !
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: scotty on 28.11. 2014 02:02
That Morgo filter looks like a nice bit of kit.....Anybody know what the swivel fitting is for or how it fixes to the frame? ?
enquiring minds would like to know  *eek*

I have one of these little critters, pictured below, fitted on my B series......works well and the filter elements are from Honda dirt bike so easy to get replacements...my plumbing is a bit messy but the filter works well..



Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 30.11. 2014 13:09
I thought about the Hi di Hi  but the measurements (kindly supplied by  a101960, thanks again John) meant it wouldn't go where I wanted to put it so I had another think and found room for the filter and a Cyclone battery in the battery compartment.

Some (further) modification of the oil tank breather is required as the sharp eyed will have seen, the tabs on the front of the battery carrier/ air filter fixing plate were bent up straight and a stiff metal plate drilled to carry the filter head, so easy removal just slacken the two studs and it lifts up and off,
I'll use an electronic regulator as well so I'll have the whole toolbox for storage
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: scotty on 30.11. 2014 21:56
Came across this unit on the inter web today and I thought I'd share it on this thread


Made in UK  D & C Classic Motorcycles  75 Poond   4.5 x 1.75... by pass valve




Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: u28909z on 13.12. 2014 19:06
I have just fitted a Morgo Filter to replace the Norton type that was fitted.
The Norton unit was springing the toolbox lid, and does take up a lot of the available space in there.
The Morgo is on the expensive side, but is a beautifully made item. It is light weight, and fixes with a single 6mm set screw. It has two rat tail pipe connectors as standard, with optional extra banjo fittings. Filters are readily available (HF197), and nicely compact.
I ordered mine around 2pm Wednesday, it was delivered by lunch time Thursday.
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Rocket Racer on 27.12. 2014 07:08
Just come across a smaller cartridge oil filter made by Morgo:
http://www.morgo.co.uk/morgo-oil-filter-kit/110-morgo-remote-oil-filter-kit.html
Not cheap at £65.  Has anyone used it?

Also, here are details of the Hi-De-Hi filter:

The hi de hi does look the go for plunger frames and I certainly recognize the A75 filter that it uses!
On my swing arm and my race rigid, I've plumbed in proper filters in the tool box and underneath respectively, chromed for maximum bling effect.
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Peter in Aus on 15.01. 2015 07:05
Hi, BSA Bill, I have just been  looking at some of your equivalent oil filter numbers as I have just fitted one to my A7, the filter supplied with the kit was a champion H101 and I can't find a equivalent for that (or at least one that is at a reasonable price) the Wix number in the list appears to be wrong I think it might be a Wix 51352? the Wix web sight wont recognise the Champion H101 so I'm sure if it is right, the specs seem to be ok but I didn't check the thread size before I screwed it on & don't feel like screwing it of just now as it would make a  B mess & wast a lot of oil!  *eek* maybe some one can put me right on this.
I have attached a pic of where I have mounted it.
Cheers
Peter
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Ted_Flash on 15.01. 2015 07:51
I use Wix filters - the code is WL7101
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 15.01. 2015 09:01
cheers guys I'll mod the list
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: muskrat on 15.01. 2015 11:28
Hiflo Filtro HF153 or K&N KN153 Ducati filters fit those filter heads.
Cheers
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 15.01. 2015 17:16
can't find the Wix one on the list or I'm reading your posts wrong (not unknown)
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: Peter in Aus on 15.01. 2015 23:32
Hi BSA Bill, If you go into www.wixfilters.com/ and type in WL7101 it will through up the Wix 51352 so I suspect this the same filter dose that make sense?
Cheers
Peter
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: KeithJ on 20.01. 2015 08:57
That Morgo filter looks like a nice bit of kit.....Anybody know what the swivel fitting is for or how it fixes to the frame? ?
enquiring minds would like to know  *eek*

I have one of these little critters, pictured below, fitted on my B series......works well and the filter elements are from Honda dirt bike so easy to get replacements...my plumbing is a bit messy but the filter works well..

Who made this?  Looks compact.
ATB
Keith
Title: Re: Oil Filter/cartridge type
Post by: bsa-bill on 20.01. 2015 09:32
Hi Peter - yes go it , have removed from the list to prevent confusion.
Don't know why I didn't see it on there last time, I'm due the optician soon - might explain it.

Do like the look of the Morgo, funds are tight at the mo but I'm rewiring the RGF this year so maybe a good time to fit one (old Ernie just popped another £25 through my letter box this month if he can manage another couple would be nice)