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Title: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bonny on 22.07. 2010 15:37
does anyone know how come the price of stainless steel wheel rims has come down so markedly all of a sudden ? there is an advert in classic bike guide from cwc in birmingham this month offering them for 80 pounds , and leigh classics have them on fleabay for 55 pounds each or 99 pounds the pair and specifically for the a series machines .

has anyone bought any of these ? whats the quality like ? if they were ok i'd be tempted to buy a pair . 
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: mike667 on 22.07. 2010 18:27
are they US/UK made or india(or some other cheap manufacturing place) ? i have friends who have purchased the non-US/UK rims and haven't been pleased with the quality.... stainless rims here in the states are still over $300 USD for the US?UK versions

mike
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: trickytree on 22.07. 2010 20:05
Try the Devon Rim Company (http://www.devonrimcompany.com/classicrims.htm)...I have seen there work on some custom bikes and they are truly outstanding, and British made to boot.

The rims CWC sell are I believe Radielli (spl) and while I cant comment on there stainless rims the chrome rim I had some years back had a definate "hump" where it was welded (as have the flanged Akront clones on my bobber)
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: chaterlea25 on 22.07. 2010 21:21
Hi All,
I believe "Wassell" the major supplier of replica bits and sh1%e are now selling stainless rims
I saw some on fleabay, maybe somebody didnt like what he bought????

Devon rim co. rims are effin lovely *smile*
Cheers
John O R
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bsa-bill on 22.07. 2010 21:29
A certain 100 new pence shop sells stainless stuff like bowls and other kitchen bits and bobs, I bought our dog a dringing bowl and I also got a mixing bowl to use for draining the bike oil into - the dogs bowl is still OK but the mixing bowl despite being filled with oil at times has gone rusty, so "stainless" does not mean what it used to perhaps.
Could be a bit of curry powder got in the mix *conf*
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bonny on 22.07. 2010 22:28
both leigh and cwc say they are british made rims ,
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: mike667 on 22.07. 2010 22:38
Devon rim co. rims are effin lovely *smile*
Cheers
John O R

yes they are! (AND PRICEY TOO)
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: 1660bob on 23.07. 2010 08:54
I paid a small fortune for Devon Rim Co. s/s rims.They are expensive, yes, but they are also the very best,Well Posh,  and I am well pleased with them.They will be turning long after I have fallen of my perch!!!. *eek*

I believe you get what you pay for and as they say, "The quality remains long after the price is forgotten".

 As to "British Made"- the Devon Rims are all home grown. Money is made round to go round and I believe the support of any home company is a must wherever possible-look at what (industry) we have lost already..... Foreign rims may well be cheaper,but is there a hidden cost of more jobs lost in the long run?,and repeat replacement anyway-they may well stay bright in the hot  sunny climate of their origin but what about  durabilty in rain soaked, salty road Blighty-I have seen chrome almost jump off some cheaper rims almost as soon as exposed to our weather,and not all stainless is entirely rustproof, there are cheaper grades......
It would seem from what i have read that some other suppliers are a bit creative sometimes when using terms to describe their products, for instance a foreign made wheel rim could be imported as bare steel, chromed here in this country and described as a "British Chrome Rim" a play on words that is technically correct,but misleading to the customer.
"Caveat Emptor" as they say, Regards, Bob.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bsa-bill on 23.07. 2010 09:40
I'm with you on this Bob, I try to buy best I can afford and home gown if at all possible, trouble is we all have an eye for a bargain that does sometimes over-ride better judgement.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 24.07. 2010 11:34
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I also got a mixing bowl to use for draining the bike oil into - the dogs bowl is still OK but the mixing bowl despite being filled with oil at times has gone rusty, so "stainless" does not mean what it used to perhaps

OK Bill put on a pointed hat , stand in the corner and repeat 300 times,
"stainless dose not mean rustless and rustless dose not mean stainless "

And yes the price drop is because of the large tonnages of cheap steels being imported from countries like China , India , Korea & Brazil.

In each case the material is the minimum permissible standard with the maximum permissible impurity content .
Unfortunatly the crap merchants will win out and the quality steel plants will go bankrupt and we have no one to blame but our own cheap skate selves because we can't help ourself and keep buying rubbish because it is cheap and parting with money seem to be a mortal sin for Pommie bike owners .

It is the only thing that I have to admire tractor owners with.
Harley riders can find parts that are expensive enough to put on their monstrosities , pommie bike riders will scour the planet to find a part 1¢ cheaper than the bloke on the corner which is why there are Harley shops on every second street corner and Pommie bike shops are dissapearing from the face of the earth.

Gets off soap box
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: mike667 on 24.07. 2010 11:48
tell us how you really feel there Trevor!
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: gold33 on 24.07. 2010 12:17
Unfortunately Trevor is on the money here.
I am also a member of a forum (nowhere near as good) for one of my other toys, it is of German descent and slightly expensive to maintain, but, if maintained properly is reliable. Many on that forum would rather save a couple of dollars and modify a part from another manufacturer than buy the original... End result, the manufacturer will stop making parts for the model due to falling sales! If you find a quality manufacturer support them and share them before they close their doors.
Cheap Indian and Chinese stainless is the bane of every biker and boaters life, don't buy it or they'll think it's what we really want.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bsa-bill on 24.07. 2010 15:04
yep no argument from me Trev

I have learnt a lesson or three from my latest project
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: A10Boy on 26.07. 2010 12:32
As a "Pommie" owner of a "Pommie" bike, I for one dont use cheap crap wa$$el type made in china / korea / australia / india sh1te. Its just no good and only harms real and genuine manufacturers. I would rather pay proper money for proper stuff.

When I restored my japanese Z1 I paid top dollar for English [Pommie] chrome rims and stainless spokes from Central Wheel Components, cost a fortune but 6 years later are still as good as new.

The problem is, there are people who want cheapy cheapy stuff, then complain when their £2 wheel bearings fall apart after 10 miles. People who buy this rubbish are making it more difficult to get good stuff.

£$%^*((&^%^

Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: muskrat on 26.07. 2010 14:23
I agree Andy. I don't mind if other people buy the cheap stuff though as a lot of the raw material (iron ore, coal etc) comes from here and our mining sector kept us out of the world financial crisis. Glad you crossed us off your list, we make really good wagon wheels and horse shoes here.
Cheers
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: gold33 on 26.07. 2010 14:34
Note to Musky,

Don't  shod the cafe with horse shoes or wagon wheels, they might last longer but the're no good at cornering.  *smile*
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: a101960 on 26.07. 2010 16:39
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People who buy this rubbish are making it more difficult to get good stuff.

While I fully endorse that sentiment, paying top dollar in my experience is not a cast iron guarantee that you will get premium quality goods. There is plenty of expensive tat on sale at premium prices.

John
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bonny on 26.07. 2010 17:43
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People who buy this rubbish are making it more difficult to get good stuff.

While I fully endorse that sentiment, paying top dollar in my experience is not a cast iron guarantee that you will get premium quality goods. There is plenty of expensive tat on sale at premium prices.

John

i would have to agree with you john , its getting the happy medium of good value thats the hard part , hence my original post , both central wheel and leigh classics state that the rims they sell are british made , just wondering if any one here have used them , if the rims are rubbish then i wouldn't touch them , on the other hand if these companies are feeling the pinch and have simply dropped the prices of their products to get business in the door then i certainly would use them.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: iansoady on 27.07. 2010 10:17
I've just ordered a few bits on ebay from Leigh Classics and depending on the quality may well go for a set of the rims as well. I've had some absolute rubbish components which have been produced in the UK.

Whilst I accept what people are saying about low cost imports, we should remember that BSA started as an association of small gunmakers in our fair city in the 19th century - and the way most of the Birmingham companies made their money was by exporting poor quality mass produced products to the rest of the world. The old Science Museum in Newhall Street (now sadly closed) had some excellent examples.

As people say, what goes around comes around......
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 27.07. 2010 11:12
I would pose this to all .
When you ring up looking for parts, do you ask the suppliers for the best quality that they have or just ask the price ?
When we had a real Pommie bike shop in Sydney ( pop > 4,000,000 ) the owner, Max knew that I would not buy rubbish.
When I asked him if he has a part the answer oft was "yes but you won't want them", do you want me to order some better ones for you ?.
Unfortunatly my answer ( and many others I suspect ) was no all too often and now he has gone.
There are a lot more Pommie bikes in Sydney than Harleys but there are 19 shops that sell new bikes, 22 others that sell used ones and another 32  that sell aftermarket parts for Harleys and no shops that sell new Pommie parts ( although a couple will order them in if you want ).
So what dose that tell you about the relative ethics of the two different bike owners ?
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: A10Boy on 27.07. 2010 15:40
My point was that driving prices down will drive quality down with it.

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both central wheel and leigh classics state that the rims they sell are british made , just wondering if any one here have used them

Yes, as I said in my post just before yours, I had two z1 wheels relaced at Central Wheel with new British Chrome rims and 6 years later and still like new.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bonny on 27.07. 2010 16:07
My point was that driving prices down will drive quality down with it.

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both central wheel and leigh classics state that the rims they sell are british made , just wondering if any one here have used them

Yes, as I said in my post just before yours, I had two z1 wheels relaced at Central Wheel with new British Chrome rims and 6 years later as still like new.

sorry my fault , i meant used the rims , i have used central wheel before myself , i had the wheels for the 500 triumph i have rebuilt with stainless rims and spokes by them , the components seemed fine , if they are the same as their advertising for 80 quid then i certainly would use them again. 
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: A10Boy on 27.07. 2010 16:39
As I said, the new British Chrome rims supplied by CWC are still like new after 6 years
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bl**dydrivers on 08.06. 2011 22:52
Im very happy someone has asked this and Im not the only person out there whos thought about it, people have already replied with great answers and the reasons why the prices are on the cheap side.

Devon Rim Company, does some great rims and happy theyre made in UK. Just wouldnt get them as the Devon Rim Company other than Made In England stamp has some part number or serial on them as well as Trade Devon Mark stamped big on them.

Central Wheel Components Stainless arent even made in UK

SRM on the other hand, Stainless are made in UK and have Made In England stamp, but want to look into it more if they have anything else stamped on them like Devon has.

Anyone got any pics of the SRM Stainless rims?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: rocket man on 08.06. 2011 23:11
to bsa -54a10  i dont like what you put one your comment Harley riders can find parts that are expensive enough to put on their monstrosities i ride a harley davidson as well as a bsa a10 we shouldn't slag people off about what they ride there all motorcycles 


Dave   
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 09.06. 2011 14:38
Sorry if it offends. It was not meant to be offensive. Simply an observation of different attitudes towards motorcycles. And I stand by it.
I have been riding for better than 40 years and I do ride with some who prefer to ride tractors.
In all those years I have never heard one of them whine about how expensive their parts were.
OTOH my phone number is on the Club's web page so I get a lot of the general enquiries , particularly for parts.
At least once every week I get a call , tell the person who has those parts then get a reply along the lines of "I already got a quote from xxxx but he is too expensive some one has to have cheaper ones "

Now on another tack, And I do try not to be political, however;-
In a free world we should all be free to express our opinions.
If some one thinks that a particular type or brand of motorcycle is hideous then they should be allowed to say so.
If you disagree then you are also free to express your disagreement.
This is the difference between living in a free country and a fascist regime.
There are hundreds of motorcycles that I neither like nor approve of and for that matter a fair few motorcycle associations / clubs / gangs that are in the same boat. If some one else thinks that one of these is God's gift then that is their opinion. And if one of these misguided souls seeks my help I normally offer it. I have signed more petitions for stuff that I would not be caught dead doing that I care to remember. Right now I am organizing a response against council regulations restricting the riding of dirt bikes on private property on behalf of a junior rice burners club despite I find twerps endlessly riding round & round a block all day on one of the 2 stroke terrors extremely aggravating and believe there should be some reasonable restrictions.
To quote Frank
Do what you want to
Do what you will
Just don't mess up your neighbour's thrill
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bsa-bill on 09.06. 2011 16:42
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Right now I am organizing a response against council regulations restricting the riding of dirt bikes on private property

Forgive me Trevor but just how in a free world does the owner of private property not have the right to decide they don't want dirt bikes on that property other than rights of way which were about two legs not wheels.

[quote]Do what you want to
Do what you will
Just don't mess up your neighbour's thrill [/quote] or land maybe
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: trevinoz on 09.06. 2011 22:24
Bill,
      I think that you will find that the owner of the property is happy to allow the bikes but the interfering council, of which we have too many in Australia, has decided, in their collective wisdom, that the bikes may annoy someone or already has.
It is probably better to stop the kids and let them get on with their graffiti and general vandalism.

  Trev.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: BSA_54A10 on 10.06. 2011 06:22
Yes Trev has got it in one.
Councils are moving legislation to prevent YOU riding YOUR OWN motorcycle on YOUR OWN property ans / or any one else that is there with your blessings.
This is not the place for it but if you are interested you can get the story from them <kyogledirtbikeclub@hotmail.com>
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: A10Boy on 10.06. 2011 09:23
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People who buy this rubbish are making it more difficult to get good stuff.

While I fully endorse that sentiment, paying top dollar in my experience is not a cast iron guarantee that you will get premium quality goods. There is plenty of expensive tat on sale at premium prices.


While paying top dollar is not a cast iron guarantee that you will get top quality goods, paying absolute bottom dollar is a guarantee that you will get junk.

BTW, The flip side of the council / dirt bike story would seem to be that anyone could by a plot of land at the side of your house and use it for anything without restriction, whether it's noisy dirt bikes, a 24 hour a day mobile disco or any such annoyance. That just can't be right.

In the UK, the owner of the land would have to apply to the local council for "planning permission" to carry out such activities and as part of that process the council would consult the local residents and consider their objections. If valid, permission would be [quite rightly] declined. It's no use complaining about restrictions on the freedom of the individual to do anything they want no matter how annoying, the right to peaceful existence of the many has to take precedence.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: Duncan R on 10.06. 2011 11:27
I think some of the cheaper parts do serve a purpose for some owners who use their bikes purely for weekend use. It enables those with a limited budget like myself to have a fuctional bike and enjoy the pleasure of having an A10 on the road. I don't skimp on safety related items or engine parts, but I have had to resort to buying less than best quality parts to get my bike to a usable condition.

I bought my bike back form India and I have being slowly trying to put right all the years of bodging and replacing the handmade parts that kept the thing going, I have found the costs are huge. I cannot afford SRM engine rebulids and £500 wheel rebuilds (I wish I could!) So I think for a lot of owners it is a case of comprimise on price/quality to keep their bikes on the road. I fully understand the benefit of buying the best quality, but if you don't have the money there is not much you can do.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bsa-bill on 10.06. 2011 12:33

Point taken Trevor, I'm of course looking from a UK perspective.

For the last fifty years I and others have walked with/without pet dogs around the fields of the farms we live and work on, now the new owners have said they wont allow this, they are within their rights to do so, but will be making enemies from potential friends (friends they might need to get the planning permission to modify farm buildings into houses ).
I attended a public Parish council meeting to discuss the passing of this planning application, none of the councillors declared any commercial interest although I know two definitely do have.

Struggling to make any connection with this to stainless wheel rims, so I better apologise, although you know what goes around comes around *roll*
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: Slymo on 06.07. 2019 11:03
Personally I have no particular loyalty to country of manufacture except as it applies to the original parts. After market parts are a necessity if you live as far from source as those of us in NZ do and to be perfectly frank some of the stuff coming out of China and India isn't that bad. However, having recently ditched the Spanish Akront rims on my Super Rocket for a number of reasons, mostly looks but also a rather pronounced lump at the weld point. I ended up buying stainless rims from a NZ based supplier. Got two rims one a perfect fit and the other with the wrong dimple and drilling pattern. They have more coming I'm assured but its a sad sight seeing the machine in the shed polished to within a inch of its existence but with no back wheel! Not sure of the origin of these rims but the finish was so so but came up well on the buff with some green lime, trued up a treat with the only obvious downside being a pinch point in the width of the rim on the join. I'd have loved to get some original Jones rims but second hand they would have cost me a bit and chroming on top would have made them at least double the cost of the stainless ones. Do wish the second one would arrive soon though :(

Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bikerbob on 06.07. 2019 14:19
Here is an article written the BSA Star magazine in September 2012 about  Stainless Steel rims
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: Slymo on 06.07. 2019 23:27
Interesting! There are clearly a host of issues with a change in metallurgy. I shall keep an eye on spoke tensions.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: duTch on 07.07. 2019 02:59

 My front wheel bent when a concrete aggi drove over it..... *eek*

 Also worth keeping a few spare spokes on hand for when those carefully placed precast potholes get in the way  *rant*
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bl**dydrivers on 07.07. 2019 06:02
Since my last response, I’ve purchased stainless rims, spokes and nipples from Devon Rim Company back in 2016, with Brexit the US $ to UK £ exchange rate was at an all time low, really happy with the fit, finish and quality.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: Black Sheep on 07.07. 2019 06:24
I've had Devon stainless rims on my Star Twin for many years now. They are excellent.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: Craig on 10.07. 2019 04:44
Timely topic and thought I would share with you for FYI.

Purchased CWC stainless rim for the back wheel of 1960 Super Rocket. Cost £83.33
(also purchased set of stainless spokes £62.13)

Rim arrived on weekend and have now done up lacing. See the attached 2 images showing the variation in the width of the rim straight out of the box. I would say that is not very good quality

Last year I sent my A7 front hub to CWC and wanted them to do the rebuild for me. They lost the wheel - whole thing when it was finished was packaged and sent off to another customer in export shipment. Had to wait another 3 months for them to find new hub, skin the drum, powder coat it and then redo the wheel build. To be fair they did replace the whole thing and there is no issue with quality so far (done about 1,000 km since)

Think after this Super Rocket build is finished I may be looking elsewhere for rim supplier.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: muskrat on 10.07. 2019 06:41
G'day Craig.
I know that CWC has left a bad taste in your mouth but half a mm (20 thou) isn't too bad in my book. That's only 10 thou a side.
My man concern with rims is the join (can be one or two mm) and the nipple holes pointing in the right angle. If their out I'd jump.
Cheers
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: Kickaha on 10.07. 2019 07:10
I ended up buying stainless rims from a NZ based supplier.
Who did you get them through?
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: duTch on 10.07. 2019 10:44

 I forgot to say that I also bought my rims from CWC and yes there is a width variation at the join but I don't notice it at all when I'm riding, the wheels just go 'round and 'round (could be a song in that *conf2*)- and yes I do know it's not perfect but also only remember when someone brings it up.......
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: bsa-bill on 10.07. 2019 11:32
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yes there is a width variation at the join

yes same with mine duTch, but I'd rather have a bump than a weld that is invisible and to my mind not as safe (that's
not really logical and I'm pretty sure someones is gonna tell me different~)
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: RoyC on 10.07. 2019 13:59
I had my stainless wheels built at CWC and they are narrower at the weld, I was told by CWC that this is normal. MMMMMM
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: chaterlea25 on 10.07. 2019 16:31
Hi Craig,
Of more importance than the width difference, it looks like some spokes ends look a bit proud of the nipples ???
The join weld does where I can see where the ends meet does not inspire confidence  *eek*

John
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: RDfella on 10.07. 2019 21:10
Over the years I have bought steel, alloy and, latterly, stainless rims from various sources. Not impressed with CWC quality I have to say. Couple of years ago I bought a pair of stainless rims and the join was rubbish. Even with some spokes singing tight and others just off loose (which distorts drums) I couldn’t get them anywhere round. Still ¼ inch out at the weld (more pear-shaped than round). Usually in such cases I take the rim off again and do some panel beating to improve things, but one was so bad I sent it back. Don’t ever recall getting a refund. And had the same problem with them prior to that. Their general attitude leaves a bit to be desired as well. Having said that, I had a pair of stainless rims off them more recently that were OK, as were a couple of alloy rims I had this year. But my niggle with both them and Devon are their prices. If their prices truly reflect manufacturing costs plus a reasonable profit, then they need to look at their production methods rather than making snide comments about ‘cheap foreign rubbish’. That’s what BSA and all the others did when faced with Japanese bikes and look where it got them.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: coater87 on 11.07. 2019 01:32
 How much money do you save buying cwc rims compared to Devon?

 Lee
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: Slymo on 11.07. 2019 04:17
The good thing with stainless of course is that if you do get a nipple hole slightly askew a couple of strokes with a round file gets it sorted and no problem with compromised chrome.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: RDfella on 11.07. 2019 20:53
Coater - I think you'll find the prices are virtually the same.
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: duTch on 12.07. 2019 10:05

 
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Coater - I think you'll find the prices are virtually the same.

 When I needed them (~7-8 years ago) there was a significant price difference
Title: Re: stainless steel wheel rims
Post by: coater87 on 12.07. 2019 17:21

 
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Coater - I think you'll find the prices are virtually the same.

 When I needed them (~7-8 years ago) there was a significant price difference

 Me too. I did a real quick look and now they offer a "valu-tru" line for the BSA crowd, I suppose to compete with CWD rims.  *dunno*

 The roll tru series is really nice, not these horrors stories about the weld seam you hear about on other rims.

 Lee