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Title: Invisible A10s
Post by: Taffy on 17.10. 2010 00:40
I got to wondering what percentage of A10s still exist especially the rarer types RGS,S.Flash,etc.in years appart from shows I've not seen an A10 on the road being used as small Heath intended.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: RichardL on 17.10. 2010 06:09
Taffy

I was thinking a similar thing today, except, I also thought of what a lame area I live in where even grown men don't seem to know they are seeing something rare and, in my opinion, beautiful and cool. Now, that's not true of everyone. If I am at an actual motorcycle desitnation, like a dealer, there will some interest, awe and reminiscing . Maybe it's the slight customization and fresh shiny paint job that hides the fact that the motorcycle they see may be as old as they are, or, maybe, as old as their fathers are. In seventeen years of living in illinois, I have seen two other A10's, and those were at a British car and bike show. Because of friends on this forum, I often dream of riding in the British, Australian or Indian (thanks to Anji) countryside. Today I was also thinking, "Hmmm? I wonder what it would cost to ship my bike to England for a tour?" (Australia and India are not really practical goals. I have however spent six weeks in Sydney, back in the 70's, but not on a motorcycle.)

Well, that's all, for now. I know I slid around the original question quite a bit.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: muskrat on 17.10. 2010 07:14
G'day Taffy,
                   their getting thin on the ground now. Twice a month on our club ride there is usually 2 sometimes 3 A7/10's. I try to ride both of mine twice a week. I think Hubbie down in Melbourne rides his daily.
 Speaking of Melbourne, I think our Casey could have won on an A10  *smile*
Cheers
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: tombeau on 17.10. 2010 08:13
There's more Rocket Goldies  now than ever.
 *smile*
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Goldy on 17.10. 2010 09:07
As you say Taffy you see them at shows. There are a lot of people who like to polish and show them but not ride them, they are even taken to the show on a trailer. Some of them havn't even got soot up the exhaust. The other problem is value. There is an RGS on E bay at the moment Item No. 230535543699 at £15,000 has not even reached it,s reserve. If you own a bike of that value you'r not going to pop down to the shops on it.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: gold33 on 17.10. 2010 09:17
G'Day Taffy,

Mine is on the road at least twice a week on Sydneys North Shore, weather and break downs pending.
Haven't seen another on the road on my side of the bridge yet but it does attract a lot of attention. Even had people walk out onto the road way for a chat while stopped at the lights.

As to not riding due to value? apart from an RGS, A10's aren't worth as much as a new Hyundai; and why else would you own such a beautiful machine if not to ride it?
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 17.10. 2010 10:41
at £15,000 has not even reached it,s reserve. If you own a bike of that value you'r not going to pop down to the shops on it.

As the guy said about Hayundais, people pop to the shops in £30,000 cars.

People who trailer bikes to shows and are scared to blue the exhaust are suffering from a mental illness similar to that of bus-spotters, mouse fanciers and Nick Hornsby book subjects.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Taffy on 17.10. 2010 11:14
Price surely can't affect rideability most modern bikes are more valuable.The spares and skills are there as is good advice.so it's likely to be scarcity.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: trickytree on 17.10. 2010 11:21
For A10's read just about any classic bike. Theres a guy in the next village to me, less than 2 miles away, with a plunger Gold Flash and I never even knew he was there. I bumped into him at the Wolds Bikers charity night some months ago and I have never seen him or the bike before or since. There is a guy in my own village, someone I speek to quite often and who only last week came up for a chat as I was warming the bike on the drive ready to go for a ride, who apparently has a running but scruffy Gold Star in his garage. And I never knew till last week...never seen it, neither has the chap in question ever mentioned it.

I see a chap on a pre unit Trump most mornings, rain or shine, on my way to work in Grantham. Theres also a guy on a 70's Honda (500 four I think) and they are the only two classic bikes I have come across on a regular basis all summer.

Yesterday I went to Stafford classic show and was amazed at the lack of older bikes in the car park...I didnt walk around all of them but on my stroll from the gates to my bike I saw nothing remotely as elderly as my A65.

There was a thread a few weeks ago about breaking complete bikes for parts as there worth more that way. Some folk were saddened that solid ridable machines were ending up this way and I said "why not?", parts go around the classic scene and keep or put something else on the road (or more likely in the garage).

I heard a disturbing rumour yesterday from a mate in the Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club that the powers that be want to scrap year round free road tax for historic vehicles and replace it with a March to September version instead.
That will be a blow to folk like myself that ride all year round , but its doubtfull it will impact on the majority of owners...infact if they scrapped free road tax altogether most of this type of owner would be unaffected...a bike dont need taxing to sit in a fuggin garage.

Rant over *sad2*
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: iansoady on 17.10. 2010 12:11

I heard a disturbing rumour yesterday from a mate in the Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club that the powers that be want to scrap year round free road tax for historic vehicles and replace it with a March to September version instead.

I can't see why they'd bother. There can't be that many vehicles taking advantage of it and it would only add admin costs. Far more likely they'd do away with it altogether....
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: muskrat on 17.10. 2010 19:47
Down here in NSW club rego costs $50 a year. It is basically an unregistered vehical permit. In my classic club we can do club events and also have a 30 km radius for tuning & testing. So at least twice a week I have to test that they (A7 & A10) haven't developed any oil leaks  *smile*
Cheers
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Stu55Flash on 17.10. 2010 20:21
I live in a small Cambrian village and on sunny days regularly see a Gold Star and a pre-unit Triumph plus the odd VMCC run. But nothing on daily basis or in the wet.

I use my Fanny B to nip down the shops regularly and hope to do the same with the Plunger Flash when the reg number finally arrives.

Stu
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Goldseeker on 17.10. 2010 20:48
There is an RGS on E bay at the moment Item No. 230535543699 at £15,000 has not even reached it,s reserve.

I just wonder if this ridiculous classic bike price bubble is going to burst like the classic cars in the 80's.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: sinbad on 17.10. 2010 21:17
I would think so Goldseeker, Saw a Goldstar advertised in a mag by a dealer for 18,000
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Brian on 17.10. 2010 23:10
Be wary of bikes you see advertised and "sell" on the internet. Quite often these bikes do not actually sell, I have seen many sell for ridiculous prices on evil bay only to see them advertised again in a few months time. There are a lot more scams on the net than you would think.

I think Gold33 hit on a very often overlooked fact with his comparison to a Hyundai. We often think about and quote the values of our bikes but how often do we compare them to other vehicles and hobbies. Here in Aus you need to pay about $10,000 for a decent A10 which seems a lot but what else do you get for $10,000 ? A ten year old car with 100,000 plus k's on the clock, ten k wont go far if you like fishing and want a boat, go into a pro golf shop and you can easily spend that much on a set of golf clubs etc etc.

The thing is I dont think our hobby is as expensive as we think, sure there are lots of overpriced bikes like the RGS's etc but a decent A10 can be had for quite a reasonable sum and provided you look after it regardless of how much you ride it will increase in value. There are not many other hobbies that you can enjoy plus gain value on your chosen object.

Moral of the story ? Ride your bike, its good fun and comparitively cheap fun. Then we will cure the reason you dont see many on the road.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: RichardL on 18.10. 2010 00:11
Muskrat,

So I guess you can do 188 km rings around your house.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: andy2565 on 18.10. 2010 09:24
i think the prices have reach a threshold now,theres got to be loads of bikes in my village but i never see any,only thought the other day whether there was a local classic club,guess it just takes a piece of paper in the local post office and you got a local meet once a month.most of my summer is taken up maintaining and racing my grasstrack bikes,so dont get much chance to ride on the road.
  I went to stafford and agree there wasnt much brit stuff,but a chap said the april show is more brit bikes and october is better for japanese stuff,i went to pick up my a10 engine from rob wardle who did the needle and oil conversion,he does all these for JB RESTORATION,lovely bloke,conversion cost £280,plus any extra's .
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: muskrat on 18.10. 2010 11:12
G'day Richard,
 Yep there is a lot of roads in a 30K radius. At a club meet recently a member asked how long can you ride. I said I was testing the headlight so I had to ride till dark. It was 10 am at the time.
Cheers
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: mike667 on 18.10. 2010 12:12
I said I was testing the headlight so I had to ride till dark. It was 10 am at the time.
Cheers

haha i love it!
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 18.10. 2010 12:14
For A10's read just about any classic bike. Theres a guy in the next village to me, less than 2 miles away, with a plunger Gold Flash and I never even knew he was there. I bumped into him at the Wolds Bikers charity night some months ago and I have never seen him or the bike before or since. There is a guy in my own village, someone I speek to quite often and who only last week came up for a chat as I was warming the bike on the drive ready to go for a ride, who apparently has a running but scruffy Gold Star in his garage. And I never knew till last week...never seen it, neither has the chap in question ever mentioned it.

Some owners become terrified of using their bike, because of deterioration of the shine they've worked on, or they are afraid someone will criticize the bike, or it will break down, giving the lie to their boast of old bikes being fantastic.

I use my old non-BSA and it does deteriorate and wear, people do criticize it and it's been known to break down.  But if you never ride a bike, you haven't really got a bike: you've got a representation.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: a101960 on 18.10. 2010 13:22
Keeping your bike nice and shiny and riding it are not incompatible. I use my bike all the time, in fact until I retired I used to use mine for going to work on every day during the summer months. I do not ride if it is wet, and that is not because I am worried about the bike getting wet. I do not ride in the wet because I do not like getting wet myself. If I want to pop down to the supermarket I get on the bike just because it is another excuse to ride it. I do not ride during the winter months when salt is being put on the roads, but that is the only concession I make regarding the bikes appearance.

John
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Goldseeker on 18.10. 2010 17:37
The RGS on Ebay went for £15999  *eek*.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: MG on 18.10. 2010 18:17
Looks like the bikes in the UK are reaching the price niveau they have here in the German speaking area since two years *lol*
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: chaterlea25 on 18.10. 2010 21:30
Hi All,
Quiz time *ex* *ex* *ex* *ex*

Looking at the Ebay RGS ??? How  many "Wrong Bits" can you spot ???? ????

Answer's please on the back of a used £20 note *smile* *smile*

For 16K I would expect it to be 111%

Cheers
JohnO R
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: gold33 on 19.10. 2010 02:43
I use my old non-BSA and it does deteriorate and wear, people do criticize it and it's been known to break down.
Triton Thrasher, I've met some wonderful people while stopped on the side of the road retrieving runaway parts, my tail light lens fell off after a 90 mile run on Sunday... Good conversation starter. (Big thanks to Trevor for suggesting the gaffer tape in the tool kit)

As to criticism, some people are just jealous. I love getting home at the end of a good run and settling into my one handed wipe and polish routine. Other hand is usually occupied holding a nice frosty glass.

Musky, I spent a week down your way in early Sept' I'm surprised you get anything done on weekends, fantastic place to own a bike, just outside of your 30kms but I'm now a fan of South Durras and Mogo.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: muskrat on 19.10. 2010 08:03
G'day Darren,
                      yep that South Durras road is great, just watch for the Roo's. The bends between Batemans Bay & Mogo are a real race track. Should have looked me up.
 My two are built to ride not to look pretty. They still get compliments.
Cheers
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: orabanda on 19.10. 2010 10:30
Well, the good news is that A10's weren't invisible at last month's Back To Coolgardie day. We rode 4 down from Kalgoorlie (and a B31), led the parade, and parked on "BSA Corner" in Bailey Street (opposite the Denver City pub - Deja Vu because in the 50's my father would ride the plunger A10 and park it there frequently!).

15,000 people were in attendance, and Small Heath's finest was a big hit!

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Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Caretaker on 19.10. 2010 11:00
Hi orabanda, excellent post. But could you check on how to enable photobucket's thumbnail links to avoid using full size pictures in the post. See http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php/topic,2545.0.html

Thanks
e
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: orabanda on 19.10. 2010 11:29
E,
No worries; sorry mate!
The Kalgoorlie Kid
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: A10Boy on 21.10. 2010 16:12
In my area [Solihull, west mids about 4 miles from small heath] theres a guy 150 yards down the road who rides a 70s Bonnie most days. Theres another guy round the corner whos got an Ariel 650 Huntmaster and a B31 regularly used. Theres another chap with a Tiger 110, dont see him very often, and another chap on a mint plunger A10. My own A10 is out most weekends and weekdays after work weather permitting, and I also use my AJS, both bikes are used road bikes not show pieces.

We have a Classic Meet for cars and bikes at a local Farmshop carpark [Becketts Island A435 South of Birmingham] and you can see maybe 12 - 15 Beezers ridden in there at any one time - I take mine. But I am dismayed at the lack of attention the younger people show to our old classics, they dont seem to be on their radar at all. They seem more intersted in their crappy little cars with stupid loud "silencers" and fluffy dice.  *sad2*

I also went to the stafford show [in my car as I was after parts], sat for an hour in the traffic and only saw about 5 brit bikes pass me. next year I WILL go on the BSA.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Goldseeker on 21.10. 2010 16:39
Hi All,
Quiz time *ex* *ex* *ex* *ex*

Looking at the Ebay RGS ??? How  many "Wrong Bits" can you spot ???? ????

Answer's please on the back of a used £20 note *smile* *smile*

For 16K I would expect it to be 111%

Cheers
JohnO R


Do tell as I'm interested even if no one else is.  ;)
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: chaterlea25 on 21.10. 2010 21:49
HI Gold seeker,
I am probably now going to experience the "Wrath" of the new owner   *eek*
I thought there would be some expert replies  *conf* *conf*

1) Rear mudguard stays should be arrowhead, something weird going on with the seat/mudguard bracket'(s) as well
2) wrong headlamp mounts (slotted hole) A65???
3)centre stand??? or has it had lumps welded onto the feet???, anyway there should be a bolt threaded in for your toe instead of a welded on spike
4)Pre 59 seat
5)incorrect shape rear number plate? (theres a semicircular bit at the bottom for a reflector??)

If you look at pic 5 on the ebay set of pics one cylinder base nut is nicely "chewed" !!! and a white cable tie on the front brake cable *eek*

For 16k on a "no expence spared" resto I would expect better!!!

These are my own observations from the photos on ebay  and I would welcome comments / corrections

Cheers
John O R
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: trevinoz on 21.10. 2010 22:32
My turn,
               Rear guard and stays, generator, horn, light switch, carburetor, instrument mount, seat, tail light bracket, ammeter, sleeve nut near generator missing, chromed "ski slope", fuel taps, speedometer.
Instruments are in reversed positions and centre stand appears to be from an A65.
I couldn't quite make out the headlight ears.
For that sort of money I would expect the bike to be perfect!
  Trev.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: A10Boy on 22.10. 2010 11:34
Should have gone to Cake Street Classics!
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Retired Fireman on 01.11. 2010 08:57
Muskrat and me know why A10's are invisible in OZZ it's simple allow A10 owners access to high powered hand guns with immunity from prosecution if you shoot and kill anyone you catch theiving your bike and we might display them a bit more!! I have a fair few bikes that are very different, a H.D. road King with cruise control and heated hand grips! If I wanted to ride somewere in a hurry I'll jump on the RoadKing and hit the highway and enjoy the ride, BUT riding my 1957 Gold Flash with all my camping gear strapped on and heading for a Rally with plenty of time to spare is a different kind of enjoyment. I have rode that old bike 700k's a day plus for 3 days just sitting on 100k's (65MPH) many times. Last year I rode it for 2 weeks to the Nat Rally in Victoria through snow and over the Snowy Mountains then back home the long way along the coast. The flash does nothing great it just does everthing GOOD and that why they are such a good bike, admittedly mine has some modifications to make it oil tight and more reliable but the basic concept is unchanged. People ask me which one of my bikes is my favourite my answer is always NONE they all do things differently and I enjoy them all because of this. I have a few A10's that are made from bits some people poo poo bikes like that but I don't cause I saved them, they are not scattered parts they are BIKES now it's like getting a dog from the pound you have saved one, if you buy from a breeder he will breed another to replace it. Some one else can buy a restored bike I have saved a couple. Now for a refill!
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: alanp on 01.11. 2010 12:42
Crikey! My RGS rep is more correct than the real thing on ebay??? Only worth a fraction of its value though, but I don't care, we ride as a classic group at least twice a week and have great fun.
Alan
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: Stephen Arsenal on 08.11. 2010 16:08
I live in germany,I have never seen a BSA on the road.I drove to work last summer usually only takes 17 minutes by push bike,takes almost an hour pushing an broken down A10.That happened about 5 times,my boss was understanding,but I needed to go back home and shower as I was drenched with sweat.Next summer it will change as forum member MG kindly has my engine in Austria,and the guy knows his stuff.So next summer,every day to work,and no need to take a bar of soap.
Title: Re: Invisible A10s
Post by: magicflem on 09.11. 2010 09:36
As far as I am concerned motorcycles have wheels on them for one reason and one reason only.... TO BE RIDDEN!!
I have 1956 BSA A10 Road Rocket, 1953 BSA A10 Golden Flash, 1956 BSA DB32 Gold Star Clubman, 1960 BSA C15 Star, 1955 BSA A10 Golden Flash and (as many see them) the Holy Grail of A10s a 1961 BSA Rocket Gold Star - All get ridden, and ridden hard.
They are all great bikes in their own way and all have their problems... but at the end of the day they are my passion and for my enjoyment.
Enough said, sorry for going on.