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Title: High rise western bars
Post by: lawnmowerman on 26.10. 2010 12:46
Hi all

I am just about to order a set of export bars for my SR as I feel that they will give a more comfortable riding position.
I would appreciate any advice from anybody who has made the conversion regarding sourcing of good quality bars and longer cables, lengths and type, and any problems which I am likely to encounter.
I read on earlier forums that high performance cables are available, possibly with a nylon cored outer which do not have barrels directly soldered on the end but have pear shaped nipples which allow rotation of the inner cables as they stretch, avoiding premature failure. I usually buy my parts from Lyford Classics and was thinking of getting the bars from ther unless anyone can suggest a better source.
I have a bar end mirror at the moment but I would like to replace it with a mirror on a stalk so it does not stick out so far as the bar end - thoughts on that would also be appreciated.

Jim
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Pete Gray on 26.10. 2010 13:09
Here's a shot from the back of my A7 with the export bars on which I have the bar end mirror still fitted.
They were genuine BSA part purchased from a stand at Stafford.
I don't know if the cables are extra length but I would imaging Lyford can advise.
The bars give a very comfortable ride and have caused me no problems to date. I swivel the mirror up if encountering tight spaces/traffic jams etc.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Goldy on 26.10. 2010 15:04
I bought export bars from one of the shows and they are provide a very comfortable riding position. I measured the individual cable lengths and ordered them from JJ cables.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Beezageezauk on 26.10. 2010 21:15
Hi Jim, 

I put some high rise bars on one of my A10's.  They are genuine BSA "Western" bars with part number 42-4968 stamped on them (under the throttle).

They make the bike very comfortable for distance work but, somehow, it doesn't feel like I'm riding a BSA and I can't make up my mind if I like them or not.  I guess it just takes a bit of getting used to something different and some perseverance is required.

Beezageezauk
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: lawnmowerman on 28.10. 2010 17:32
Thanks

I have ordered some four inch rise western bars from Lyford Classics but I still need to source front brake, clutch and possibly throttle cables. I will measure lengths when I have fitted the bars.
In previous posts I have read about teflon coated outer with marine grade stainless wire inners with drilled barrels and pear nipples to allow torsional rotation of the inners. Does anybody know where to source these in the UK? I did a Google serach and Venhill came up but they seem to focus on modern bikes - has anybody tried them for A10s?
I have spoken to JJ cables and they can supply the teflon coated outer but cannot use marine grade inner as it is not possible to solder and fittings need to be swaged on. The pear nipple and drilled barrels can be supplied as an option.
Is it worth worrying about marine grade stainless inners or should I stick with galvanised?

Jim
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: beezalex on 28.10. 2010 18:36
You know...it's funny:  I've given away or tossed scores of the infernal things...and here you guys are looking for them.  Wish I'd known.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: andy2565 on 28.10. 2010 19:06
i use the universal venhill cables all the time for my race bikes but i'm not sure if their fittings are correct for a bsa,but you could reuse the adjusters from your old cables,if theyre usable.cheers andy
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Big Nick on 30.10. 2010 08:58
i love them!
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: lawnmowerman on 05.11. 2010 15:50
The western bars arrived from Lyfords but they do not look anything like the ones shown in the pics on the replies in this topic although I was assured that they were made to the original BSA spec. They look more like what we used to call "cowhorns" back in the day whereas the ones shown in the pics look like low rise ape hangers. Perhaps there were options from BSA.
I bolted them on the bike and they do feel quite comfortable but the front brake and cutch cables were a bit tight. Being as the front brake is a 2LS A65 I thought it would be safer to send both cables off to JJ Cables so that they can make longer ones with the correct fittings so I need to wait for the cables to come back before I can give it a road test.
The front brake needed to be +2" and the clutch needed to be +3".

Jim
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Beezageezauk on 05.11. 2010 21:09
Hi again Jim,

Did you order your high bars for an A10 Super Rocket??  If so, Lyfords have probably sent you part number 42-4995 which, by the parts book, is correct for your bike.  This could be the reason your new bars don't look like those in the pictures.

Checking the parts book it shows Handlebars (Western) for A Group (42-4968) and Handlebars (Western) for A10 Super Rocket (42-4995).

42-4995 is also listed for the 500 Flash, A7SS, Royal Tourist and Spitfire Scrambler models.

With not knowing much about the export models I'm only putting 2 and 2 together on this one and hopefully coming up with 4.

Beezageezauk.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: lawnmowerman on 06.11. 2010 17:21
Hi Beeza

I just asked Pat at Lyfords for a set of western 4" rise bars but I guess that she knows my bike from her records so has sent the correct SR version. They do look a little odd as the handgrips point upwards rather than level or downwards. To get them level would mean angling the bars backwards a fair amount which might be ok but difficult to tell until I get the cables back from JJ so I can give it a test ride. Hope the cables come back before the salt goes down!

Jim
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Beezageezauk on 06.11. 2010 19:00
Yes Jim,

That's what she's done.  The diagram in my parts book shows the handlebar ends for the S/R type going upwards at each end.

Beezageezauk.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: BrianS on 01.05. 2018 10:56
Hi Jim, 

I put some high rise bars on one of my A10's.  They are genuine BSA "Western" bars with part number 42-4968 stamped on them (under the throttle).

They make the bike very comfortable for distance work but, somehow, it doesn't feel like I'm riding a BSA and I can't make up my mind if I like them or not.  I guess it just takes a bit of getting used to something different and some perseverance is required.

Beezageezauk

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I am looking to make my A10 a tad "bigger". The current bars are quite low and there is quite an angle at the grips which make them a bit uncomfortable.

I am struggling to work out what replacement to buy and I guess the only way I will ever know if I made the right buying decision is when they are fitted!

Just a couple of questions:
What does "Western" mean in bar descriptions?
What is "handlebar pull back"?

My current bars have a 4" rise and are 27" wide.

I am looking to get bars with a 7" rise and probably about 32" wide.

The nearest I have found using Beezageezauk's part number is here http://www.britbikes.co.uk/bsa-western-type-handlebar---a7-a10-a50-a65-spitfire--scrambler---42-4968-2404-p.asp (http://www.britbikes.co.uk/bsa-western-type-handlebar---a7-a10-a50-a65-spitfire--scrambler---42-4968-2404-p.asp)

Presumably I will be looking for longer brake cables. Does any UK supplier sell these off the shelf?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Brian
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: cyclobutch on 01.05. 2018 13:11
I went with earlier (but unit) export Bonneville bars on mine. Wide and with a good rise and with a fair amount of pull back, but not like those mini apes they wore by the late 70s.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: BrianS on 01.05. 2018 13:22
Here are a couple of photos of my current bars which I hope will show how swept and narrow back they are!

Is pull back the angle of the grip section as it bends toward the rider?
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: morris on 01.05. 2018 13:35
I have these and absolutely love them;

https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/ABM-Superbike-Handlebars-Steel-0084-0-7-8in-30-5-16in-4-1-8in-4-13-32In-/263166795272?nav=SEARCH

Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: jachenbach on 01.05. 2018 13:46
Comfortable bars are mostly a function of the riders size.At 5'7", I change most every bike to lower bars. A method of determining what works, which I read somewhere years ago, is to sit on the bike with eyes closed. Get comfortable. With eyes closed reach for bars. Open your eyes and get bars with grips 1" farther forward and 1" lower than your hands. This has worked well for me for many years. Unless a fairing or large windscreen is fitted, in which case totally upright is comfortable.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: duTch on 01.05. 2018 17:18

 Handlebars can be a headache/nightmare.
What is good on one bike may not be good on another even similar bike. There's a guide in the link below that gives a guide of pullback etc.

 I was looking for some replacement bars for my Gutzzi, and the closest I can find is Norton 06-1066 (put mine against a set in a shop), but the pricks I bought from (classicbritishmotorcycles *bash*) sent some brumby piece of junk that does nothing, although I did also buy a second very nice BSA bars like I have on my Plunger in Stainless but are just wrong for the Gutzzi (too low,I had to knock up another seat !!)


 I've never bought anything from these guys, but have a look at the guide;
 https://www.classicbikeshop.co.uk/norton-commando-us-models-handlebars.html (https://www.classicbikeshop.co.uk/norton-commando-us-models-handlebars.html)



 I bought two sets of nice bars from below and they are fine but one is wrong (not even stainless) and no exchange seems they've changed ownership and gone to crap; a search brings up lots of unhappy results.
  https://classicbritishmotorcycles.com/index.php?seo_path=norton-commando-fastback-roadster-interstate-stainless-steel-handlebars-usa-style
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: BrianS on 01.05. 2018 19:12
Thanks guys!

However, I am still confused about the pull back on the diagram here https://www.classicbikeshop.co.uk/media/wysiwyg/Handlebar_measurment_1.jpg (https://www.classicbikeshop.co.uk/media/wysiwyg/Handlebar_measurment_1.jpg)

I somehow thought it might be how far back the tips of the bars might be from the bars when in an upright position. The diagram seems to indicate that it is the width of a part of the bars but measured from where?  *conf*
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: duTch on 01.05. 2018 19:41

 
Quote
.....I somehow thought it might be how far back the tips of the bars might be from the bars when in an upright position. The diagram seems to indicate that it is the width of a part of the bars but measured from where? 

 I know it's confusing and maybe all hypothetical, but the way I see it in #5 is from the front of the bar at the clamps to the tip of the bar when the bar- handle end is horizontal..
 I'm not sure if that's the same one I looked at 4 years ago and updated, or a totally different diagram, I'm sure I saw more than one and one was better than other(s)

 My bar looks like same as morris's- depending how I look at 'em *eek*
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: morris on 01.05. 2018 21:35
I somehow thought it might be how far back the tips of the bars might be from the bars when in an upright position. The diagram seems to indicate that it is the width of a part of the bars but measured from where?  *conf*

I'd say that pullback is measured by keeping a straight ruler upfront against the bars and measure the distance between the ruler and the end of the bar. Will need four hands to do that though.
The Norton bars shown in the link with their 6" seem to have a lot of pullback.
But as said, a lot depends on what you're comfortable with.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Rocket Racer on 09.06. 2020 23:25
54 rr
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Jules on 10.06. 2020 02:43
ha ha Rocket man, that guy looks soooo unco….riding that bike with those bars!!
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: Rocket Racer on 10.06. 2020 02:53
ha ha Rocket man, that guy looks soooo unco….riding that bike with those bars!!
I hear you, have always preferred flatter bars myself but do own a 54RR so planning to stick with the western bars to keep it as original as possible. I must admit that while I have bsa's with clip ons, and others with low bars, my 71 lightning has some non standard high bars that are even more extreme than the US Road rocket.
I do own that magazine too !
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: ianbsa on 28.06. 2020 10:23
Got these from Kidderminster Motorcycles a few years ago, very comfortable for gentle touring.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: cyclobutch on 29.06. 2020 08:52
Got these from Kidderminster Motorcycles a few years ago, very comfortable for gentle touring.

Liking the throttle lock on that. Never seen one before.
Title: Re: High rise western bars
Post by: ianbsa on 29.06. 2020 09:28
Got these from Kidderminster Motorcycles a few years ago, very comfortable for gentle touring.

Liking the throttle lock on that. Never seen one before.

Thks. Found it brand new in box at Kempton years ago...Wipac I think. Just adds another layer with the yoke lock and a wheel chain. I love all those funny little period correct aftermarket parts.