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Title: Negative effects of ethanol
Post by: bikerbob on 06.02. 2011 17:45
Hi there
Have been doing some research on this topic and I am now quite worried to the extent that I went to see my local MP about it who was very sympathetic and promised to write to the Minister  of Transport about it.
So what am I worried about, well I have 2 bikes both with petsealed tanks which as you may already know will be dissolved by Ethanol it also dissolves some fibreglass tanks. I have found that some people have already had disastrous problems such as carb throttle valve seizing  inlet valves seizing to the extent that the push rods bent needing a complete strip down of the cylinder head and a lot of work to rectify. Now you might think that okay I don't have a sealed tank or a fibre glass tank so I will be okay. Wrong there is alist materials that are not recommened for use with EthanolI will give you some. Zinc, Brass, Copper, Aluminium, Lead/Tin Viton, Neoprene, Nylon 66, Cork. Now while the effects on some tank sealants and some fibreglass tanks is immediate the possible longer term effects on these other materials I cannot find an answer to.  Bear in mind that our carbs have Zinc bodies brass jets copper floats that are soldered and cork seals in the petrol taps. I have asked my MP to try to get it made compulsory for all fuel stations label all pumps with the level of Ethanol, to delay any further implementation of Ethanol until more research is done into the negative effects and a major publicity campaign to make the public aware of the dangers to some vehicles. It does not bear thinking about if you are riding your bike and your carb throttle valve sticks because of Ethanol dissolving the sealant in your tank. GO to www.fbhvc.co.uk and in the information panel click on Bio-fuels and read the article.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: Goldy on 06.02. 2011 18:45
Well done I have been meaning to look into this for some time but have not got round to it. As you say it,s more concerning than was at first thought.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: lawnmowerman on 06.02. 2011 18:57
Well done Bob - I think that we all need to write to our MPs about this. I am experiencing no end of problems due to dissolved petseal and dissolved rubbers in the fuel taps.
I am currently running on Avgas which is ethanol-free but is illegal for road use and costs me £2.00 per litre.
I am sure that we can still meet our carbon and lead targets if leaded ethanol free petrol was still available at the pumps for historic vehicles - possibly a permit could be issued. Historic vehicles must be an insignificant proportion of the total vehicle population. Modern vehicles are designed for ethanol unleaded and if leaded ethanol free was priced accordingly there there would be no incentive for modern car drivers to use it.
My other worry is my 1938 Wolseley car. I have already fitted and unleaded head, replaced the fuel lines and pump and the brass floats in the carbs - seems strange that they have lasted 73 years and suddenly developed holes in them when ethanol was introduced resulting in flooding and fuel cascading over a hot engine. I suppose the next thing is that the fuel tank will start leaking and I will have to get a stainless one made.  *rant*

Jim
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: lawnmowerman on 06.02. 2011 19:13
This may be a way ahead;

"As stated in Parliament by the Leader of the House of Commons, Sir George Young, on 2 December 2010, online petitions to the Coalition Government will be moving to DirectGov in 2011.

In line with the commitments in the Programme for Government published in May 2010, e-petitions that receive 100,000 signatures or more will be eligible for debate in Parliament.

Cabinet Office, Directgov and the Office of the Leader of the House of Commons are working together on the implementation of this system and further announcements will be made soon.

We continue to issue responses to petitions that had exceeded the 500-signature threshold as of 6 April 2010, when the e-petitions system was suspended ahead of the 2010 general election, and these can be viewed on the HMG e-petitions responses page."

Jim
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: alanp on 06.02. 2011 19:40
I hope I'm wrong but, nothing will be done until someone can show it is a danger for MODERN CAR drivers. We don't count. No one in authority has the guts to go against the 'we are all doomed global warming/climate change brigade'. Don't you just wish car fuel tanks were fibreglass? You wouldn't see Ethanol anywhere near petrol then. I expect this is all EU driven so don't hold your breath.
Meanwhile, we need to do whatever we can to help ourselves by replacing parts in contact with fuel with more resistant materials, whatever they may be. Replacing fuel taps with the brass taper body type to avoid rubber/cork seals is a start. The affect on brass is slow/minimal so an annual check and clean should be ok. Also drain out fuel from the tank and carbs if the bike isgoing to be laid up unused for say over a month. My fuel pipes seem to still flow ok but I would be interested in some genuine ethanol resistant pipes to be on the safe side if anyone knows a supplier. My plastic carb. float isn't distorted - yet.  
Whenever alternatives crop up we need to pass the word around.
Rant over.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: Goldy on 06.02. 2011 20:53
I would not assume the old vehicle movement to be doomed. You may remember when in the uk we were given free (historic vehicle) road tax. The reason for this, was so that everyone would come forward with details of old vehicles stored in sheds and garages and the registration details would be entered on to the driver vehicle computer. Then when leaded fuel became unavailable in the year 2000,  all these old vehicles would be finished. The Governement would then have all the registration numbers ready for sale. But it did not happen, why, because the Government realised that the old vehicle movement employed thousands of people. You only have to look at the old bike mart newspaper which used to be one sheet and is now nearly 60 pages, full of people providing all types of old bike services. So don,t assume that the Governmet will be happy to see the back of us all, they won,t, so keep lobbying.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: lawnmowerman on 06.02. 2011 21:18
Call me Mr Cynical but I reckon if the "Elf an Safety" mob get a whiff of the fact that historic vehicle drivers are driving around in or on potential firebombs they will probably introduce a whole raft of new legislation, possibly part of the MOT, to introduce new inspection and certification to ensure that everything is upgraded to cope with ethanol attack.
Still - should create some new jobs for the boys  ;)

Jim
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: Goldseeker on 07.02. 2011 12:40
I expect this is all EU driven so don't hold your breath.

In part, you are right but don?t underestimate the interests of the petrol supply industry, Ethanol diluted petrol becomes cheaper to supply with ever-larger dilution levels. That of course will not mean that the 'end price' will be any cheaper, just suppliers becoming richer.

I am convinced that this is more driven by greed than need simply because the EU directive 2009/30/EC does not specify the percentage of Ethanol content. It only specifies the MAXIMUM permissible content which suggests that so long as there is some Ethanol added, the directive is satisfied.

There is a 54-page report, Qinetiq/10/02471, that states that the majority of vehicles 10 years and older will NOT be compatible with E10 fuel (10% Ethanol) due to fuel system materials incompatibility.
That is a huge proportion of vehicles currently on British streets, possibly as many as 9 million! according to the report. Personally, I think it could be many more.
Newer SIDI (spark-ignition direct-injection) vehicles will also be affected. Then there are the millions of petrol powered industrial, amenity and garden machines most with carburetters, this problem has enormous consequences.

(Information extracted from an article in the VMCC Journal)
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 07.02. 2011 15:45
Hi there
Thanks for the quick responses. I will tell you what I told my MP which is I do not think we as a minority group we will be able to stop Ethanol being introduced because it is a European Directive and once they get involved well the UK government has their hands tied. But what we have to concentrate on is the real damage that can occurr, also the real risks to riders as I have already stated it has already happened about carb seizures and fuel tank leaks. This problem can only get worse as the biking season approaches how many riders out there do not know of the risks, I had never known until last December until I read the article in the Bsa club magazine  about the damge caused to a members A10 RGS replica a  bike he had obviously spent a vast amount of money on the restoration getting his engine done professionally only to find before he can get it on the road his carb seizes, his inlet valves seize in the guides causing the push rods to bend quite badly. Why should he have to pay and indeed why should anyone of us have to pay for damage to our bikes caused by something that we have had no control over or been informed of about the very real serious risks that could easily result in serious injury or worse. What I want is a delay in the introduction of Ethanol until more proper research is carried out Compulsory notices on all fuel pumps delivering Ethanol and major publicity campaign to make everyone more aware of the serious risks of Ethanol addition which can result in serious injury or worse. As for modern vehicles you may not be aware that Ducati Motorcycles are being sued in America because the fibreglass tanks on their new bikes is turning to jelly because of Ethanol and under their warranty they are replacing them with exactly the same tanks and it onl takes alittle over 2thousand miles for this to happen. Also their are alot of boats both here and America that have fibreglass tanks it seems that if the fibreglass is resin based then ETHanol has a detrimental effect but is okay if it is plastic based but how would you know.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: brackenfel on 07.02. 2011 17:50
Let's get the pumps labled with the ethanol content first.. In this way we can minimise the potential damage by choosing the lowest levels available in our area.

If our bikes are still affected then we can provide evidence that we purchased fuel from a given supplier with a given ethanol content which resulted in damage being caused.. Maybe then the FBHVC or a similar lobby group could sponsor a test case (or maybe a number of coordinated cases) to try the principle of suing for damages.. Faced with potentially successful law suits from a wide variety of consumer groups the suppliers may respond more quickly....
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 11.02. 2011 16:23
Hi there
Just an update I have today recieved a letter from my MP in which he says he has forwarded my letter of concern to the minister the Rt.Hon Philip Hammond MP and will contact me again when he recieves a reply. So hopefully something will get done. I did visit my MP and gave him my letter, he was very sympathetic having in his youth owned 2 BSA,s aC11g and a C15 and having an engineering background he understood the carb and engine problems.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 28.02. 2011 18:37
Hi there. just an update.
 In the March copy of the BSA magazine there is an update which does not make good reading. A report commissioned from QinetiQ ( a provider of technical advice to customers such as Government orginisations) by the Ministry of Transport was published in January. Briefly it found that the majority of vehicles 10years or older will not be compatible with E10 due to fuel system material incompatibilty issues. ( fuel containing 10% ethanol).
 Carburettor vehicles and powered two wheelers will suffer problems due to material incompatibilty,corrosion and drivability issues also it goes on to say that fibre glass tanks may suffer failure due to incompatibility of the glass fibre resin with Ethanol petrol blends.
 It recommends that vehicles 10 years or older, carburettored  vehicles and first generation direct spark ignition vehicles  should not be fuelled on E10 (10% ethanol) unless manufactures state otherwise. The present 5% ethanol content should not phased out in 2013 it's widespread availibility should continue for the foreseeable future and consideration should be given E0 (no ethanol) fuel for historic and vintage vehicles.
Partly as a result of this report, the FBHVC have concluded from a lengthy legislation document, that fuel with 5% ethanol will be around until 2015, with the suggestion of low ethanol fuel for historic vehicles. Before the report was published the Department of Transport 's position was that the phasing out of E5% fuel after 2013 to be replaced by E10% was a firm one.
 So it does not look very good for the future already there are problems with the 5% never mind increasing it to 10%.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: muskrat on 28.02. 2011 19:10
G'day Bob,
              at least they are aware of the problem, that's a start. Is ALL your petrol E5 up there? Down here we started with E10 but 95 and 98 octane is ethanol free.
 Our new Holden's (your Vauxhall's) can run on E85 as well as petrol.
Cheers.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 28.02. 2011 19:55
That is the problem it is supposed to be, but there is no label on the pumps to let you know so you have to find out the hard way I would reckon that when the better weather comes some people are in for a shock as there has not been any publicity to let people know the possible problems that they might face.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: chaterlea25 on 28.02. 2011 20:20
HI All,
I wonder how much ethanol it takes to have the effect that happened to me the other day?
I was washing out an oil tank with some ""petrol"
I tipped the tank contents into an oildrain tray which had some some oil in the bottom, I had cut the top from a 25 litre drum to make a bin and drained the remains of the oil into the tray, there may have been some water contamination in the tray???
Later  when I happened to look at the tray contents it had turned into a creamy emulsion???
This would suggest quite a high ethanol content????
Of course the bastards here dont tell us what % ethanol is in the only grade of unleaded thats available????

Regards
John O R
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: lawnmowerman on 28.02. 2011 22:19
Hi Bob

Things do not look so bad - at least they are considering E0 for classics. If the govermnent has been advised there will be a problem with E10 dissolving fibreglass tanks then surely E5 will still be a problem although it will take longer to manifest itself. Meanwhile I will continue to run on avgas.

Jim
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 01.03. 2011 09:14
Hi there
The problems that are coming to light at the moment are to do with Ethanol dissolving certain tank sealants and also some fibreglass tank resins with their obvious dangers. But Ethanol also has a corrosive effect on some metals & materials such as copper brass zinc cork  viton all used in carburettors. So how long will it take to say corrode your petrol tap filter in your tank or the cork seal in the tap or the viton tip on the float needle or the carb jets.  I would think that these will be probably be in the longer term but how long, and also if the percentage of Ethanol increases then this can only make things worse. I am not holding out much hope for petrol with no Ethanol in for classic vehicles when you think back to the introduction of unleaded petrol how long did filling stations keep the lead replacement pumps going not long, okay we have an additive we can use or replacement valve seats but there is no cure at the moment that I have heard of that combats the effects of Ethanol.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: a101960 on 01.03. 2011 10:35
Assuming that ethanol free petrol is permitted there is then the problem of who is going to stock it. 4 star leaded petrol may still be legally sold in the UK, but finding a garage that actually sells it is very difficult indeed. I think that most petrol stations will not want to know. The only solution would be for it to be made mandatory for at least one outlet in every town to sell non ethanol fuel. Problem is how do you enforce that?

John
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 01.03. 2011 12:21
There is something surprising about the claims above that 10% ethanol attacks cork.

(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.designcognition.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2Fwine-bottle-cork.jpg&hash=5e09e3d5be792b43d69bd21a0c48ee8e)

Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: lawnmowerman on 01.03. 2011 12:22
I guess that garages will stock it provided that there is a demand and a healthy profit so if it is stocked then be prepared to pay a hefty premium - avgas is £2.00 per litre at the moment!

Jim
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: lawnmowerman on 01.03. 2011 12:23
Nice one TT  *smile*

Jim
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 01.03. 2011 15:52
Hi there
To Triton Thrasher if you look at my original post on this subject you will see a link to the Historic Vehicle owners site where you will find that Ethanol reacts differently depending on wether it is mixed with petrol or diesel. So obviously alcohol and grapes is okay for cork.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: sinbad on 01.03. 2011 16:52
Hi, just for information dragonfly are now advertising tank sealer rated to withstand 100% ethanol.Sorry if its old news haven't been on for a while. Cheers
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bsa-bill on 01.03. 2011 17:52
Quote
Hi, just for information dragonfly are now advertising tank sealer rated to withstand 100% ethanol.Sorry if its old news haven't been on for a while

Got to give them full marks for the given name - "Slosh", pour it in and "do what it says on the tin "
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 01.03. 2011 22:14
Ethanol is  pretty unreactive if you don't set it on fire.

How does it react with zinc and brass?
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: iansoady on 02.03. 2011 11:45
There is something surprising about the claims above that 10% ethanol attacks cork.

(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.designcognition.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2Fwine-bottle-cork.jpg&hash=5e09e3d5be792b43d69bd21a0c48ee8e)



Indeed. Not to mention the fact that Cleveland Discol (remember it?) was sold on the strength of its containing alcohol (ethanol). And sprint bikes have run on methanol (yes I know it's not quite the same) for donkey's years.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: alanp on 02.03. 2011 13:38
Just received in the post a catalogue from Frost, the restorer equipment people (www.frost.co.uk),and it is now selling some additive for petrol tanks to protect against all the nasties we have been talking about. I've added a photo of the page showing this stuff. I have no idea if it makes us immune from these problems but I expect I'll order some to at least try to do something to save myself grief.
 
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 02.03. 2011 16:00
Hi there
Thanks alamp for that information about Ethomix have sent the company an email asking for more information particularly wether it prevents petrol tank sealants from dissolving and also fibreglass, also wether it is compatible with Castrol Valvemaster lead replacement additive.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: Goldy on 02.03. 2011 17:11
We have lead replacement additive, ethanol protection additive, what next fuel additive additive additive? I have been attempting to find the ethanol content of the petrol I buy but it seems impossible even though I seem to remember reading that it must be displayed.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: muskrat on 02.03. 2011 19:13
G'day all,
            how is it mixed up there? Down here the tanker arrives at the servo with petrol in one compartment and ethanol in another. It then dumps 9000 gal petrol and 1000 gal ethanol into the servo tank. So the attendant at the servo should know the % ethanol content. It is law here to display the % and all servo's do.
 E10/91 has just hit $1.35 per Lt, 95 is $1.45 and 98 is $1.50. I get 20Km/Lt on the '51 A7, 15Km/Lt on the Cafe and 10Km/Lt out of the Rhonda all on 98 oct.
 Cheers.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: a101960 on 02.03. 2011 19:51
In the UK there is no legal requirement to label pumps, and anything that is sold for motor fuel is automatically taxed as motor fuel, be it water thin air or anything else. Basically anything can be dumped into the tanks so long as the government gets its revenue. The only check on fuel that is carried out, are Customs & Excise checks and that is only to ensure the pumps are calibrated correctly. The characteristics of the fuel are not part of this check. Strangely with beer the specific gravity is tested ( the higher the alcohol level then the more you pay in tax). Octane rating on petrol does not affect tax. Higher octane petrol is more expensive but that is due to the price charged by the supplier.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: muskrat on 03.03. 2011 08:45
Blinded by the Bull S#@t then. I thought our pollies were bad!!
Cheers
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: olev on 04.03. 2011 09:30
I don't think it matters.
Like it or not we are going to learn to run our bikes on ethernol - or something other than straight petrol.
In 10 years time, if you can buy it, straight petrol will be 20 bucks a litre.

Modern oils apparently aren't suitable for our engines. We fit filters.
Unleaded petrol isn't suitable for our engines. We fit valve inserts and alter the jetting.
We adapt.
Given time, advice from experienced people and a bit of trial and error we'll be running our beesa's on 100% ethernol and loving it.

We may have to stick our plastic tanks on the shelf and use tins.
We may have to learn what bits get eaten by the green juice and replace them with bits that are vaccinated against it.
So, we have to modify our bikes again. So what. The only factory original bikes you see these days arrive and leave on a trailer anyhow.
This does not just affect BSAs. There are some very clever people out there who will come up with solution(s)
 
With petrol rationing during the second world war they ran engines on all sorts of stuff.
cheers

Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: iansoady on 04.03. 2011 11:09
Well said.

Whatever happens we can't expect oil companies or governments to look after a tiny minority like us.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: madsens on 04.03. 2011 11:21
HI

Maybe this would be an alternative to Ethanol - Danish Nimbus 1939 with woodburning Gas generator (WW2)...

Joergen
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: cyclobutch on 04.03. 2011 12:37
Well I'm seeing various companies advertising ethanol proof sealants now.

Is anyone selling universal tank sealant remover ? (Yeah I know - try ethanol)
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: muskrat on 04.03. 2011 12:59
Yes, well put Olev. But we will need extra pannier type fuel tanks. When running methanol in the A7SS I was getting 12 MPG so with ethanol you might get 16  *eek*. Might have to get the old still working again!!
Cheers.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: bikerbob on 04.03. 2011 15:21
HI there
To cyclobutch there is a company called Tank Care Products that sell a Petseal sealant remover wether this works for any other sealant I do not know it is priced at £16.50 plus p&p you could ring and ask. Also on another site someone said that the active chemical in Petseal remover was methyl chloride which is the main chemical in Nitromos paint stripper which you can buy at B&Q but I do not know if it works he also said that if you are going to use it you had better hurry up as those clowns in Europe are going to ban it.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: Goldy on 04.03. 2011 18:16
In this months old bike mart there is an advert from a Company called  Caswell Europe (http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/) This or course is a sales advert, but they are saying that ethanol not only attacks fibreglass tanks but also traditional steel petrol tanks.
Title: Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
Post by: lawnmowerman on 05.03. 2011 18:31
Yes I saw that ad last night in OBM. I guess that they are referring to the water attracting properties of ethanol which then condenses on the inside of the tank and causes rust. The ethanol has done an excellent job of removing the petseal in my tank so I need to use a solvent (ethanol sounds good) to remove any final remains, re-seal it and rustproof it - not leaking yet so hopefully the PO used the petseal to protect the tank rather than cure any leaks.
The ethanol also dissolved the rubbers in my fuel taps causing fuel starvation meaning I could only run with both taps on - BAP taps from SRM cured that - and they do not leak!

Jim
Title: Re: Negative effects of ethanol
Post by: bikerbob on 19.03. 2011 13:55
Hi there
Have just received a reply from my Local MP have attached my original letter plus reply from M.O.T. you will see that they have not really addressed the problems no mention of the dangers or making it compulsory to have filling stations display the level of Ethanol added also a major publicity campaign.
Title: Re: Negative effects of ethanol
Post by: alanp on 19.03. 2011 18:51
I doubt anyone was expecting anything other than the reply we got i.e.  'we have to comply with EU regs and if you have a problem with compatibility then change the material/parts affected'.
As has been stated on this forum before we have to help each other by posting on this forum any positive remedies to this threat to our machines.
Title: Re: Negative effects of ethanol
Post by: Goldy on 02.04. 2011 10:42
There is an article about this subject from the VMCC in this months old bike mart. As has been stated previously the ethanol absorbs water and this causes corrosion, but the article also suggests that this mixture of ethanol and water conducts electricity and so electrolysis takes place between dissimilar metals in the fuel system. It seems to me that what is required is simply an "additive" which removes water. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Negative effects of ethanol
Post by: shabashow on 17.04. 2011 19:23
I used to use Sodium Sulphate when I did chemistry at Uni to remove traces of water from solvents during labs where the slightest traces of H20 would interfere with the reaction. The Sodium Sulphate was a powder and it would sit harmlessly in the bottom of the flask. Don't think that would be practical for our petrol tanks, but someone could probably get it into some sort of 'teabag' that could hang in the tank. Probably would have to change it frequently, as it would only have so much capacity to absorb water - more so if it was humid or rainy. Not sure if I'd want to put a petrol soaked powder in the oven to regenerate it, it would be a one shot deal!
Title: Re: Negative effects of ethanol
Post by: bikerbob on 11.05. 2011 13:44
Update. I sent a letter to my MP saying that I was not happy wth the Ministers reply he contacted the Minister and I have just recieved his reply via my MP. He does clarify somepoints but the only change is that they state that it is not now the governments  "firm intention" to go to 10% after 2013 when in their original report they said it was. I still feel that this problem is not being given the publicity that it deserves.
Title: Re: Negative effects of ethanol
Post by: bikerbob on 30.06. 2011 16:31
Hi there
Just recieved my Monthly mag from the Bsa owners  club. It reports from someone in Germany that the majority of motorists over there are refusing to use 10% Ethanol petrol because it returns poor fuel economy and recommending people to buy Super Plus fuel or E5 but to try and avoid E10. The German government has halted the countrywide installation of E10 pumps until they can provide evidence  that it is good for E10. Greenpeace have stated that ethanol can ruin cars and the enviroment.