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Title: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Billybream on 16.02. 2012 09:21
My wish is to return my bike to the original painted valanced mudguards, does any body know a source for these, still have the original brackets and stays available. Found some fibre glass guards, not sure of style, any thoughts, experiences of fibre glass.
Rear was 15742-6904, front was 15242-6553
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Goldy on 16.02. 2012 09:51
Try these http://www.auto-cycle.co.uk/index.htm#mud
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Billybream on 16.02. 2012 14:31
Thanks Goldy, already contacted them, "Though we made the originals for BSA the tooling was scrapped and can no longer help (only with RGS)"
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: andy2565 on 16.02. 2012 16:54
hi
i just spoke to my mate chris at renovation spares in redditch and he makes them,you can email at
info@renovationspares.com  or phone him on 01527892344,let me know how you get on cheers andy
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: bl**dydrivers on 16.02. 2012 17:41
Billy, I'm in the same shoes as you, been looking for years, until couple of years ago and found a new chrome front mudguard at WesScottCycles here in Fort Lauderdale USA.
Already been trough AutoCycle etc
In the end 6 months ago I found a chrome USA spec rear on Ebay, just keep looking, I'm still wanting a UK spec rear and let me know how it goes with Renovation.

Does renovation do Steel or fibre glass?

I know on Ebay the rears show up from time to time and they're EXPENSIVE


Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: andy2565 on 16.02. 2012 18:52
you would best email him ,but i would think steel.as they specialise in classic mudguards for bikes and cars
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Billybream on 16.02. 2012 19:03
Thanks Andy, will contact Chris @ Renovation, and report findings
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: saltbox Alf on 19.02. 2012 16:51
Hi just visiting and scanning the posts and strangley there is a topic on the ajs n matchless oc forum that concerns new bit's on old bikes and the mention of fibreglass  to some would cause a couple of heart attacks. I and others made the point that if it keeps the bike on the road and is safer to ride etc etc, we are all for it.
I find that here  on a10 there is a more at times relaxed attitude to originality, I just wonder if it's purely the rarity of parts or I don't know what?
Sorry to butt in *computer*
my rocket has got stainless RGS style guards and I am making the bridges and supports, slow work with a file!!
Cheers
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Billybream on 07.08. 2012 08:49
Hi.
Finally found both front and rear on Ebay, the rear was pre 1958, so a bit of work was required, the front was not a BSA, unknown origin but looked the right style, again some work required with brackets and welding. Both were shot blast and set to the painter, the finish was a great job, and bike back on the road after 29yrs.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: trevinoz on 07.08. 2012 22:20
Billy,
            I would say that the front guard is BSA as in A65.

Trev.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 10.08. 2012 04:56
I may regret it but have just splurged on a fleabay front mudguard from India listed as :
BSA A10 FRONT FENDER 1959 MODEL

it is the non front stay type that has less valance in front of the wheel.
I'm hoping it will suit my '60 super rocket.
Need to find the front mudguard stay next...bought the y brackets from Draganfly.
Tim
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 10.08. 2012 07:59
Can anyone confirm some key identifying features of the later rear mudguard.
Some pictures of the circa '60 super rockets show the rear guard valance tapering away (particularly US ones in chrome), whereas other pictures show the fully valanced type.

likewise what the holes in the side might be for?
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Stephen Foster on 10.08. 2012 08:17
Think the forward hole would be for the stay "hockey stick" or the later type & the rearwards hole may have been for the optional grabrail ?
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Billybream on 11.08. 2012 08:36
Hi Rocket Man.
The hole near to the arrow head stay hole is for right angle seat mounting bracket, the other hole I guess would be for grab handle, but not required for 1960 model as this was fitted with roll on stand.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 11.08. 2012 22:22
Hi Rocket Man.
The hole near to the arrow head stay hole is for right angle seat mounting bracket, the other hole I guess would be for grab handle, but not required for 1960 model as this was fitted with roll on stand.
thanks bud, must get a late parts book, do have one for my road rocket (54/55) race bike but so many subtle differences by '60. I'm guessing right angle brackets allow for a lower seat dispensing with the strap across the guard (I had made one up).
The only genuine bits I have from the back tinwear are the arrowhead stays. The mudguard was obtained originally for the race bike but not suitable for 16" wheels so seems to be suitable for the super rocket (Not sure what year this guard is or what the holes did). but am missing tail light fittings/seat brackets/grab handles...Need to get my head round the detailing in that area. Being a UK import am planning to put it into UK trim.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: trevinoz on 11.08. 2012 22:26
If the rearward hole is on both sides, they are for the seat grab rail, usually on U.S. models.
Seat brackets are two right angle straps.
Trev.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 11.08. 2012 22:34
If the rearward hole is on both sides, they are for the seat grab rail, usually on U.S. models.
Seat brackets are two right angle straps.
Trev.

That computes... I believe the guard came in from the states.
I'll persevere with it, doesnt appear to be totally wrong, although is a bit bent at the back.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: trevinoz on 11.08. 2012 22:39
RR,
           A lot of the states bikes have a shortened rear guard below the tail light.
Trev.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 11.08. 2012 23:03
RR,
           A lot of the states bikes have a shortened rear guard below the tail light.
Trev.

Some also seem to taper in the side valances too, in a similar way to the way the post '59 front guards taper at the front. The picture of a new SR in the "Adventures and Old Pics" thread under bikes,pictures and members appears to show a tapered and shortened rear guard

http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php/topic,5975.0.html (http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php/topic,5975.0.html)
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 12.08. 2012 01:52
my mudguard does taper *doh*
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: duTch on 12.08. 2012 12:27
RR, the first picture « Reply #12 on: 10.08. 2012 08:59 » , looks half decent, but the last one ,reply#20 has gone to crap, like it's too long/sits to high or needs to roll to the front a bit ?? -Same guard??
cheeers ,duTch
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 13.08. 2012 02:10
RR, the first picture « Reply #12 on: 10.08. 2012 08:59 » , looks half decent, but the last one ,reply#20 has gone to crap, like it's too long/sits to high or needs to roll to the front a bit ?? -Same guard??
cheeers ,duTch
This guard didnt leave the factory on this bike and year of is unknown, its also a bit twisted at the back below the taillight unit, but it does have the original two sets of holes for the clamps that attach to the frame so doesnt appear to be able to be rolled forward or dropped. *dunno*

The height of does bother me but it appears to tie up with the rear stays and seat hole spacing.
Yes its the same guard.  At present the only fore and aft tinwear I'm wedded to are the rear arrowhead stays.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 14.08. 2012 05:33
My replica front guard arrived late yesterday from India, took a proper look this afternoon and put on a coat of PA10, did have a thin coat of grey primer.
In general I'd have to say disappointing, the rolling hasnt been finished that well although a good skim coat will hide, however the edging particularly the back half doesnt appear to be particularly well curved and is uneven.
Not sure how genuine mudguard stay tags are attached but these also didnt exude quality.

What with my rear guard fit and this front, the jury is still out on what tinwear I will fit front and rear *sad2*
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: iansoady on 14.08. 2012 10:59
That does look a bit rough.
Title: Re: Valanced mudguards for 1960 Super Rocket
Post by: Rocket Racer on 15.09. 2012 02:33
I've finally identified my rear guard as previously pictured as a circa '58 type, so height incorrect as the pre 59/60 ones didnt have the arrowhead rear stays.

Having reviewed the indian ebay front guard I bought and comparing to a mates 60 flash, came to the conclusion the guard is a piece of junk and would never be good enough for anything other than a hack.

However on the plus side have bought a tatty rear guard that is correct and needs a lot of work as well as an american market option non valanced chrome front guard that is still in the original wrapping. These were also fitted to the '64 a65 rocket. Just has rear stays so will suit the original sliders and look nice with a rabbit ear & gaiter/twin clock front end. So finally moving forwards