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Title: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: SixFingerJack on 21.05. 2012 16:06
Have a look here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18146326

Sounds like good news, but it seems too good to be true, or is it just my suspicious nature?
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: lawnmowerman on 21.05. 2012 16:54
In my experience things that sound too good to be true usually are too good to be true.

I have to agree that riding and old bike normally means that you are absolutely meticulous in maintaining it as it is your neck on the line but will the insurance companies agree. In the spirit of screwing as much money out of you as they can it would not surprise me that they will insist on some sort of inspection to ensure roadworthiness (which could cost more than a MOT). Also in the event of a claim and in the spirit of not paying out unless they have to, they may inspect the bike with a fine tooth comb after any accident and any minor fault may involve "Claim adjustment".

I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of usage/mileage limit is also imposed on classic vehicle policies.

Then there are the VOSA gestapo and traffic police who will see it as an opportunity to stop every pre 1960 vehicle and give it the once over.

It does tidy things up though because vintage HGVs do not require an MOT provided they are not used commercially.

Let's hope it is good news for us as I am sure that we know more about our bikes (and cars) than the MOT tester does in most cases.

Jim
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: bsa-bill on 21.05. 2012 18:11
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I am sure that we know more about our bikes (and cars) than the MOT tester does in most cases.

The relevant phrase being "in most cases"
Sorry Jim I'm in favour of the MOT as I can't guarantee that I'm not going to going to get into traffic with one of the "OTHER" cases on my travels.
Riding classic bikes is a way of life for most of us but a fashion statement for others, they are the ones I don't trust to keep their bikes in order, you know what I mean - they that like to be seen with spotless shiny black jacket than a tyre gauge
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: lawnmowerman on 21.05. 2012 18:38
I am not sure if I am in favour or not. I know that I would not knowingly drive a dangerous vehicle and I consider myself a reasonably competent mechanic.

The problem, however, is that few of us have formal qualifications which allow us to certify that our bikes (and cars) are roadworthy and the law says that vehicles must be in a roadworthy condition.

Some parts of the MOT are subjective and allow discretion by the examiner and some are mandatory but all areas are covered by a set of notes which specify the criteria for the award of a test certificate. We will not have such guidelines and may find ourselves arguing with police and insurance companies as to whether the vehicle is fit for the road or not.

They are "experts" and we are "novices" so no prizes as to whose opinion will prevail.

I am not sure if this has been totally thought through and whether this will disadvantage owners of older vehicles in the long term by leading to more rules, regulations and beaurocracy.

I take your point Bill, there are some out there who will just see it as a way to save money and drive dangerous vehicles.

Jim
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: Goldy on 21.05. 2012 19:13
I was going to complete the federation of British historic vehicles survey on this, and in the end I could not complete it because I could not decide if I agree with it or no. There are benefits in having an independant person cast an eye over my bike once a year. What also troubles me, as others have said, is that we then become a special category, which then makes it easy to impose restrictions on us.
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: lawnmowerman on 21.05. 2012 19:32
Latest statement from FBHVC http://fbhvc.co.uk/2012/05/21/historic-vehicles-mot-exemption-review/

A voluntary test is proposed which insurers will probably insist on (or am I being cynical). They really haven't thought this through.

Jim
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: muskrat on 21.05. 2012 21:11
 G'day all,
             down here we have club rego for bikes over 30 years. You have to be a member of a club and the club appoints an inspector to check the bikes. The relevant form is then taken to the DepMotTran who will ask for the princely sum of $55 which includes third party injury insurance. Shannons insurance is very club friendly and fully comp my cafe for about $100 year. So with club membership it's under $200 a year. A normal bike would be well over $1000.
Cheers
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: fido on 22.05. 2012 09:05
You would think the government would consult with insurance companies before making such a change but perhaps not. If the classic vehicle insurers thought we were all driving / riding death-traps I'm sure the premiums would be higher.
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: Topdad on 22.05. 2012 13:42
I had the same problem has goldy re the survey, Bills point is valid and I think I'll for the reasons mentioned by others that I'll still get the guy who I use at present to continue running His eye over the bike if for no other reason than He the good sense to like BSA's. Seriously He has said virtually what was presented by the govt minister and doesn't feel that he can test it properly however he can see the level of care that is given the bike and that allows him to be confident that it's safe, time will tell best wishes BobH
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: chicago on 27.05. 2012 11:57
i also think an mot is important as i always check my car over before taking it for an mot to save having to pay the re-test fee if it fails on something ,and theres been a couple of times ive missed something the mot guys spotted, i think the ideal solution would be to charge a lot less for a mot on a classic vehicle, say instead of the £40 fee, charge £10. all the best, chicago
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: Topdad on 29.05. 2012 12:59
I've phoned footman james to see what there reaction to this change would be and they are playing has "until it's law it doesn't concern us we'll make our descisions as and when " which just leaves us in limbo anyone tried any of the other usual suspects for there views?? BobH
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: bsa-bill on 29.05. 2012 14:31
Could go the same way as the "Pasty Tax" which our Government has now decided to drop, explaining that by dropping it they will save money and jobs ?????????????????????? so how come it made any sense to introduce it, unless large donations to the party from hoteliers and catering industries had something to do with it - oh hush my mouth surely not. *whistle*
So who or what would gain from not have an MOT on Classic vehicles I wonder - it's a bit of a mystery, unless it's a precursor to something more sinister - oops there I go again looking for conspiracies  *help*
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: Goldy on 29.05. 2012 15:05
You are right bill there is always a reason. The introduction of the tax exemption for historic vehicles wasn't done for fun. It was done to get all the old bikes and cars hidden away listed on the new dvla computer why! So that they could then sell off all the reg numbers and leave the old bikes high and dry because it coincided with the end of leaded petrol, so they though that would be the end of us, but we're still here. All the best Goldy
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: bsa-bill on 29.05. 2012 15:14
Sounds like a plan Goldie - but not of our making eh
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 29.05. 2012 17:26
You are right bill there is always a reason. The introduction of the tax exemption for historic vehicles wasn't done for fun. It was done to get all the old bikes and cars hidden away listed on the new dvla computer why! So that they could then sell off all the reg numbers and leave the old bikes high and dry because it coincided with the end of leaded petrol, so they though that would be the end of us, but we're still here. All the best Goldy

Did you dream that?  I get confused about what's real, myself.
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: Goldy on 29.05. 2012 17:45
No I didn't dream it, the government realised that historic vehicles employed thousands of people, so became less of a proposition. It's usually women that I dream about.
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: bikerbob on 29.05. 2012 17:55
HI there I did vote on the FBHVC website to keep having MOT's on the grounds that it is a good idea to have someone at least once a year to check over my bike to see if it is roadworthy. I have had 15 MOT's done on my Gold Flash and it has never failed because I always check it over myself before taking it in. But on 2 occaisions he did find that 2 mudgaurd bolts had come loose and he commented that he thought my rear chain was a little tight but not unduly so. I still think it is good idea to have an independant skilled  person to check bikes over.

With regard to the DVLA selling registration numbers when I restored my last bike an A65 I rang the DVLA to see wether the number was still available as I had the original log book. I was told that in cases like mine where the bike had never been on the road since the early seventies. The DVLA would have no record of the number because it was never issued with a V5 so as far as they were concerned the number did not exist and therefore they cannot sell numbers that do not exist. That is why when you apply for a retension of a number you the owner have to prove that it exists with either the old log book an old MOT or Tax disc which shows the registration number or a copy of the original registration document which some local authorities have kept but sadly some have destroyed when everything was centrilised at Swansea. The government is also looking to close all the local DVLA offices which I think will make it harder to get an age related or original registration as everything will have to go through Swansea.
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: Pete Gray on 07.09. 2012 18:38
A case in point for me today when I took the A7 for its annual test As a 1961 model of course I will still need the MOT certificate anyway but the tester discovered that my rear sprocket mounting nuts were loose - very loose actually. Had he not found this I doubt it would have become apparent till they came adrift with goodness knows what horrible consequence.
I had the rear wheel off earlier in the year to replace the brake shoes, presumably I had only finger tightened the nuts and become distracted by some family crisis or other so never took the spanner to them.
Even if I was a pre 1960 owner I think I'd stick with the annual MOT !
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: muskrat on 07.09. 2012 20:42
 I agree Peter,
                    down here in NSW Oz we have yearly rego checks (pink ticket) and am glad to have someone else check things over. Some states don't have inspections and you can tell by the rust buckets on their roads. If I see an out of state # plate I give them plenty of space.
 Historic (hysterical) rego (permit to move) is available for vehicals 30 years + and don't need a pink ticket. It does need to be checked by a club inspector (ME). { gee musky, how did that get in } *smile* ;) *beer*
Cheers
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: olev on 08.09. 2012 04:36
musky,

Hystorical rego in Qld only allows you to ride it on club sanctioned runs or a trip to your mechanic.

Our dating and technical officer refuses to accept that my ajs stormer is in fact a 1935 New Hudson and my mechanic lives in Mt. Isa.
cheers
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: duTch on 08.09. 2012 09:30

Olev-is that a dilemma, or an open license? couldn't you get a 'canic in Camooweal,Bamaga,Birdsville or The 'gatta

 Musky, my ruse works, I like my space *smile*, anyway our 'roads' are a bit from you I guess by 'some states', you mean the far mexicans??(Vicco's) I think it's an all round thing, 'specially interstate vulvos.  *eek*
 I should've taken note where that crater was that put matching flat spots in my Moto rims a few years ago, but I know it was between Syd & Melbs probably round about Bega..... *smile*

Cheers
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: A10 JWO on 13.10. 2012 13:26
My bike is a 1954 Flash but was registered in 1981. It says nothing about date of manufacture on the V5. How do I get on in relation to the MOT rules ?
Title: Re: MOT exemption for pre 1960 vehicles
Post by: lawnmowerman on 13.10. 2012 13:41
You could try the BSA Owners Club. They should be able to give a date of manufacture from the Frame number and give you a certificate for the DVLA. I do not think the engine no is relevant for registration purposes as they go on the frame no.
You may need to send the V5 off to get the date of registration changed - best call DVLA to check.

Jim