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Title: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 06.01. 2013 22:14
About English shed-built bikes making it to Bonneville and racing there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0138mjb

For those with no BBC, see live TV on http://www.filmon.com/#BBC-Two
Episode 2 next Sunday 10 pm UK time.

edit: see http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=6843.msg47578#msg47578 for youtube links.
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 08.01. 2013 21:13
Well spotted Sir!.......... I really enjoyed that, part two is greatly looked forward to. Thanks!
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 13.01. 2013 22:07
Episode 2 on right now

http://www.filmon.com/#BBC-Two
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 22.01. 2013 20:38
Dissapointing results for the chaps there........... Fires, clutch back plate screws falling out, breakdowns galore, insecure undergarments and a bout of chronic, and incapacitating constipation thrown in for good measure! :(
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 22.01. 2013 20:50
But they made it to the legendary salt, raced (more or less), and came back in one piece. I enjoyed watching it, showing all the hard work, planning, struggle and problems (+ sadness & joy), good series, BBC knows how to make things.
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 22.01. 2013 21:10
Indeed they did, and hats of to them for that!......... I really enjoyed watching too, (apart from seeing Chris Ireland in his underpants *razz*).  I felt a bit sorry for them though, I hoped at least some of them might have had better luck. It even saw fit to rain on them the day they arrived. In the desert!..... Better luck next time fella's *smile* *smile*
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: chaterlea25 on 22.01. 2013 21:33
Hi All,
Pity that they missed out on a team from the Isle of Man who actually  smashed  a long standing record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcdQ4myCbbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npdPzOL-aXQ

203mph on a streamlined 500cc (without using the nitrous!!!!!)

Cheers
John
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 22.01. 2013 22:10
Blimey!.....It didn't sound very healthy untill it hit 8,000 rpm but after that it certainly picked its feet up!
Right then, there is more than enough brains on here for a crack at the 500 or 650 class, and a few that can ride quick too. Only a lack of will can stop us!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 22.01. 2013 22:54
A7 & A10 at Bonneville, anyone knows of more? (not necessarily making the headlines, just attending & racing)

http://www.beezanet.com/twincarb/Gene_Thiessen_Bonneville_Ad_small.JPG
http://www.beezanet.com/twincarb/fastbsa.htm
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 23.01. 2013 01:36
A few here, these are current records!.......B.S.A. still setting the pace? Representatives in the 125, 250, lots in 350, 500, and 750 classes. I'm sure the lads on this forum could get an A7 above 104mph?
http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/BNI_records.htm
Failing to get an A7 to 104 plus, we could do it really cheaply and push a 125 Bantam to 31mph? ;D ;D
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 23.01. 2013 02:18
Let's go for the 3000 cm3 class, using 6 x A7 engines (3 in parallel x2) ending up with something similar looking to this  *eek*
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rDNwgDlI6wE/ToAVrLhG5CI/AAAAAAAADc4/GJAmo3Yg-Uw/s1600/suzuki-ack-attack_engine2_lg.jpeg , which from reading the results did 328 mph.

Maybe MG & Julian will team up and do it  *smile*
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 23.01. 2013 03:33
Well, this fella has done 1300cc!.......MG and Julian, the honour of this site is in your hands! *smile*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_P7J_U8Enc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnpwxbsiJYg
Fair play to him!
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: muskrat on 23.01. 2013 12:59
Here's another 1300 it's still got a kicker.
Cheers
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 23.01. 2013 19:46
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Here's another 1300
Nice work. Am wondering how long (how many seconds :O) the gearbox will last when handling a full throttle !
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 23.01. 2013 20:29
I think it would cope easily. Remember, when they left the factory plenty of them were fitted with sidecars, including monsters like the Watsonian double adult. Imagine........four adults and the weight of the sidecar!
A pal of mine has a Beezer that his Dad bought brand new. They went on holiday in the sidecar (double adult) when he was six months old. *smile* It was not just round the corner either, they went to Cornwall, all five of them. Even with dreadfull abuse they just seem to carry on. Mine has not been apart for at least 34 years, although there is play in the clutch arm these days. I hold them in the highest regard, and a tougher box of cogs for a motorcycle has never been built in my opinion.
Now we all know what's going to happen to me this year eh? *problem*



Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 23.01. 2013 20:57
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Now we all know what's going to happen to me this year eh?
*smile* it'll be fine, seems there are not many gearbox problems compared to f.ex. main bearing, magneto and a few more recurring things. The box here has been fine as well all the time I used it, and it must be old (just some whining in 3rd gear). But the 2 engines on that tiny-looking box seems frightening.

AS for the Bonneville project, who volunteers :O) (and pays the bill, I guess it's too late for a BBC sponsoring).
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: muskrat on 23.01. 2013 21:34
 Yes they are great gearboxes. Got the '57 in '90 from South America and only changed the oil. Raced it for 9 years and now on the road for a few years. Only changed the oil before going on the road. No worries at all. The '51 box is as new only once had a problem with a bent selector.
Yep just jinxed myself too.
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 23.01. 2013 22:57
Well I'd stump up a few £ £ £'s. I would love to do some work on it, but you will not get me on a plane to anywhere! I do not do flying. *evil*
 We know who has or does race on this site and we know the expert mechanics. A vote or a lucky draw for those who put their name forward could decide it. I'd rather go for a record, and that 125cc Bantam 31mph is ripe for the taking and cheap!.....Imagine.........


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Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: a10gf on 16.03. 2013 15:28
Chicago posted links to the program on YT > http://a7a10.net/forum/index.php/topic,6843.0.html

metalflake wrote
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but you will not get me on a plane to anywhere
*smile* 1000x or so safer than riding bikes! But if it helps, have plane problems as well, need some judicious use of (legally prescribed of course) 'feel good whatever the crisis' medication, and it goes well.

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Well that's my hat in the ring! Who else?  
Let's keep the idea alive, and see what the future may bring!
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 16.03. 2013 16:04
1000x or so safer than riding bikes
You're right of course, but I'll take my chances with this one....... Wish it wasn't the case though, I have mates and family in Australia, and I would love to vist them.
Money aside, it would be an interesting bit of fun to send somebody over there.
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: muskrat on 16.03. 2013 18:38
 I'm with you mf, I don't fly either. So it looks like we'll have to convince one of our US cousins to give it a go. I haven't seen Dan on here for a while. Wonder how he got on. http://a7a10.net/forum/index.php/topic,3515.0.html
Cheers
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 16.03. 2013 19:13
Yes, I've read that topic before. He just stopped posting about it, wonder why? 
The record at the minute is 104.7 mph for an A7, if my memory serves me well. Not impossible? What do you think?
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: muskrat on 16.03. 2013 19:54
Just sent Dan a PM to see how he's going.
I can't see how the record for an A7 is so slow. Even a mildly tuned one would do that. I suppose it depends on which class it's entered in. A bit hard to work out I thought it would be P-VG-K but there's no such class.
Cheers
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 16.03. 2013 20:34
Correct me if I am wrong, but with regards to being slow,  is it to do with the high altitude? And I might be wrong again, but doesn't the salt surface slow you down?........ I did notice Chris Ireland had to mess with his jets on the Indian.
Dan mentioned in a post that the engine had to be pre 1956. But he didn't say what class that was though. It's very difficult to work out your class even with this:-
http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/BNI_records.htm
http://www.bonnevilleracing.com/motorcyle-classifications.asp
In the 125 class 31 mph on a Bantam would give you the record! ........I mean, it seems ridiculous that somebody took a bike barely capable of scraping 30 mph to the salt flats!
Ah well! Let's hope Dan gets back to you with a tale to tell.
                                 mf
Edit: I think Dan was after the P-PV record.
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: Briz on 01.04. 2013 21:21
Yes! The altitude and the heat means you're usually down about 20% on power as compared with here in the UK.
Everyone who goes for the first time thinks it'll be a doddle. And ends up going home with their tail between their legs!  *lol*
That A7 which'll easily go 107mph...will go about 85!

I was along for this same trip, but the BBC cut me out! We ran a Weslake V-twin. Over here it needed 190 main jets, At the salt, we had to go down to 142s
Most of us are going back in 2014; ol' Chris Ireland has built a new blown Indian. I'm doing an A10.
And yes, vintage class is pre 1956.
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 01.04. 2013 22:30
Hello Briz and welcome. That's a shame you getting cut out by the beeb, yet they still had room for chronic constipation issues and scenes of a sexual nature for the ladies. (Chris in his grunters! *smile*).......Typical!!
I wonder if they intend a follow up?
Keep us posted if you will, I for one, am fascinated by the whole thing.
               Good luck. mf
Title: Re: BBC2 - Speed Dreams at Bonneville
Post by: metalflake11 on 01.04. 2013 22:57
Oh!...... and don't bust the crust.
All three tow trucks are stuck. The small one at the back was called out to recover Boyd Coddington's (R.I.P) camper van when it sank to its axles. The one in the middle was called out to recover the the tow truck that was called out to recover the camper van. The one at the front was called out to recover the tow truck that was called out to recover the tow truck that was called out to recover the camper van! *smile*  They all had to find alternative accommodation that night.
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