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Title: "Please take a mo to remember "
Post by: Topdad on 17.05. 2013 11:20
Very much of our subject but if you can please take a mo to remember the brave guys of 617 sqn( inc 29 canadians, 13 ozzies 2 nz and 1 usa ) all tour expired volunteers who carried out the Dams raid 70 yrs ago last night in 1943 ,particularly the ones who didn't come back, thanks BobH
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Post by: RichardL on 17.05. 2013 12:13
The story has always stuck with me, ever since seeing the movie 50 some years ago. I assume you have a personal connection, father maybe? I go along with the saying, "the generation that saved the world." Glad you made me remember this.

Richard L.
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Post by: metalflake11 on 17.05. 2013 12:49
Well done for that post Bob. A truly incredible feat of bravery and skill.
Me and the A10 had the honour of seeing a Lancaster fly over the Derwent Valley Dam on the 50th anniversary.
In perspective, within a few months of the raid, three of Guy Gibson's crew were killed in action. Within a year they were all dead. Gibson himself was lost over Holland a few months before the end of the war.
It was a poor show the lack of recognition Bomber Command got after it was all over, and an insult to the families of the 55,573 men who lost their young lives serving it.
                               'Apres Moi Le Deluge'
                               'After Me The Flood'
                                  617 Squadron.                                 mf








Title: Re: "Please take a mo to remember "
Post by: lawnmowerman on 17.05. 2013 13:09

"Never have so many owed so much to so few"
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Post by: Topdad on 17.05. 2013 13:36
No Richard, no family connection (,Dad was a sergeant in the royal engineers) ,with the RAF just unbounding admiration for my dad and mums generation , they just got on with it, no histriolics no counselling makes us seem like whimps by comparision. They also loved life and got on with it ,hopefully instilling a little of there spirit in us before they left.Best wishes BobH.
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Post by: A10Boy on 17.05. 2013 14:40
Thanks for the post Bob.
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Post by: muskrat on 17.05. 2013 15:20
 We are lucky to have had them.
Lest we forget.
Cheers
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Post by: A10Boy on 17.05. 2013 15:22
I always hold my breath when I see the old "Lanc" flying around, I think I'm right in saying she's the only one that flies now.
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Post by: bsa-bill on 17.05. 2013 15:40
saw the show on Beeb2 last night.

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It was a poor show the lack of recognition Bomber Command got after it was all over

Yep politicians again
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Post by: A10Boy on 17.05. 2013 15:42
Bomber Harris got a statue, thats about it.
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Post by: metalflake11 on 17.05. 2013 17:57
There's a Lancaster in Canada that's privately owned by some folks, other than that you are correct. Arthur 'Bomber' Harris has indeed got a statue, but it took about 60 years to do it.
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Post by: Stephen Foster on 17.05. 2013 18:30
Amen to that Bob !
Top post !

Steve ..
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Post by: morris on 17.05. 2013 22:46

"Never have so many owed so much to so few"

Back that up a 100%...

We have a club in our village who collect allied WW II stuff. Every year in the month of May they hold an exhibition to commemorate the end of the war. I went have a look last weekend, and one thing has struck me deeply. They had installed a monument with the flags of all the nationalities who fought to free Europe from tyranny, and a bit further up the path had a sign up in English that said;" For the fact you can read this you owe your English teacher. The fact you are allowed to read this you owe to them"
Couldn't have said it better...
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Post by: Briz on 17.05. 2013 22:52
Lancasters; Merlin engines; Bsa's. All part of the same thing really.
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Post by: Tumbleweed on 18.05. 2013 08:19
a thoughtful post bob thanks, men were men in those days
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Post by: bsa-bill on 18.05. 2013 09:24
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men were men in those days

well just - very young men.
I live about 7 miles from an old wartime aerodrome (Milfield ) was a rest and recuperation for pliots , lots of dromes around as well, it's near the Cheviot hills, I've been up Cheviot, there is still the remains of a Mitchell bomber up there that crashed there, American crew killed, reminds you of the many nationality's that lost there young folk
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Post by: stu.andrews on 18.05. 2013 09:40
All Bomber Command crews were very brave. The 55,573 paid the ultimate price, and---they were all volunteers. It was the most dangerous service of WW2.
To remember them, go to East Kirkby, Lincolnshire. At the museum, listen to the Lancaster on certain days, with the engines running. For a price one can have a taxi ride, albeit short, in the "Lanc." An unforgettable experience. Try climbing over the main spar where it passes through the fuselage. It is quite a feat when the plane is stationary on the ground. Now imagine doing the same thing with the aircraft out of control with centrifugal force pinning you down & your life depending on it. Go to the Petwood Hotel, in Woodhall Spa, just a few miles away & see a marvellous selection of pictures of the squadron, as it was their "mess."
On last Thursday night, BBC2 produced a very good programme on the dams raid &, for a change, it was non biased & of good quality.
YES, remember them all. They were brave men
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Post by: Spitfiremk9 on 18.05. 2013 15:07
spot on Stu and many others , I believe the Canadian lanc is airworthy , the one mentioned at East kirby, google lincolnshire aviation centre is a facinating story of 2 brothers ,the Patton's, determination that the crews of bomber command weren't forgotten, particularly has they lost a brother over Germany . From talking to the manager who was extremley pleasant and a source of  so much info it was mind boggling they actually wanted a Halifax has there brother operated and died on one of those but by 1946 most had already been scrapped!! so they persauded there father to buy a surplus LANC, OH they did have one advantage in this scheme the family farm was used by and converted to a bomber field which reverted to them come peace ,so they had a fair bit of runway and taxi ways plus hangars  . Has stu said they taxi the lanc ,i think 3 times a year at sunset . Being an nosey sod by nature and mechanically minded I asked the question " could it fly " surprisingly the answer was yes , but would need an airworthiness cert which has they didn't have a way to fly her out probably wasn't feasonable.  He did mention that they lent parts to the BBMF and the raf reciprocated with lending them parts when their lanc was "offduty " noticeably radiators which they needed 2  to start the taxiing programme and from them they had patterns made and now they are nearer to having her as complete as a 70 yr old can be! finally I did see in flypast an article which said they had decided to get her airworthy now that would be a sight for sore eyes 2 lancs  in formation , if it happens could I suggest a forum get together at east kirkby to watch the historic event?? thanks for everybodys indulgence of my of topic post and the excellent response from like minded guys all over the world BobH