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Title: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: a101960 on 16.07. 2014 19:44
As all UK residents will know, from October this year there will no longer be a legal requirement to display a valid road tax disc on your vehicle. Yesterday I took my bike for its annual MOT test, and today I went to the Post Office and got my new tax disc. It expires at the end of July 2015. As a matter of interest, does anyone know if (since it has been issued for a period of 12 months) will it have to be displayed until it expires next July. Or after October 2014 can it be removed? I am guessing that as from October the offence of failing to display will also be repealed.  The reason for my curiosity is because if I no longer need to display a current valid road tax disc, I thought that it would be a nice touch to put a facsimile tax disc for 1960 in the tax disc holder.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Angus on 16.07. 2014 19:52
Don't know about the legality after October 2014, but when I can I am getting two of these (May get 3 one for the G80 that could be classed as progress with the build  *smile*)
www.britichtaxdiscs.co.uk (http://www.britichtaxdiscs.co.uk)
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: beezermacc on 16.07. 2014 19:55
I think the law is pretty clear. After 1st October it is no longer a requirement to display a tax disc (so you can remove it). There are some other aspects of the law which not everyone has spotted, particularly that any valid period of tax still applying to a vehicle is not transferred when the vehicle is sold, so if you buy a bike which is taxed you have to re-tax it in your name. Details of the law are at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes)
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: cyclobutch on 16.07. 2014 21:20
It's only a non display penalty anyway so I've not bothered unduly.

My A10 wears it's '79 tax disc from when it was last on the road and has done since decommissioning about 5 years ago. When the H1 took to the roads again this spring it was resplendent with its '85 disc from when it last rolled a wheel.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: duTch on 16.07. 2014 22:29

 They doing the same here with the stickers, maybe a global movement  *smiley4*

 Thing is, I heard of people getting done for wearing an 'out of date' sticker- but that's 'round here....they'll do anything for a dollar *conf*
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: muskrat on 17.07. 2014 10:26
Gone are the days when Mr Plod would pull you over and look at your sticker. Now most of the Highway Patrol cars have # plate recognition camera/computer that only takes 2 seconds to tell if your rego is out.
In NSW, club rego'd bikes still need a sticker.
Cheers
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: stu.andrews on 17.07. 2014 10:32
I have read differently, although I cannot remember where, that from October, no new discs will be issued, BUT, those issued up to the end of September 2014 must be displayed for their full term. So, discs will not disappear entirely until 1st October 2015. More red tape! Has anyone else read this?
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Topdad on 17.07. 2014 10:58
Yes Stu, thats my understanding , my car is retaxed in July thought I could sling the disc after October but was told that it needed to be displayed until it ran out . Anything to confuse you ! Still as musky said the police use there computers to check ( and so they don't have to get out of the car ) and really who would report you here in the UK . Traffic wardens used to look but they've been replaced by british legion employed people . Haven't seen a true warden for years , have I just been lucky?? regards BobH
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: derek taylor on 17.07. 2014 21:01
think i will put a guinness bear mat in my holder
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: duTch on 18.07. 2014 13:37

  What's a...
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guinness bear mat
....?
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: muskrat on 18.07. 2014 20:05
You've gotta get out more duTch. It's a coaster.
Cheers
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: ShaunMac on 18.07. 2014 20:20
I still have the last tax disc my dad got for the bike in 2000 so I'm going to put that in for display.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: duTch on 18.07. 2014 23:06
 Shaun, you're the man I was thinkin' of- setting the standard... *wink2*

 Yeah Musky, I actually need to get out less...I know about  those soggy bits of cardboard-miss 'em every time *whistle*
 ......'mat' makes more sense though than 'coaster', but what I really was wondering is the 
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guinness bear

 I know that Guinness and beer are not the same thing and'm lead to believe the words can't be used together....so it must be a code.. *fight*        *beer*
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: bsa-bill on 02.08. 2014 12:08
Just revisited this thread after noticing the tax disc on my 59 expired few months back, I've had no reminder (and I need lots of reminders) so it's out of date.

From what I've read I'm unsure if the law now means you don't need a disc displayed or you don't need a disc at all - soooo does this mean you don't have to register the bike with the DVLA or at a post office anymore.

scuse this being a bit dumb I'm sure I've missed something somewhere - it's an age thing

as is this --
A woman goes back to work after thirty years.

Watch carefully, the video is only 5 seconds long, but, you'll get it.
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Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Beezageezauk on 02.08. 2014 13:01
Hi Bill,

The way I understand it is that you will still need to go through the motions of taxing your vehicle(s) but as DVLA records will hold all the details on computer, which will be readily available to the authorities,  there will be no need to physically display the tax disc.

Is your 59 on SORN?  If so, you won't get a reminder because it will now remain SORNED until you sell the machine or tax it, unlike previously when you had to SORN the machine on an annual basis.  If the actual tax has expired I would guess that the reminder has gone walkabout in the postal system and you should either tax it or SORN it asap.

The other thing to note that as of October, if you buy a vehicle that is taxed, the tax doesn't come with that vehicle and you will need to tax it yourself.  On the other hand, if you sell a vehicle that you have paid road fund duty (tax) on, the duty won't be transferred to the new owner and DVLA will send you an automatic refund of the outstanding amount.

Apart from these points there are probably other changes to the new system that we in the UK will need to familiarise ourselves with.

Hope this helps,

Beezageezauk.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Angus on 02.08. 2014 14:07
I think your reminder must have gone walkabout,  as I had mine in July for the A10.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: bsa-bill on 05.08. 2014 20:48
well Beezageezauk the plot thickens.
I tried to renew the apparently expired disc on line only to get a message saying something about the vehicle can't be taxed online and " go to a post office" .
I did this today and the computer in the post office rejected the application and (get this) advised I contact DVLA.
I got back to late to phone but did a Vehicle identity check, turns out on the DVLA site the bike is taxed until June 2015.
various possibilities
 1. I have re taxed it already and somehow replaced the old disc with the old disc   -  I'm too wise and enlightened  to argue this is not possible.
 2. I've re taxed it and just lost the new disc - this is very possible
 3. the DVLA knowing I would cock it up have decided to do it all for me - HA HA

 4. in a few months time I'll find the missing disc while looking for something entirely unrelated

So I think if I just hang on to October (bit of mud on the disc holder) I'll be ok
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Beezageezauk on 05.08. 2014 21:22
Ok Bill....just put it down to a "Senior Moment". 

So the bike is taxed and that's all the authorities will be interested in.  Lets face it, the Police would do a DVLA check and will only pull you over if the computer showed that the bike wasn't taxed or insured.  That's the reason for abolishing the tax discs in the first place.

It's crazy isn't it?  We still refer to it as the "Tax Disc" even though it's free issue and no tax has been paid.

Beezageezauk.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: cyclobutch on 06.08. 2014 12:36
I still like to think of it as 'Road Fund License'. That's what it was supposed to be for.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: a101960 on 06.08. 2014 17:01
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I still like to think of it as 'Road Fund License'. That's what it was supposed to be for.
Oh, if only! If every penny collected on that pretext was actually spent on the roads, the whole of the UK would be buried 20 feet deep under concrete. Same as if every penny collected for national insurance was spent on the NHS, and pensions, every UK citizen would have their own personal doctor and nurse allocated to them 24 hours a day, whether they needed one or not. On retirement we would all be living in some exotic resort living a life of luxury. Every government  since these schemes began has had its dirty little fingers in the till misappropriating  the funds. Now they blame us for the shortfall and accuse us of living to long.
John
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 06.08. 2014 21:44
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I still like to think of it as 'Road Fund License'.

Why? Are you American? Or did you mean "licence?"

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Same as if every penny collected for national insurance was spent on the NHS, and pensions, every UK citizen would have their own personal doctor and nurse allocated to them 24 hours a day,

How can 10% of my wage pay for a doctor and a nurse?
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Topdad on 07.08. 2014 10:24
TT without getting policital which I'm not, I think John was merely looking retrospectively at the way things were originally set up, the road fund  was just that but money was diverted as is the way of govts as the world moves on ,trouble is the more they need those funds the more they can excuse not using them for there intended purpose however well intensioned or not there reason is . The truth of that is the NHS and the welfare state were something set up in a far simpler times by well meaning men who had just fought for the right to change things to hopefully a better world and I'm incredably proud of what they did and still glad that we have it! By the way how's my spelling ? BobH
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 07.08. 2014 10:41
TT without getting policital which I'm not, I think John was merely looking retrospectively at the way things were originally set up, the road fund  was just that but money was diverted as is the way of govts as the world moves on ,trouble is the more they need those funds the more they can excuse not using them for there intended purpose however well intensioned or not there reason is . The truth of that is the NHS and the welfare state were something set up in a far simpler times by well meaning men who had just fought for the right to change things to hopefully a better world and I'm incredably proud of what they did and still glad that we have it! By the way how's my spelling ? BobH

Your spelling is mediocre, but I'll have to speak to you after the bell, about your general demeanour in class.

I just thought it was comically blatant to claim that my personal doctor's wage could be paid by a 10% tax on my much smaller wage.

Did I tell you that they sent me a refund, when free tax discs for old wrecks was introduced?
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: a101960 on 07.08. 2014 11:11
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I just thought it was comically blatant to claim that my personal doctor's wage could be paid by a 10% tax on my much smaller wage
TT you have interpreted what I said a little to literally I think. What I said was meant to be tongue in cheek.  Sadly as is often the case the written word does not always translate humor, and irony from the spoken word as well as it should. I certainly was not making a political point. Both the political parties that have traditionally governed us over the years have been equally guilty. It just seems to me that the term National Insurance is dishonest. Why not call it what it is. A tax! In fact I do believe that the present chancellor is considering doing just that. Vehicle excise duty is a much more honest description than the old name; road fund licence. Being taxed is a fact of life, all I was trying to say was, lets call a tax a tax. In general people do not think very much about taxes and honesty, and of course politicians are only to happy to keep it that way. How many people are concerned I wonder, about the iniquity of paying a tax on a tax at the pumps? Fuel duty to which VAT is then added?
John
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 07.08. 2014 11:49
Anyway, I'm very fond of the free "Historic" rate.

The "no MoT" thing may be ill-advised, but it's saved me a few quid already. I've probably spent that on VAT on road fuel duty.
Title: Re: Road tax disc change in the law
Post by: Topdad on 07.08. 2014 12:54
Ha Ha, well spotted TT ! must do better ,where have I heard that before , BobH