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Title: BSA If only
Post by: townsends20 on 17.03. 2015 18:21
Just look what bsa could have done with a bit more development.       eBay item number:131345603257 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/131345603257)
Title: Re: BSA If only (Kawasaki W1)
Post by: a10gf on 17.03. 2015 18:56
Great looking machinery indeed!

This one looks good as well, Kawa W650 (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2001models/2001models-Kawasaki-W650.htm), and the Triumph's (http://sump-publishing.co.uk/triumph%20bonneville%20hinckley.htm) has been quite successful too.

('Borrowed' pictures for future reference to the Kawa 650 as the listing will someday disappear, if any copyright objections, will be removed asap)
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: muskrat on 17.03. 2015 19:21
If I had the $$$ this would be in my shed. 
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/commando-961-cafe-racer.html
I think the real problem with the British industry was that so much money got poured into Germany and Japan to rebuild with nice new machinery. And hence better product. Poor old England had to patch up all that got bombed and keep going.
Cheers
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 17.03. 2015 19:45
If I had the $$$ this would be in my shed. 
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/commando-961-cafe-racer.html
I think the real problem with the British industry was that so much money got poured into Germany and Japan to rebuild with nice new machinery. And hence better product. Poor old England had to patch up all that got bombed and keep going.
Cheers

Or the opposite, sort of.

After WW2, British factories could find a market for anything they made. Did they use money from 1950s good times to develop better, modern products? No- they tried to live on reputation and fobbed buyers off with deteriorating build quality, while Japanese bikes improved.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Greybeard on 17.03. 2015 20:00
£18k???????  *ex*
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: nimrod650 on 17.03. 2015 20:17
nice looking bike just missed out on a cheap mint w650 2000reg in scarborough n yorks 6 weeks ago with 11 mls on the clock the owner  road it to work  on the first  day it poured with rain both ways he stood it in his garage and never rode it again
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: bsa-bill on 17.03. 2015 21:47
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I think the real problem with the British industry was that so much money got poured into Germany and Japan to rebuild with nice new machinery

Agreed, and we were left with a huge deficit due to war loans to repay, I believe it was into the nineties before we got on top of it, can't quite see the logic of paying off our new deficit (thank you banks) in break neck speed.
But I've had a ride on a W650, smoother than our A's but a fair bit younger, BSA went down the unit construction route though and I've not been on a A50/65 so can't comment really.
And agree also that Triumph are taking little hurt it seems
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: duTch on 17.03. 2015 21:52

 Quite possibly the only Jappo made with a right side gear shift...??
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: muskrat on 18.03. 2015 09:56
I grew up on Yamahas and Hondas. Wasn't till I started work I got my 1st BSA. A '72 A65L basket, sold before I rode it. Got the 51 A7 in 81 and been hooked ever since. I just love the simplicity (what simplicity).
Cheers
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Topdad on 18.03. 2015 11:58
Hey this laptops still working ?? Bill it was around 2002 we finally paid our American cousins the money from ww2 and as Musky said the money was poured into mainland europe to try to make sure it didn't go communist . As a result food rationing was still going on here til 1953! re the lack of forsight by the industry I couldn't agree more . My old boss Alan in Horsmans used to tell  this story about  Norton , when AMC closed the old bracewell st factory and moved the norton outfit to ,I think, Woolwich, they discovered a problem with the crankcases ,the driveside was out off line and the amount varied .In desperation they tracked down the old guy who had done the job for years in the old factory who told 'em that when they took the old machine they didn't take "his plank" apparently the machine was so worn he'd had to compensate by using this plank to keep the head inline and had for years. I also remember him saying that the old factory still had some gas lighting which incidently I heard was the case in parts of the Velocette factory, while the management (was it the Dockers in BSA ) spent the money that should have kept them in business for years to come. Finally my Dad was a sales rep in the 50's selling industrial diamond bits for machine shops etc, what a job he had on his hands the machinists could see the  benefits but they cost a bit more so most stuck with carburndum etc as per. He eventually gave up and sold "toblerone " sweets and chocs much better  *smile* ,remember I was only 6 then, regards bob.   
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: edboy on 18.03. 2015 19:04
if everyone here has an opinion about the demis of the british bike industry you should read bob holiday s" the story of bsa" as the truth of bsa s demise shows up a few suprises and points the finger at top managment . for example wasting 3 million pounds tooling and developing the ariel 3! and at the same time destroying the tooling for the bantam which was still popular. the bike sales were very profitable until the umberside hall development ex aircraft designers blew bsa s future with mediocre design and then running out of money and time to meet the financially important american seasons.the japanese produced some real turkeys at the time too, e.g. the wankel and 3 cylinder 2 stroke death traps so i dont think you can blame the japan bike industry and their banks supported them long term.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: WozzA on 18.03. 2015 21:40
18K quid Hmmmmm...  *idea*  wonder how much I can get for the set of original air filters in my shed? *conf2*
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: townsends20 on 20.03. 2015 16:11
try this.
   Steve.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: edboy on 20.03. 2015 20:31
is that an ex-factory ohc triple trident engine townsend? reg allen had one on display years ago.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: jachenbach on 21.03. 2015 02:28
Much has been written about the decline of the British motorcycle industry, particularly Triumph. From my perspective, BSA screwed up with the unit construction models. The "power egg" was extremely boring to look at. The A7/A10 were beautiful, but when unit construction came about, the Triumphs, IMO, were much better looking. As a youngster longing for a bike, it was the Triumphs and Royal Enfields I lusted after. The BSAs weren't worth a look. Even now, I'm trying to put together 2 A10s, 2 unit construction Triumphs, and a Norton Commando, but a unit BSA? I'd take one at a giveaway price, I suppose. Had a '67 Lightning for several years. Okay to look at, a miserable vibrator to ride.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 21.03. 2015 08:48
for example wasting 3 million pounds tooling and developing the ariel 3! and at the same time destroying the tooling for the bantam which was still popular.

I don't know if they could profitably build Bantams, but the Ariel looked like they'd taken some trouble to find out exactly what nobody wanted, then offering it to them.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Greybeard on 21.03. 2015 09:14
To me the egg shaped engines looked like a Villiers two-stroke.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Tomcat on 21.03. 2015 09:33
My 20c worth on A65's
I have a 1970 Thunderbolt and really enjoy riding it, the frame, two way damped forks and twin leader brake make it handle well and stop. The engine goes well but vibrates. Why on earth did Slumberslade hall change the frame, forks and brake BUT kept the engine??? Many years ago I owned an XS650, great engine but poor handling. Perhaps an XS engine in a late BSA dry frame would have been a good combination? Would need metric, AF and WW spanners in the tool kit though!
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: kiwipom on 21.03. 2015 09:53
Hi guys,I like the idea of a direct oil supply to the rocker gear instead of a hit and miss afair of our setup. Has anyone considered connecting a direct supply? It could easily be achieved by tapping into a feed to other places, cheers
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 21.03. 2015 11:42
Hi guys,I like the idea of a direct oil supply to the rocker gear instead of a hit and miss afair of our setup. Has anyone considered connecting a direct supply? It could easily be achieved by tapping into a feed to other places, cheers

I'll bet people have tried it and found either that it made no difference to their riding experience or caused problems. 

Would you tap into the pressure feed to the timing side bush? I've seldom heard the oil pump and bearing feed accused of excess capacity.

How much more oil can you put through the rockers before the guides get over-oiled?  How would you regulate the supply over the range of oil pressures at various RPM?
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: bsa-bill on 21.03. 2015 11:58
I'm with TT, considering the problems occur with people using Goldie studs into the rocker box that have a slightly bigger hole.

Recently gave a second talk to our local U3A around old bikes, this one featured Brough Superior (and Lawrence of course), I played them a video about the SS100 with the rockers merrily clicking up and down in the fresh air -

for interest if anyone would like to see the video, view here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdhgDvc2AWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdhgDvc2AWo)

I edited out the drunk postman bit, we all know that's not correct
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: cyclobutch on 23.03. 2015 13:30
The A7/A10 is for sure a real good looking motor. I guess that's why a lot of us are here. I do like the look of the rocker box on the A65 though, so often hidden by the tank - very art deco I think.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: nimrod650 on 26.03. 2015 18:42
regarding british bikes i heard a comment the other day why do people spend thousands restoring british bikes they were rubbish when they were brand new and they leaked oil before you put it in shows what the younger generation think today of bikes from the past i dont agree of course we were the best at that time but failed to move on but look at triumph today
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Al9000 on 27.03. 2015 08:11
I can't work it out from the ad. Is it some sort of special, a Kawasaki with a BSA engine? Or is it an actual model that Kawasaki produced?  I'm new to this classic stuff!  *smile*
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: muskrat on 27.03. 2015 19:36
G'day Al, yes it was a real Kwaka model. The Japanese were quite good at taking other peoples ideas and making them with a few tweaks.
Cheers
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Greybeard on 27.03. 2015 20:25
G'day Al, yes it was a real Kwaka model. The Japanese were quite good at taking other peoples ideas and making them with a few tweaks.
Cheers
I'd like to know if the Kwaka sounded like a Brit twin; I suspect it had offset pistons, rather than two together.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Topdad on 27.03. 2015 23:06
yes ,that's true, they took  a dohc cam norton said this the best ,now how dowe make it better ! Likewise two. Strokes ,petrol .. Messy fouls plugs , let's look at that idea velo had in 1926, we'll call it posi -lube , they just did what the UK companies thought that customers didn't need, and that was that . I was in a wonderful position at 17 yrs old , I could ride trumpets ,Volos ,goodies ,plus bsa unit stuff ,but never by choice along with japanese bikes,and I really liked some models. A cb72 sports had me in it's spell I remember and YDs 5's they were good, got a permanent job because of 450 black bomber ( one of the first in the uknearly killed my boss , not the bikes fault by the way ) but they couldn't change my feelings for the A10 ,just simply loved 'em still do, cheers Bob
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: nimrod650 on 24.04. 2015 20:02
remember the 250 ariel colt the biggest load of rubbish ever built
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Greybeard on 24.04. 2015 20:18
remember the 250 ariel colt the biggest load of rubbish ever built

I once bought a Triumph 21, (21 Cubic Inches, 350cc) . It had the large rear mudguard so it looked like the Thunderbird but oh my gord what a pile of crap! It was gutless.  *sad2*
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: ChesterA7 on 24.04. 2015 20:21
remember the 250 ariel colt the biggest load of rubbish ever built
I always thought the Colt was 200cc.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: muskrat on 24.04. 2015 21:06
Could be riding these  http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/ace/overview/  just need a proper UK made motor.
Cheers
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 25.04. 2015 07:37
Quote from: Graybeard[/quote
I suspect it had offset pistons, rather than two together.

It didn't.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 25.04. 2015 07:39
remember the 250 ariel colt the biggest load of rubbish ever built
I always thought the Colt was 200cc.

Yes, the 250 Colt might have been rubbish, if they'd built it!
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Brian on 25.04. 2015 07:55
Just for interest here is a link to a youtube clip showing a dismantled kawasaki engine. You can see just how similar they are to a A10 engine.

Take notice of the main bearing set up, two large ball bearings. No rollers so no end float.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9P8jh1ovvc
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: bsa-bill on 07.07. 2015 15:13
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You can see just how similar they are to a A10 engine.

not anymore, according to the rider I spoke to today   in Wooler discontinued and replaced with this which looks more like a Triumph engine and it's grown to 800

second pic - shows what happens when you get those plastic trews too close to the hot bits maybe
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Johnny J on 19.07. 2015 22:23
Thinking about buying another bike for longer trips, quite like this one:
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: muskrat on 20.07. 2015 21:33
So you like a bit of bush bashing on your longer rides Johnny. The Duck is a lot better looking than all those too tall adventure bikes about now.
Cheers
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Johnny J on 20.07. 2015 23:16
Thought I might change to lower handle bars...like the looks of this one.

Lately I have been trying to locate all the different vibrations a loud noises my GF produces over like 55mph, it mostly comes from the front end, one seems to be from the headlamp lens at a certain RPM.
Title: Re: BSA If only
Post by: Greybeard on 20.07. 2015 23:37
Check that your fuel tank is firmly fixed. They can vibrate causing strange noises.