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Title: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2015 10:20
I often wonder if other forum members are at an event I'm attending: I think it would be good if we had some tee-shirts printed up with BSA A7-A10 Forum printed on the front.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 04.05. 2015 11:08
I'm in.
 A forum member "lefty leif" was doing Tee shirts with BSA emblems. I got a couple. Haven't heard from him for about a year. I'll post on his topic to test the waters.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 04.05. 2015 11:32
not too many Tee shirt days in UK, sweat shirt would be nice tho
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2015 12:13
I often wonder if other forum members are at an event I'm attending: I think it would be good if we had some tee-shirts printed up with BSA A7-A10 Forum printed on the front.

Or maybe a pin/badge
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: edboy on 04.05. 2015 12:29
i wouldnt mind one of those long factory brown warehouse coats with the forum logo on the breast. all the factory assemblers wore brown dustcoats and they would be great for autojumble rumaging and roadside repairs.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 04.05. 2015 12:52
Is there a Nitty in the house? (Waiting for the "What d'ya mean?"s  *roll* *dunno*)

I like the idea. I think having the design is the biggest step. As for printing, I think that may best be done locally, as in OZ, US and UK, since small-run shirt printing is readily available in the First World. I have a feeling the licensing fees for using BSA insignias are going to be small *smile*. Anyone interested in tackling the graphic art work?

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2015 13:54
...Anyone interested in tackling the graphic art work?

With apologies to Mr Admin/e; perhaps the first step would be to design a distinctive logo for the forum.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2015 20:39
Just to get the ball rolling I've been playing around with Adobe Elements and come up with some possible logo/shirt designs. I don't really think the original, (saved from this site) is large enough to make a good enough quality image.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 04.05. 2015 21:12
Neil,

That bottom one is a nice piece of composition, but I must throw a spanner in the works (does the figure of speech translate?)  I have a t-shirt with a big design like that across the chest that I really like. I just cant wear it. The printing is done in vinyl ink and the vinyl doesn't breath, so it gets very hot and sweaty beneath the design.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: terryg on 04.05. 2015 21:18
"not too many Tee shirt days in UK, sweat shirt would be nice tho"

A7-A10.net baseball cap????
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 04.05. 2015 21:22
Or how about a patch. I just had 100, 3" patches made for my club. Woven rather than embroidered (a lot clearer logo) and velcro backed for $7.57AU. 200 would be about $1AU each less. My club member also does most of the Australian Navy patches.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: terryg on 04.05. 2015 21:31
I like the patch idea. Especially if the design can embody the global community that this forum represents.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2015 22:11
I like the patch idea.
Yup, a patch would be great; it could be transferred to another shirt or whatever.
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Especially if the design can embody the global community that this forum represents.
An image of the Earth with suitable text wrapped around it maybe?

Is there a graphic artist in the house?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 04.05. 2015 22:29
This would be great, of course. Anyone comes up with more ideas \ design, and we'll make a poll ?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2015 22:38
Here is an idea for a patch.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 05.05. 2015 08:29
I like the patch idea. I'd buy a few of those.
The thing I don't like about the Tee's is the Vinyl, nice when new but cracks in time and then looks duff
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: terryg on 05.05. 2015 09:39
A circular patch the same size as our now redundant UK tax discs (3 inch/75 mm o d?) would look OK in the similarly redundant tax disc holder!  I'd happily go for that.

Thinking about it a bit more...  The patch could be any size (preferably circular) as a digital camera and printer will soon produce a scaled version to fit the tax disc holder.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 05.05. 2015 09:52
I couldn't find a circular clip art image of the world that showed Australia hence the elliptical one I used.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 05.05. 2015 14:55
Maybe?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Topdad on 05.05. 2015 15:28
This seems to be taking on a life of it's own, quite rightly, great idea  like the idea of a tee shirt AND a badge, lets agree on the logo and get an idea of numbers on a continent basis ,that should help with the cost and distribution , BobH
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: terryg on 05.05. 2015 21:52
Perhaps Mercator also had friends and acquaintances in the Antipodes. Representing the globe in 2 dimensions as a circular image without enormous distortion is really awkward unless someone gets left out.
I think I prefer the first draft of the (edit) world map design rather than the second.

Amount of detail and number of colours will drive production costs, of course.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: cyclobutch on 06.05. 2015 16:44
I’d imagine that if you go for a patch or hat where some kind of stitching is involved then the number of colours is likely to be limited to some extent. Thusly the world view is probably more appropriate to that. However, I feel that the BSA rider pic is more ‘us’. Richard’s comment on non-breathability is an interesting one. I’ve encountered this with a Ron Jon shirt when I first wore it, but after a couple of wear/wash cycles the problem seemed to go away – and without any image degradation. I can’t explain the physics of this. 
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 08.05. 2015 15:02
There's not an artistic bone in my body. Publisher and Paint.net got me this far in about 3 hours. *pull hair out*
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 08.05. 2015 18:59
Very nice effort Muskrat. I'd be lyin' if I didn't say I thought could be tweaked. For example, I think that that beautiful bike is a bit lost in the background. Then, as a badge, it would be really lost. Pardon me for critiquing and not creating anything as nice as you have. Just for grins, I thought I'd check out what it would look like as a T-Shirt. Personally, if I'm buying a t-shirt for riding, I like it to be a bright or obnoxious color, for visibility. In the case of the picture, below, I tested your art on a white t-shirt, otherwise, all the flags end up with yellow or iridescent-green in their national colors. The shirt that's pictured is about $10.50/ea in qty. 50. I'm not super-promoting t-shirts, but I tend to wear them a lot, like right now.

Richard L.

P.S. My first read-through found this "The shit that's pictured is about...". No shirt! *smile*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: cyclobutch on 08.05. 2015 20:47
If it were me in that shirt there would be more bosom. Well, at least one tit in there.

But good stuff chaps, all way beyond me.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 08.05. 2015 21:21
G'day Richard. I see what you mean " lost in the background". I'll try something else tonight. I'll have to find a program to bend text better than MS Publisher word art.
I'm a black tee shirt & jean man.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 09.05. 2015 01:46
Oh Muskrat, you put me in the awkward position of nit-picking again. Well here goes. You are too far away to throw anything at me. By having the white background for the flags on a black t-shirt the whole image must be filled with vinyl ink and it's back to no breathing through the fabric. Maybe try a graphic that is all light colors on a black background where the black of the T provides the black color. As for text on a circle, readily done in AutoCAD, but I need a break from my desk for the rest of the day.

Apologies for, well, whatever's appropriate.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: cyclobutch on 09.05. 2015 12:49
And on a tee shirt I like the sleeves to come down into the crook of the elbow - not so fashionable right now I know.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 09.05. 2015 13:04
I've got pretty thick skin, Richard. Took me hours just to erase the background from between the spokes. And my flag globe was missing the Union Jack, the Stars & Stripes and the Southern Cross flags.
Might have another go tomorrow.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 28.04. 2016 17:40
As the Asda tee-shirt thread is being diverted I thought it would be good to start a new topic.

I've been trying to make some images with more impact than the bloke riding his motorcycle at night which might be suitable for a tee-shirt or patch.
I'm sure that someone could do much better than me but here is what I've just knocked up in Adobe Photoshop Elements.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Dean on 28.04. 2016 21:53
Cheers for kicking this off Greybeard. I like the cutaway engine graphic. I would just have BSA A10/7 Forum as text. Or how about:

Like discussing your bits on the internet ?
Then join the BSA A10/A7 Forum

Mind you I've been on the lookout for a T with   "BSA,  making mechanics of ordinary blokes for over 100 years". I like a bit of slf depricating humour.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 28.04. 2016 23:30
Well, back when we were last playing with this I created this circle design that needs something in the middle. I was just playing with editor programs and was having a bit of trouble clipping in things, like maybe one of the cutaways.

Anyway, If this becomes a reality, I really hope we don't go with a big solid latex rubber image on the chest. They don't breath and are uncomfortable to wear. (I do have a few such shirts in my drawer that I will not wear.)

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 28.04. 2016 23:40
I reckon this looks really good!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 29.04. 2016 00:13
I agree Richard, I'm not a fan of plastic/laytex type at all. We need something simple but bold that can be done by screen print for shirts and woven for patches.
I very much like the 2nd one Greybeard. I think the detail would be hard to produce in a screen print but would be OK for a woven patch.
I think the most distinguishable part of our bikes is the timing cover. That inside Richards design might work for both.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 29.04. 2016 00:19
Can we have a polished timing cover please?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 29.04. 2016 00:28
Ha, of course. That was just a quicky off the net. I have a tacho type polished in the shed but the wife's got the camera 250 miles away.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 29.04. 2016 00:52
Well, I'm not trying to make this any kind of debate, of course, but, in a t-shirt, the timing cover will be solid latex. Also, by itself, it could end up looking like a bra on those of us without rock-hard pecs. How about a whole engine drawn similar to Graybeard's image, but not cutaway. If the engine, circles and lettering are all independent from each other over the background, there might be enough open area to be comfortable.

This effort could be called "Goingt Nitty."  (Thanks to member Nitty, wherever he is, for making some very nice BSA patches some years ago.)

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 29.04. 2016 01:33
By the way, I do think GB's engine in the circle looks really good. It's just getting down to some tweaks, it seems.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: orabanda on 29.04. 2016 03:57
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Also, by itself, it could end up looking like a bra on those of us without rock-hard pecs.

Hmmmmm....food for (naughty) thought. Maybe we should be considering shorts instead of a tee shirt. With this logo on the front.....a "stand-out" jock strap?

Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 29.04. 2016 11:24
As Benny would say " Oh Richard (orabanda) you are naughty, but I liiike it"
I too like Greybeard's engine cutaway design very much. I just thought the detail would be lost with a screen print. It would work with a vinyl photo print tee and a woven patch.
Should we do a poll? Tee shirt or patch or both. Vinyl or screen print. Same design for tee shirt and patch.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 29.04. 2016 12:08
Hello, all this is really nice  *smile*

Won't have any preferences within any of the R&D, but offering a £100 or equivalent in other currency (from donations + personal) to help getting the chosen design into production.

Thanks
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 29.04. 2016 13:22
As Benny would say " Oh Richard (orabanda) you are naughty, but I liiike it"
In the UK it was Dick Emery that said something like that.
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I too like Greybeard's engine cutaway design very much. I just thought the detail would be lost with a screen print. It would work with a vinyl photo print tee and a woven patch.
Should we do a poll? Tee shirt or patch or both. Vinyl or screen print. Same design for tee shirt and patch.
Cheers
Poll is a good idea but should we encourage other forum members to submit their own design first? Is there a way of getting this topic read by every member?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: cyclobutch on 29.04. 2016 13:41
Additionally, I quite like text across the shoulders at the back, extending onto the sleeves. A bit like in the attached if it works ...
(And with apologies - I'm clearly no graphic artist).
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 29.04. 2016 14:17
I'm for GB second effort, shame to not have the timing case but could it be place on the sleeve/sleeves
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 29.04. 2016 16:28
I've gone ahead and ordered a tee-shirt with Richards circle around the cut-away engine on back and front. I'll let you know how it looks.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 29.04. 2016 19:42
I've gone ahead and ordered a tee-shirt with Richards circle around the cut-away engine on back and front. I'll let you know how it looks.
i think black would be far better than white oil and white dont go well together plus beer and tea stains
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 29.04. 2016 20:11
I think black would be far better than white. Oil and white don't go well together
Oil? I don't intend to get oil on my tee-shirt!  *whistle*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 29.04. 2016 21:12
Good one a10gf, that'll get the grey matter working.
Change Greybeards name to test pilot! Will that be a screen print or vinyl?
At my clubs show on Sunday there will be a trade stall from a T-shirt printing mob. I'll show him Greybeards design.
Black for me. I've never owned a white anything!
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: morris on 29.04. 2016 21:27
I think black would be far better than white. Oil and white don't go well together
Oil? I don't intend to get oil on my tee-shirt!  *whistle*

Tea also makes some nasty stains GB...
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 29.04. 2016 21:29
Black for me. I've never owned a white anything!
I've made a negative version of the engine that combined with Richards red circle might look ok on a black background.

Like this
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: morris on 29.04. 2016 22:45
Get me 10 of the above! Now! *wink2*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 29.04. 2016 23:39
GB,

I'm digging it. I wonder if it would pay to use a three-continent approach with regard to getting them made. Are you using a generic on-line supplier? Seems a lot of shipping money could be saved by Aussie members if they didn't have to pay postage from the UK. It wouldn't be quite as bad to the US.

As for colors, I would be doing the white engine on black and the black engine on yellow, maybe (because I like the visibility). Is the engine being screened on?

Regarding oil, as long as it's motor oil, it's a badge of honor on a white (or yellow) shirt. Grease from a taco, not so much.

Richard L.

EDIT: Hey, can I get one of those shirts that says, "I'm Graybeard"?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 30.04. 2016 09:09
EDIT: Hey, can I get one of those shirts that says, "I'm Graybeard"?
Certainly not; that would be too confusing! Anyway I've just changed my username!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 30.04. 2016 09:23
...I'm digging it. I wonder if it would pay to use a three-continent approach with regard to getting them made. Are you using a generic on-line supplier? Seems a lot of shipping money could be saved by Aussie members if they didn't have to pay postage from the UK. It wouldn't be quite as bad to the US.
I'm just testing the design by ordering from an online printers, (Vistaprint). The shirt appears fairly cheap until you get to checkout and they add postage! I haven't approached a printer for a bulk price.
An embroidered patch might be popular.

I think we need to have a poll to judge demand.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 30.04. 2016 10:34
Stop!... Wait!... Let's not get ahead of ourselves! Lets consider this!...
Oh, I know you'll hate me for it, but I'm going to have to throw a designer's spanner in the works, sorry! (And please accept that I have respect for the work already submitted). BUT...

As a Graphic Designer I spent half a lifetime having to implement hopelessly dysfunctional, amateurish logos into professional looking high profile design projects, - many of these so-called logos probably started off as the client's niece's absent-minded scribble. Painful. Zero credibility. Zero functionality.

The proposed design might look fine on the face of it BUT, a Graphic Designer didn't do it, and it has various major problems as a piece of graphic design:

1: It is not distinctive enough. (Imagine... we could substitute say, a Triumph engine, or even a Velocette engine, nobody would even notice the difference unless they knew exactly what to look for). - It MUST be distinctively an instantly recognisable BSA parallel twin image yes? Unarguable.

2: Technically, an image with such an abundance of fine lines does not lend itself to easy, crisp, good reproduction in a wide range of uses and media, from screen images, to engraved items, through printed items, even sewn badges. Can you imagine the engine cutaway image as an engraved/enamelled keyring? Sorry, it obviously just wouldn't work would it?

3: The visual 'form' of the logo, an image within a circular banner carrying the title wording, is hackneyed, very ordinary, and not at all distinctive. (That's the KEY thing a logo must be... Distinctive). Plus the wording would be too small and totally illegible in many circumstances.

I know at this stage it's no big deal, but maybe in 30 years this logo design could be quite important, and if we get it right from the 'off' we'll be ahead of the game.
If we're going to do this, lets do it right.

Please don't take offence at my criticism, it is meant positively. Hopefully people can see the sense in my comments.

(Oh and remember, a committee designed horse ends up as a camel!) Too many cooks etc...
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 30.04. 2016 11:38
...As a Graphic Designer...
Joolstacho,
I'm just trying to push the idea of a distinctive logo for this forum forward. My idea was so that members could recognise each other at motorcycle meetings and also encourage 'BSA A' owners to join up.
I'm sure you know what you are talking about. Can I persuade you to get involved with this? I have already suggested that other forum members may have their own ideas.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 30.04. 2016 12:13
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an image within a circular banner carrying the title wording, is hackneyed, very ordinary,

And also quite in keeping with the age of our bikes, and looks good to me.
Your comments are welcome as you have expertise in this area and the point about sewn badges could apply of we went down that road, however we want Tee's for us and doubt we need key fobs.
No offence intended or taken
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 30.04. 2016 13:43
G'day Jools.
I do understand (and agree with) your points.
The forum name needs to be bigger and possibly (as Greybeard already mentioned) the motor drawing in full (not cut away) would work better.
I haven't got an artistic bone in my body and now you've shown your hand as a graphic doodler, what do you suggest?
Cheers.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 01.05. 2016 00:18
Well, I'm not a graphics designer so I would love to see more submittals to the game. At the risk of being hackneyed, ordinary and indistinctive  *whistle*, I have taken a shot at something a bit different. If this has any legs I can make adjustments (or burn my computer) if anyone cares to offer suggestions.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 01.05. 2016 02:12
Getting warmer Richard, getting warmer...  *grins*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 01.05. 2016 18:42
Well, I'm not a graphics designer so I would love to see more submittals to the game. At the risk of being hackneyed, ordinary and indistinctive  *whistle*, I have taken a shot at something a bit different. If this has any legs I can make adjustments (or burn my computer) if anyone cares to offer suggestions.

Richard L.
look good if graphics were gold on black
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 01.05. 2016 18:58
Saw this and thought of us!
https://teespring.com/sqp140
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 01.05. 2016 19:42
Not sure yet how the gold will look when viewed in this post. Nimrod, I wish I had waited for your comment, because I ordered one with white graphics earlier this morning. No harm in having more than one. Open to whatever further comments there may be, including, if you wish, "Give it up, Richard."

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 02.05. 2016 09:39
I like that design.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: duTch on 02.05. 2016 11:13

 Hiya Folks, I'm not much of a printed shirt kinda type, but all the ideas I've seen have merit in their own ways.

  All are good, some are too busy, and the cutaway one could be any twin, but I think the latest one in gold is simplistic enough and probably something I would be more inclined toward (but probably won't- no offense) *wink2*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: KiwiGF on 02.05. 2016 11:22
The gold and black timing cover design is fine for me in all ways
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 02.05. 2016 12:08
Just to add a view, am a fan of the old BSA advert that made it to the top of the forum page, just change\add\edit text.
May imply some expensive printing process to get high quality, but that should not pose any problem.

Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 02.05. 2016 12:29
Just to add a view, am a fan of the old BSA advert that made it to the top of the forum page, just change\add\edit text.
Of course, that graphic was selected by you. You may remember that I made a couple of those last time we discussed this topic. I also love the nostalgic adverts but not everyone does. Also remember RichardLs  comments about a large area of plasticised printing not feeling good on a warm day. The other thing is the inks would be quite dark so may not be very visible.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 02.05. 2016 12:47
I like that. Simple and effective. Would also work as a square patch. But the longstrokers will feel left out. *problem*
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 02.05. 2016 18:23
Not sure yet how the gold will look when viewed in this post. Nimrod, I wish I had waited for your comment, because I ordered one with white graphics earlier this morning. No harm in having more than one. Open to whatever further comments there may be, including, if you wish, "Give it up, Richard."

Richard L.looks good 10 out of 10 for effort
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 03.05. 2016 12:12
Well, I got the first design of Teeshirt back. I'm well pleased with it!! The image definition is really good.

RichardL the picture is not a heavy vinyl coating; it feels fine; I don't see it being a problem on a hot day.

I now think the old-time advert at the top of this page would look ok.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 03.05. 2016 14:54
^^^ Great job  *smile*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: ellis on 03.05. 2016 22:01
ASDA (George) are selling BSA tee shirts in grey with the bsa logo on the front for £8 on line. Great value.

ELLIS
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Rocket Racer on 04.05. 2016 06:24
How about a slogan to go with it such as:
Suffering from Atenitus? contact the BSA A7-A10 Forum for immediate relief and counselling
With the lovely timing cover image of course
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2016 11:07
I just received the second tee-shirt design. Again, it looks great. It has the same design on front and back.

PS: Please note the bright sunshine and blue sky we are currently enjoying in the UK. I hope it stays until the BSAOC Cheshire camp is over at the weekend!!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: metalflake11 on 04.05. 2016 11:32
I just received the second tee-shirt design. Again, it looks great. It has the same design on front and back.

PS: Please note the bright sunshine and blue sky we are currently enjoying in the UK. I hope it stays until the BSAOC Cheshire camp is over at the weekend!!

Good that!........Given up your modelling career already?  *smile*

Hotter than Ibiza this weekend according to the forecast!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 04.05. 2016 11:49
I'd go for that GB. How'd it go on black Tee? Yellow/gold instead of red, silver instead of black?
Cheers.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2016 16:52
I'll knock up some alternative colour schemes then forum members can download the one they want and get it printed locally. How about that idea?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 04.05. 2016 17:37
Great idea.

I'd like to pose a question: Should we be considering this as if it's a club emblem/logo, or should we think of t-shirts as a "free-form" (so-to-speak) display of our affiliation, allowing for a variety of designs. If the latter, I like both and would wear both. I am having a hard time voting for one or the other as an emblem/logo, because that feels so final.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 04.05. 2016 18:27
if someone could  come up with a design of a smiths 120mph speedo face with  bsa  a7-a10 forum in the center *????* might look good
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2016 18:47
if someone could  come up with a design of a smiths 120mph speedo face with  bsa  a7-a10 forum in the center *????* might look good
Might get sued for misrepresentation!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 04.05. 2016 21:26
I feel it should be a logo and the same for everyone. I like both but am leaning towards the timing cover one as (I think) the Y shaped cover is the most distinguishable part of our bikes.
I was talking to Steve from Raritee ( http://www.raritee.com/ ) at the bike show on Sunday. He explained the new process he uses.
"New Age 100 % polyester tees use a printing method called 'sublimation'.This allows special inks to go from a solid form to a gas when under heat and pressure then back to a solid.This type of printing onto tee shirts 'NEVER FADES' the image that is transferred becomes part of the tee shirt material and does not sit on top of the material as in screen printing.In fact the tee shirt will wear out long before the image depicted on the shirt has the slightest chance of fading.
 Other benefits of using the new style of polyester tees are that they mimic cotton in their soft feel,they wick away perspiration yet let air through to keep you cool and they have good UV protection qualities."
The material felt just like cotton and the detail of the prints were just like a photo. The price for this is $25au (15gbp) including the shirt. He specializes in one off's and small runs. It would be good to know what the printers would charge in GB for a run of 100 or more.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 04.05. 2016 22:29
Here's a twist. I just got off the phone with CustomInk to let them know we were not learning to tie knots and make campfires. They said they would get back to me.

Richard L.

Thank you for placing your order with CustomInk!

I'm one of the Inkers taking care of your order, which means I dot the i's and cross the t's to make sure the final product exceeds your expectations.

I noticed that your design uses Boy Scouts of America content that is protected by trademark or copyright. Brand names and logos are protected by law. CustomInk is licensed with this organization, and is requird to submit such designs to our point of contact on your behalf.


We have already reached out to our contact, and they require some changes in order to print your design. We must add registered copyright symbols next to "BSA", as well as add a BSA attribution statement.

I have made the necessary adjustments, and have sent the design below back to the licensor for approval to print :)

 http://www.customink.com/designs/updated/qxs0-00aj-p5m0/hotlink

Inkers are here for you 7 days a week. Please reply to this email or call us at 800-497-2067.


Thanks again!

Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 04.05. 2016 23:16
^^^ funny story *smile*

Next they'll demand all existing BSA tank badges etc discarded and fit new ones with a ®
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 04.05. 2016 23:38
An internet search for BSA brings up a load of Boy Scouts America pages!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 05.05. 2016 05:28
Don't be paranoid about 'threatening' copyright issues. Sure, if you're pirating a major or commonly known/used logo FOR PROFIT you need to be careful.
On the other hand if you are using an old or more obscure logo FOR NON-PROFIT USAGE, don't worry too much. It's very rare to get into trouble doing that, and besides, the first thing that happens is you get a 'Cease and Desist' letter, so you can simply cease usage at that point if you feel it's a worry, and it goes no further.
The 'BSA Company Limited' appears to be held by a British company, Boy Scouts (America)? is just being pushy IMHO, that's just bullshitting, just go to another printer.
Do you think that the scouts could own international copyright to a particular combination of 3 letters of the alphabet?!
If you think I'm 'slack' on copyright issues, bear in mind that plenty of my graphic work has been copied over the years, - you just have to accept that you don't have the resources to chase 'em and sue them... relax, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
I know I opened my big trap regarding the design, and I will work on it, but I'll need time. As I see it a logo would be really useful, but it doesn't mean we can't have designs like the cutaway image and GF photo image, the idea is that the logo would be integrated into the design as a sort of 'key-graphic' or 'header'.

Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 05.05. 2016 12:38
I considered going to a different printer, but thought it would be interesting to see if CustomInk would come off their position. Also, there is a chance that other US-based printers would take the same position and I didn't want to waste my time.  I, personally, could care less about copyright infringement.

There seems to be enthusiasm for getting something to wear sooner rather than later,  at least GB and I have decided to order shirts on our own and without consensus. Maybe we are looking at an interim period where we do just that, based on one of the two designs out there (or whatever). Then, hopefully while most of us are still alive, there might be a design that does find consensus.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 05.05. 2016 12:53
^^^ tell them the British BSA is the real rights holder, and the scouts are the real infringers :O)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 05.05. 2016 13:45
^^^ tell them the British BSA is the real rights holder, and the scouts are the real infringers :O)

I did inform them of the founding of Birmingham Small Arm's as a company in 1861, and of BSA, Inc. in the US through at least 1973. I even told them about the guild of gunmakers going back to the 17th century. I doubt anyone at CustomInk responsible for making contract deals with the Boy Scouts ever heard of BSA motorcycles. I guarantee the barely-post-adolescent design checkers had not. Even if they did, it's not where their bread is buttered.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: duTch on 05.05. 2016 15:08

 
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I did inform them of the founding of Birmingham Small Arm's as a company in 1861, and of BSA, Inc. in the US through at least 1973. I even told them about the guild of gunmakers going back to the 17th century. I doubt anyone at CustomInk responsible for making contract deals with the Boy Scouts ever heard of BSA motorcycles. I guarantee the barely-post-adolescent design checkers had not. Even if they did, it's not where their bread is buttered.

Richard L.

 Yeah in this story, there's Lawyers, Guns, and Money;  The REAL BSA had the bang sticks, what do the quasi bsa have ? Swiss army knives, probably Lawyers and Money.....I was in the BSA (Boy Scouts a-Straya), and I'm quite happy to back a shirt with a Moto-sickle thing on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0hOKCSuns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0hOKCSuns)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5Xv7QqXiM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5Xv7QqXiM)
 
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 06.05. 2016 17:25
does mr bloor of tiumph own the bsa name *????*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 06.05. 2016 18:02
not sure he owns the Triumph name, is not the "Triumph" badge on new Triumphs slightly different in design to the original ?.
Also I wonder if BSA Regal own the BSA name ?
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 06.05. 2016 18:27
If anyone, BSA Regal would be my guess. the even use the winged "B" in their logo. If they do own it, I doubt if they are interested in suing anyone contributing to keeping the name alive.

Regarding the t-shirt, I haven't heard back, so they may have relented regarding adding the trademark symbols.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Rocket Racer on 06.05. 2016 22:14
I'd also suggest BSA regal have the right to the winged motif  *dunno* as even BSA guns http://bsaguns.co.uk/ (http://bsaguns.co.uk/) who are manufacturing air rifles at the remnants of the Small Heath works use the piled arms with a plain BSA font.
the Umerican boy scouts will only have been able to copy write particular fonts, as the term BSA is used extremely widely. over here google bsa and you get the broadcasting standards association.
Press on! I got a great T shirt with the BSA logo from the Californian BSAOC and if anyone is conscious of being sued it would be a formal club in the land of the sued, rather than an infomal international forum group that resides somewhere else...
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 06.05. 2016 22:28
if anyone is conscious of being sued it would be a formal club in the land of the sued

Ah! So you've been to the land of my birth.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: duTch on 07.05. 2016 10:39
 
 A quick search (12 or 13 hours ago) provides this;

 "BSA may refer to":
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSA

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Small_Arms_Company

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.S.A_Company
(This gives the latest info)

 And this; http://www.bsa-regal.co.uk/?category=history&page=history (http://www.bsa-regal.co.uk/?category=history&page=history)

   *countdown*
 
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 08.05. 2016 15:59
 *countdown* indeed!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 13.05. 2016 17:11
Well, well. Custom Ink relented on the Boy Scouts traemark issue and sent my shirt without the registered trademark symbols. Overall, I'm quite happy with the design, though the image might be a bit too large and gold would be better than white. My son said the internet address should be on the back, but I'm sure that costs more. Finally, maybe I'm not as fat as I think (wishful thinking) because XXL is way too big. As you can see by the photo, I'm still in the witness protection program.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 13.05. 2016 18:14
G'day Richard.
I very much like that. Gold would be my preference. What type of printing is it?
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 13.05. 2016 20:47
Muskrat,

The ink is a plasticized product (I guess) that is sprayed on similar to ink-jet printing. There is a big area where they apply a clear water-based coating that helps the ink stick. I thought that felt odd, just slightly rubbery. I called and asked about it and they said that should come out after the first wash.  It turns out that the reason I thought the image was too big was because they upsized it for the XXL shirt. Since they had not asked me if I wanted the image upsized, they offered to send me a new shirt, which will be XL. They would not go so far as to provide the free shirt in gold. I respect that. Now I'll have one shirt and a mumu (it's not quite that bad).

I guess the question is, how and when do we consider more than one-off purchases (whether this or the version by GB with the engine, I'm not making that decision on my own)  and order in quantity. Then, back to the three-continent question.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 13.05. 2016 21:56
G'day Richard.
I usually wash a new shirt before wearing so it will be good to hear your thoughts after the first wash. As i posted, I like the "sublimation" method for long life, screen prints don't last all that long (many washes). Could you ask them how many washes that printing would last and if they do sublimation? Also cost for 100 (25 M, 25 L, 25 XL, 25 XXL).
As for the three continant  *????*. i would imagine the price would be better there (USA) and the postage would be about the same to UK and Aus. Or have a supplier on each continent (smaller run #'s = higher cost).
As we have two viable designs we should put it to a poll. Timing Case, Engine sketch, other. I feel the Engine Sketch would make a good 3" patch for our jackets.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 13.05. 2016 23:08
There isn't a lot of chatter about this topic from other forum members. I guess a poll will give an idea of how many might be interested. A poll should ask about patches as well.
Might it be best to wait a while to see what our graphic design bod comes up with.

Personaly I feel that a new strong logo for the web page would the best thing to carry over onto these items. I don't think that E want's to change his forum page appearance though.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 14.05. 2016 00:30
Right. I forgot that Jools had volunteered. I had ordered my shirt before that.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: polly on 14.05. 2016 23:32
Well as a new member  I must say that a global design that makes us stand out is a great idea, be it tee shirt or patch ...

My vote is on the timing case ...its so much sums up the A10 engine
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 15.05. 2016 08:47
 Oh I just need time... (a lifetime of deadlines, a deadtime of lifelines). Yes It's got to be the timing cover, I'll try to get onto it soon. Sorry!
(Time is an ocean, -it moves too fast, ah but what a shame that all we've shared can't last...)
 *whistle*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 15.05. 2016 08:57
Sorry I'm not for the timing cover, I prefer the engine inside the circle GB's I think.
Also quite like the whole bike a page or so back except the bike is riding into the wearers chest , would be better as in Es forum logo riding out of the wearers chest.

Defo need a poll of the designs so far displayed together on one post
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 15.05. 2016 09:21
Ok, here's the thing from my point of view. Personally I'm out of it if it's going to be a poll, or popularity contest. What you end up with is everybody's third choice. Instead of a horse you get a camel. The moment after I posted my original post on this subject, I KNEW I had ***ked up. Should have just kept my mouth shut. Been there and been stung too many times before.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 15.05. 2016 14:46
As i posted, I like the "sublimation" method for long life, screen prints don't last all that long (many washes).  Could youmask them how many washes that printing would last and if they do sublimation? Also cost for 100 (25 M, 25 L, 25 XL, 25 XXL).

Custom Ink does not do dye sublimation. Personally, I'm not as concerned about the longevity of screen prints. In my experience they seem to last long enough, never completely peeling off but showing age wih cracks. I am guessing that if washed gently and dried on cool their life of beauty can be extended, just like me. Nevertheless, I'll give them a call.

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As for the three continant  *????*. i would imagine the price would be better there (USA) and the postage would be about the same to UK and Aus. Or have a supplier on each continent (smaller run #'s = higher cost).


Cost for 100 in the quantiles suggested by Muskrat would be $8.08/each (I paid $28 for the one-off) with free shipping in the U.S. After a quick seach, it seems dye sublimation would be 1.5x to 2x the price. Custom Ink has a feature where every member of a group  enters his own size information and pays separately. Not sure if they must be shipped to one address, but it may not matter, since Custom Ink does not ship internationally.

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As we have two viable designs we should put it to a poll. Timing Case, Engine sketch, other. I feel the Engine Sketch would make a good 3" patch for our jackets.

To me, though they will be reluctant to admit it, the votes that matter the most are Admin and Moderator. I would be just fine accepting their decision on an existing design, a modified version of an existing design or a completely new design. Though sight-unseen, I do believe Jools must have the skills to develop a fine design, and I respect his points about a wide poll. Nevertheless, I believe there still needs to be some minimum committee, which could include the three of them. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else (uuuuh, GB?) who has already invested time, money and enthusiasm for the project. So far, I don't see any restriction to going rogue if someone doesn't like the official design, regardless of how many people make up the committee.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 15.05. 2016 14:50
 *smile* I want Betty on the tshirt *woo*

https://www.flickr.com/photos/seat850/4383536771

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the votes that matter the most are Admin and Moderator
I'd think the members choice will be fine without interference.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 15.05. 2016 15:31
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the votes that matter the most are Admin and Moderator

OH I thought the people that would buy them might count for someting
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 15.05. 2016 15:46
Sorry, Bill, no offense intended. I was just trying to suggest a possible solution to what seems to have become a conundrum.

I look at it like this: had I just joined the forum that Erling founded, and had there already been a t-shirt in place of his design, I would probably have just bought that t-shirt without telling him I wasn't going to buy it unless he changed it to my design.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 15.05. 2016 15:51
^^^^^^^^ there's one in every crowd *ex*
Thank's for that Richard. After a quick google it seems dye sub is only done on light coloured (white) material, so that counts my choice of black out. I'll go with a screen print. Prices down here would be a lot more than $8 US = $12 AU. A small local firm wants $150 to set up then $10 each on your own shirt! Would be interesting to see the cost from a UK/Europe firm.
I think looking back that GB's engine in Richards circles would look good in gold/yellow on a black shirt.
Cheers

Bill got in first. I agree.
Then Richard (I'm a very slow typist)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: morris on 15.05. 2016 16:07
Would be interesting to see the cost from a UK/Europe firm.

Watch out for customs!
Some time ago I ordered 2 T-shirts in Australia. Had to pay a hefty € 28 import duty...  *angry*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 15.05. 2016 17:26
google bsa t shirts hundreds to choose from just add bsa a7/a10 forum
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 15.05. 2016 20:38
Just playing around and not going off the deep end promoting this design, but if I happen to print another shirt based on the timing cover design, I think I might go with this:

Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Peter in Aus on 16.05. 2016 09:41
I have a draw full of T shirts that I don't use, what I would like is a small sticker to put on the bike or car window, just my two bobs worth. *beer*
Peter
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 16.05. 2016 12:19
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Sorry, Bill, no offense intended.

None taken Richard
Reading what I said , it does come across a tad tetchy, not what I intended, should have used a smiley
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 16.05. 2016 14:03
G'day Peter.
Don't want to add more confusion to the topic but not a bad idea. My Club will be ordering from this mob soon http://www.vistaprint.com.au/stickers-decal.aspx?mk=custom+stickers+au&ad=e&crtv=47467038943&device=c&psloc=1000286&pstid=kwd-35168938222&psite=mkwid|DMeHqEgv&couponAutoload=1&GP=5%2f16%2f2016+8%3a53%3a48+AM&GPS=3945642722&GNF=0
I'll stick in a foreign order.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Topdad on 16.05. 2016 14:29
God only been away for 10 days and this seems to have taken on a life of it's own. I'll get up to speed in a few mo's but first wanted to share this with you. Been to Crete and took with me the A10 "t" shirt from ASDA £8 uk, to test reaction etc after seeing far to many Harley tee shirts last time away !!
people in the hotel were fairly interested lots of smiles and a few questions ,one guy from just outside small heath in brum was quite chuffed however over in Sissi a guy in a bar went went to see it ,or perhaps to much ozzo as well , but certainly loved seeing the bike ,got me a free beer ...result  *smile*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 16.05. 2016 20:34
^^^
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God only been away for 10 days and this seems to have taken on a life of it's own

Beats any oil topic :O)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 16.05. 2016 21:14
regarding stickers and badges and for those who like things standard a forum badge to fit into the now defunk tax disc holder   *????*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: polly on 16.05. 2016 21:23
What a good idea
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: polly on 16.05. 2016 21:33
possably the forum name should be the uniform thing
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Peter in Aus on 17.05. 2016 01:28
Hi Musk, the 38mm stickers would be what I was thinking about they would fit on the bike with out being intrusive, if ordering put me down for a sheet *smile* 
Cheers
Peter
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 17.05. 2016 03:01
I guess I'm a little more demonstrative. Besides not having tax disks here in the U.S. (I suppose I could get one), it's pretty hard to display your affiliation with the forum and passion for the marque with a tag that sits on your bike when it's parked in  the garage, or in the parking lot of the bar you are in, or jumble or meet you are attending. Much of this started because Greybeard wanted a way to identify himself, and to idntify others, as being in the forum. I like t-shirts. I were them a lot. I also like my leather jacket and would put a patch there, but I don't want to wear the jacket when the weather is perfect for riding in a t-shirt and I don't want a patch on my jacket when I'm not out for motorcycle reasons (hmmm, a person could have two jackets, I suppose). Edit: Another note about jackets with patches: It was about 105 deg. F at the last major swap meet I was at.

My point is, at this point, why would we be taking a completely different turn? Stickers and patches are fine, maybe there could be a whole assortment of "Forum Wear", however, even though several (a word I associate with somewhere around eight) members have expressed interest in having a t-shirt, we have not settled on a design and, based on how few chime in, I am wondering if we could get even thirty members who would buy them. I think some members don't want to read long posts like this one or are sick of the topic. The poll we really need is one that hits the email boxes of 800+ members and asks if they are interested in a t-shirt (or whatever) and only Admin has that kind of broadcasting authority.

End-O-Rant.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: ellis on 17.05. 2016 06:29
Just picked up my Asda BSA tee shirt, Really good quality and all for £8 delivered to your local Asda store with 100 warranty if your not happy with it. Can't beat that for value.   *good3* 
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: WozzA on 17.05. 2016 07:45
My personal preference is Greybeards cut away motor design,
Put me down for a couple of T shirts size XL   *wink2*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 17.05. 2016 10:36
G'day Richard.
I didn't mean to throw a curved ball in. I just responded to Peters suggestion and thought it would be cheap (we all like that word), easy and quick. To keep this topic on track PM me if your interested.
I have 3 dedicated bike jackets and would have a patch on each of them. Once we decide on a design the patch would be the same.
Now back on track. As no other real contenders have surfaced I'll start a poll, timing cover or engine cutout. Then we'll look for a supplier.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Topdad on 17.05. 2016 10:45
Look at that only 1 day back and right away  we are able to start a poll ,could it be my calming effect ..... *bash* I'll duck now !!
Absolutely "E" far better than anything to do with Oil.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Peter in Aus on 17.05. 2016 11:35
I'm for engine cutout
Peter
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 17.05. 2016 12:09
The forum has an actual polling tool which, I believe, is available for either  Admin or Moderator to implement.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a101960 on 17.05. 2016 12:50
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I'm for engine cutout
Peter
Me too
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 17.05. 2016 13:38
The poll.  http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=10685.0
 *fight*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 17.05. 2016 13:42
I'm not voting just yet. I'm still too conflicted. I can take some pride in either. Anyway, avert your eyes, as the following is for limited consumption.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 17.05. 2016 14:36
At the top of the Tee-Shirt Design topic is a checkbox for your vote. Just mentioning it here because I missed it, at first.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 20.05. 2016 19:40
regarding stickers saw a tatty b31 with a sticker WHICH SAID IF ITS NOT BLEEDING ITS NOT RUNNING *smile*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 24.05. 2016 11:25
FWIW here's my take on it. This design is (obviously) based on 'our' most distinctive image, the A series timing cover.
This is THE ONE visual image that makes us distinctive. (Note that I resisted the temptation to place a black oval beneath the image).
I've transmogrified* the 'piled arms' motif so that it now resembles a road disappearing into the distance, relevant of course - and It also adds a nice visual 'dynamic'.

This is intended to be a LOGO. Specifically designed to be highly functional for all media and all sizes, It would work for everything from a patch or small key-fob, to a tee shirt or poster.
Like any good logo, it can also be used as a smaller part of a larger design. For example we might want to have a tee-shirt with the cutaway engine illustration, but we'd include the logo as a smaller 'key' image that identifies us.

I've used the red white and blue colours that are the trad Brit colours, -relevant for our Brit machines, but there are many other colour schemes that could work. (A simple black and white version is included).

(*Blimey, I've finally found somewhere I can use that word!)

-Jools

(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2F800x600q90%2F923%2FfLf8wJ.jpg&hash=787bab8b030d3ff7858e77690f184016) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnfLf8wJj)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Topdad on 24.05. 2016 11:55
Bloody hell Jools you've done it again, I didn't think anyone but me would use " transmogrified"  ,what other wonderful words are you going to throw at us , Morris and I still getting over  " rambunctious "from the other .
Getting back to business I've already voted but your design is extremely eyecatching ,cheers Bob
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 24.05. 2016 13:44
YYYEEESSS I like this - well done
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 24.05. 2016 15:11
...I didn't think anyone but me would use " transmogrified"...
Reminded me of this: http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/Transmogrifier
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 24.05. 2016 16:45
FWIW here's my take on it...
(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2F800x600q90%2F923%2FfLf8wJ.jpg&hash=787bab8b030d3ff7858e77690f184016) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnfLf8wJj)
These images certainly have a zing! My personal taste is for a more nostalgic feel, more appropriate for my 1955 motorcycle. These designs remind me of a later period. However, we now need another poll and the members can indicate their preference.

I agree that the forum should have a distinctive logo.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: muskrat on 24.05. 2016 21:05
Nice work Jools, very distinctive. *yeah*
I have to agree with Gb, it's got a 60's-70's A50 A65 feel to it using our T/cover.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 25.05. 2016 00:31
I think it's a fair point that something more 'nostalgic' looking might also work.
I have another idea in mind based on the 'pear-shaped' plastic star tank badge that would look pretty nice, and it would have that very cool classic 50's look.
But I need a good original to work from in order to develop the design. Does anyone have an illustrated version, or even better, a spare original badge I could use?

If you can imagine this badge rendered with 'our' wording...
(Bsa would have also used this badge on A50 & A65 models, maybe singles too, so it isn't as specific to the A7 & A10, maybe though that's not such a problem).

(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2Fxq90%2F921%2FgyAeLl.png&hash=038d2f32a85a86a13f26a47cd88e0977) (https://imageshack.com/i/plgyAeLlp)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 25.05. 2016 09:11
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Bsa would have also used this badge on A50 & A65 models, maybe singles too, so it isn't as specific to the A7 & A10, maybe though that's not such a problem).

To my mind that badge never looked as good as it's forerunners - below A10, RGS and the badge I think I like best although don't think it ever graced an A,  sorry files are a bit small
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: a10gf on 25.05. 2016 10:10
I think it's a fair point that something more 'nostalgic' looking might also work.

Personally, am a vintage-style fan. The 3 rifles logo (see badge3 in bsa-bill's post above) is something I highly appreciate.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: nimrod650 on 25.05. 2016 18:54
Bloody hell Jools you've done it again, I didn't think anyone but me would use " transmogrified"  ,what other wonderful words are you going to throw at us , Morris and I still getting over  " rambunctious "from the other .
Getting back to business I've already voted but your design is extremely eyecatching ,cheers Bob
spending more time on google finding out the meanings of words than i am on the forum
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 26.05. 2016 04:44
Oright! here's anotherie...
I've always loved this Rocket design. It's the 'Super Rocket' decal. (I always meant to put this one on my Lyta but unfortunately my transfer cracked up before I could apply it, anyway it's come in handy finally for reference for this logo)

So evocative of those oil-seeping 1950's. That super Dan Dare / Flash Gordon rocket imagery. It's pretty well specific to BSA pre-unit twins, which works. Obviously I've done a fair bit of err.. transmogrification as you can see. (There may be rambunctios argument over this eh?  *pull hair out*)

-Jools

(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2Fxq90%2F923%2FCssgPB.jpg&hash=64a5e0f79f57236e9a3be410b011843b) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnCssgPBj)

(You know this is THE one...)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 26.05. 2016 05:54
Tee-shirt?

(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2Fxq90%2F923%2FqLUPYs.jpg&hash=dad6449aeb23928b50a5bc26df1dc5d9) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnqLUPYsj)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Billybream on 26.05. 2016 08:05
Love the Super Rocket decal version for Tee-shirt, has everything.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: cyclobutch on 26.05. 2016 08:46
Mine is in cast aluminium, but I have one of these mounted up on the front mudguard of my iron head:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E2djA8mumKE/TZey2HuoVKI/AAAAAAAAASY/C0q0k2Gmlds/s1600/Road+Rocket+Fender+Ornament+%25231.jpg
 
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 26.05. 2016 09:18
How could my friends and I NOT like the rocket one
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 26.05. 2016 09:19
and here's how I imagine Jools came up with it
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Greybeard on 26.05. 2016 09:29
I love the Dan Dare images. I took the excellent Eagle comic in the 1950's. There was some superb art work in that publication!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 26.05. 2016 09:32
Just beware BSABill... the MEKON may be on the warpath...
(And your picture of me at design conception is uncannily, BLOODY CLOSE! (The only thing is that the pipe is sadly NO LONGER AN OPTION by virtue of the fact that the bastards snipped out half of one lung last year... which makes it all the more important that I have a first-kick starter!)
 *angry*
J.
(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2F640x480q90%2F924%2FrrhQKl.jpg&hash=d6f23f8f1c7f089f472202e094e9308c) (https://imageshack.com/i/porrhQKlj)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: morris on 26.05. 2016 18:10
(And your picture of me at design conception is uncannily, BLOODY CLOSE!
Bet you weren't wearing the suit and tie though...!
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 26.05. 2016 19:17
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the MEKON may be on the warpath.

No your safe I'm cool, chilled out watching a Pro Peabody video *dribble*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 15.06. 2016 00:30
Hi folks. I've been asked to provide the circle for the cutaway design in gold, so here it is. Nothing here intended to diminish Jools' fine work (or exalt my amateur work, for that matter).
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 15.06. 2016 05:54
Really, more like this: (It was fun learning to calculate the negative color value.)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 04.11. 2016 15:48
Looking at the Mahindra logo, maybe Jools was onto something.

(https://imageshack.com/i/pnfLf8wJj)

Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 04.11. 2016 19:53
Just a thought, they being Indian that logo could also be a cricket ball,  *????*
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: Joolstacho on 04.11. 2016 22:31
I liked this one best anyway.

(https://www.a7a10.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2F800x600q90%2F923%2FqLUPYs.jpg&hash=2d509eea6c9c25a479fe1a1496a04c12)

(Ruddy Mahindra, nicked my concept! Call my copyright lawyer now!)
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: RichardL on 04.11. 2016 22:42
Just a thought, they being Indian that logo could also be a cricket ball,  *????*

There you go bringing up sports again.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc
Post by: bsa-bill on 05.11. 2016 12:04
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There you go bringing up sports again.

Almost