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Technical => Clutch, Primary, Gearbox => Topic started by: pedrochapala on 07.10. 2015 19:30

Title: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 07.10. 2015 19:30
new valves,guides, 20 over pistons and rings factory spec clearance, about 1000 miles. this problem is getting worse. it's like pressure builds with a kick or 2  or 3 or 4 and you need to be a body builder. used to be a 1 kick starter. somebody told me that the clearance should be 7-8 thou not the factory 4.5.. once one of my stronger mates gets it going for me it runs just fine. because i can't start it myself most of the time i am down to only a couple of miles once or twice/week. i used to ride every day. help!!!!!! it ain't the gear box. i just took the oil out and kicked it fine with the plugs out. plugs in and you get the pressure problem even with no oil in the sump.
help this old guy ride again-por favor!
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: muskrat on 07.10. 2015 20:23
G'day Pedro.
Are you sure it's not the kickstart quadrant and pinion binding? Sometimes on mine the kicker jams. Put her in gear, rock back and forth, back in neutral and kick again.
Wear in the kickstart pinion bush is to blame.
Cheers
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 07.10. 2015 21:13
thanks muskrat but the gearbox is fine. fresh rebuilt and as i said with the plugs out it kicks just fine.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: morris on 07.10. 2015 21:54
When you keep your weight on the kick, does it eventually goes through the compression?
Just crossed my mind that it may be the cush drive nut that came loose, and is jamming itself against the inside of the primary cover?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 07.10. 2015 22:12
if it was doing that-there would be noise. once i get the bike going it runs and idles fine. when i rebuilt the gear box,i took it out totally and i inspected that side including the clutch as well and everything was fine. the key thing to remember is that it kicks fine with the plugs out. i really don't want to take the top end apart again
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 07.10. 2015 22:46
Pedro,

First of all, glad to see you back and hope you are well and fully recovered from surgery, etc.

I don't want to beat this up too bad, because you've already said the gearbox is fine, but you also said it was just rebuilt. If you replaced the quadrant or the pinion in that rebuild, it is possible that you got the wrong tooth profile. I know this because I made that mistake. Having the wrong tooth profile might allow for almost normal kickover under no compression, then, make it very hard when the engine pushes some force back toward you, if you get what I mean.

Richard L.

Title: Re: kicker
Post by: coater87 on 08.10. 2015 00:32
 I had this EXACT same problem when this bike was partially assembled. Plugs out, kicked over fine. Plugs in, 190 pounds could not budge it.

 I never did get the bike running at the time, but when I finally tore it to bits, the only thing I found that could account for this was a badly worn layshaft bushing (drive side), and an equally bad layshaft shaft on the drive side also. The teeth on the primary gears were also shaped like waves on the ocean. I believe gear alignment was fine when under no type of load (compression), but once a load was introduced things no longer meshed correctly. Once the motor is running, it has the power to overcome the alignment problem, but running it is constantly making it worse.

 Nothing I found in the motor would account for it. Plugs were not hitting the pistons, neither were the valves, etc. etc. These were the things I thought I might find but did not.

 I really believe the only thing that can cause this is misalignment in the gearbox. I know it was just freshly rebuilt, but it also used to start easily. Now after a while things are steadily getting worse. Maybe it really is time to bite the bullet and take a fresh peak inside the box. If nothing else, it will totally eliminate it.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 08.10. 2015 03:49
hmmmm! when i use the clutch and kick it several times and then try again sometimes that works. what are you referring to as "quadrant"? i had a bushing drive side[back] made to fit the layshaft end as the shaft was worn to a 5 thou taper. the old bushing was so worn that the shaft dropped down. this does not happen now. should i drain the box and see if there are any filings in the oil?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 08.10. 2015 04:38
The quadrant is the gear attached to the kick shaft. It's called quadrant because it's not a complete round gear but about 1/4  of a complete gear (o, cuarto). If  I remember right (without going to look at pictures) most of our bikes want the pointy teeth on the kickstart quadrant and pinion. The ones that are squared off bind up.

I don't know what to say about the layshaft bushings but a start by taking off the outer cover might tell the story. Another hard kicking problem I had happened when the kick shaft bushing worked its way out resulting in the kick shaft unsupported and, then, fracturing the outer cover.

Ricard L.

Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 08.10. 2015 04:47
hmmm! my quadrant's teeth are squared off. do you think i was sold the wrong quad? the last tooth is only half a tooth.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 08.10. 2015 06:03
Pedro,

I think you might want to read some of this: http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=3220.msg22014#msg22014

The stuff I wrote at the top of that topic is kinda long winded, but I had just gone through the broken outer cover thing and was maybe losing my mind. Basically, I got into the issue of squared-off quadrant teeth. It gets a little more convincing when you get to the posts starting with bsa-bill's.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: duTch on 08.10. 2015 08:04
 
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It's called quadrant because it's not a complete round gear but about 1/4  of a complete gear (o, cuarto).

  Someone was having an issue the other week that prompted me to investigate this, and I discovered it's actually about exactly a third (1/3), but 'Thirdrant' doesn't sound as impressive *conf*
 
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hmmm! my quadrant's teeth are squared off. do you think i was sold the wrong quad? the last tooth is only half a tooth.

 Hiya Pedro, good to hear from you even under tenuous circumstance...I'm not sure if there's a difference between Plungers profiles and  Swingarm jobbies, I keep meaning to investigate this, I think there are differences like some are splined and some aren't, and Goldy type ones have a different return cutaway so they return further(I think); having said that, unless I missed something, you haven't actually said you replaced the thirdrant... *smile*...ahhm..

 How's the mariachi stuff going...??

 We'll get you there *wink2*
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: morris on 08.10. 2015 11:46
the last tooth is only half a tooth.
They're all like that sir *smile*

Had an issue once where I replaced the quadrant but not the counterpart gear as it was still good in my opinion. I noticed there was a slight difference in teeth form but installed it anyway but then the kick started jamming in any position. I ordered a new pinion at the same dealer, and after that it worked perfectly. Pinion and quadrant need to be changed in pairs it seems.

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It's called quadrant because it's not a complete round gear but about 1/4  of a complete gear (o, cuarto).

  Someone was having an issue the other week that prompted me to investigate this, and I discovered it's actually about exactly a third (1/3), but 'Thirdrant' doesn't sound as impressive *conf*

Engineers often refer to this type of gear as "segment gear". Can be as long or as short as you want it to be... and sounds more impressive *smile*
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: chaterlea25 on 08.10. 2015 12:51
Hi Pedro and All,
There are two different tooth profiles used on BSA''s and as mentioned they do not mix  *eek*
Recently I bought a couple of flat or squared off topped pinion gears for customer rebuilds
However the bore on the centre was bigger than the originals *????*
This would lead to the gears being forced apart and possibly jamming as well??
I made new bushes for them to correct the problem as I could not find the flat topped pinions anywhere else  *????* *????*

Pedro, who ever told you that the bores should have 7-8 thou clearance needs to be ignored big time  :!
You have the correct clearance
What you have found is that the compression has increased as the rings have bedded in, As it should be *ex*
When the engine was worn it was probably very easy to kick over, now its "fixed" it will be harder to kick over
If you pull in the clutch and then engage the kickstart till it goes down a couple of inches (release clutch)
can you then kick the engine over?

HTH
John





Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 08.10. 2015 15:22
re:the quad gear. a reminder that my beezer is a '53 golden flash so should it be tapered or flat or is it just a badly made one? yes i changed out both gears.
i will try your suggestion john. by the way i used flat top pistons and cold my compression is 90 and hot 110 so that shouldn't be a factor as before my pistons were domed and when compression was good-125.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 08.10. 2015 17:08
Pedro,

Here is another interesting link.

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=534661

I am really feeling pretty sure that if you have the flat-topped teeth on your  quadrant you have the wrong one and that is your problem. Can you post a photo of your parts? (Uhh, the quadrant and pinion.) Also, I think that making other mods to the gearbox instead of getting the correct quadrant and pinion may not be the best thing to do.  Of course, you should use your own judgment.

Richard L.

Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 08.10. 2015 17:52
i'm really stupid. just took the view cover off and they're pointed not square. tomorrow i'll take the side cover off and take fotos. maybe it's just not made right. when the plugs are out i can kick with just my hand but can't kick with my weak leg when plugs are in. should have kept the old one. and thanks for the link richard. mine is like the one on the left with more metal.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 08.10. 2015 17:59
Looking forward to a good result for you.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: chaterlea25 on 08.10. 2015 20:21
Hi Pedro,
As long as both gears match each other,  it doesnt matter which type are fitted, ie 2 pointed tops or 2 flat tops

I have a Trials HT5 Ariel that has 5.5 :1 compression, the compression will hold my weight on the kickstart
As the handbook says theres a difference between low compression and "bad" compression *ex*

Cheers
John
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 09.10. 2015 18:27
here's some fotos. i can't see anything wrong but there is something.

Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 09.10. 2015 20:28
these fotos are more telling i think. what purpose is the flat one?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: muskrat on 09.10. 2015 20:46
G'day Pedro.
The first tooth on the quadrant is a half tooth to act as a lead in. I can't see anything wrong in the photos but if there's wear in the pinion or quadrant (kicker) shaft bushings it can cause the locking I mentioned earlier.
Cheers
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 09.10. 2015 21:20
Hey, I'm probably just goofing off right now, because I can't see anything obvious either, but since I can't see it, I wonder if part number 67-3161 ("kickstart ratchet pinion sleeve washer") is in place under the pinion, as well as the "kickstart ratchet spring". Not trying to cause trouble, but there are straws that need grasping and I am all about grasping at straws.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: bsa-bill on 09.10. 2015 21:45
Well one straw just for a stab in the dark, I've read on this forum that the bush inside the ratchet can bind if the nut's torqued up too tight.
whether it's enough to cause a complete lock up I don't know, BTW my higher compression bike does sometimes go solid when kicked over, never have got to the bottom of it, but it frees just as easily and it's not that often so I consider it a "Feature" for the time being.
I have a complete gearbox in bits from here there and elsewhere so might build it up and install this winter along with the rest of the planned rebuild.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 10.10. 2015 00:04
relax-i took the spring off to show how things are meshing or not. nothing is missing.the shaft and quadrant i bought was all in one. the flat top is hitting on top of the bendix gear as you can see in foto 2. should i grind this down? i tighten the main shaft nut with my impact wrench[too tight?] but i have always done it this way and never had the problem before. this last rebuild i put in a flat washer between the gear and the bearing race as called for in my parts manual. didn't have that there for many years.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: edboy on 10.10. 2015 12:56
hello, i may be wrong on this as i havnt checked mine yet, but the kickstart at 90"from top.d.c. when only engaging the top of the kickstart quadrant doesnt seem right to me. i believe, but never tried , you can press it off and re-position.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: roadrocket.chris on 10.10. 2015 13:57
have you tried bump starting it . it might show if it is the kickstart if it bumps easy
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 10.10. 2015 14:16
i want to assemble today so i can meet my mates sunday. should i grind the flat tooth so that it doesn't hit the teeth on the bendix drive or is it supposed to hit them?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 10.10. 2015 14:44
First, Edboy, Pedro has the one-piece type quadant.

Pedro,

I don't quite understand why a flattened tooth in the same shape as it was designed by BSA should cause a problem. On the other hand, this is not an original part and, maybe, some small deviation from original is causing a mis-fit when the two gears come together. Maybe the flat tooth is landing on the tip of a tooth on the pinion and jamming things up. Now, with all that said, I still don't quite believe it is the reason for your troubles, but, I would think you could grind the short tooth to be a miniature of a pointy tooth with no harm. It might even help, but no promises.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 10.10. 2015 15:26
eliminating one problem may help. i propose to keep it flat but low enough not to hit the bendix teeth. it's hard to tell but i wonder if the teeth are meshing correctly,in any event. what seems to work some of the time is using the clutch for several kicks and then trying. sometimes this works.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: muskrat on 10.10. 2015 20:18
 The flat tooth is supposed to just  make contact with a pinion tooth. It is supposed to just move the pinion enough so that the next tooth engages properly. Wear in any of the bushes will upset this.
Impacting the nut IS too tight. The nut is done up snug, the tab washer holds it there. Too tight and you deform the pinion bush. Is the hair spring behind the pinion in good shape?
Cheers
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: duTch on 11.10. 2015 01:05
  Pedro, have you tried engaging the kicker to mid stroke and see if there is free-play between it and the bendix...?

 I wrote this last night to post in Terry's inner case problem...which I'll post soon
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Well yesterday I got under-excited and over curious, so had a dig in the various spare boxes I've accumulated, and the 'splined kick quadrant' I have is in the cover that came on the box I'm currently using- it's an early box with the flat kicker return spring, and the box came with a scroll on the output sprocket and complementary oil slinger thingy (in place of seal), so I believe it's a ridgy-didge early one...

  The point of this is, I'm asking others who know, just when were these quadrants used- I thought they may have been a later innovation, but sometimes good ideas get phased out *conf*

 Edit OCT' 12 @ 09;220 AEST    I added the pic of my splined 'quadrant' for reference
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: duTch on 12.10. 2015 00:56

 and in addition to the above, but it won't 'fix' anything, but do you have the stock kick lever (mine measures 165mm/ 6,1/2"), because I use a longer folding one (~200mm/ 7,3/4"), and I have an aftermarket folder that is ~185mm/ 7,1/4"; reason I ask is because if you have the stocker, a longer one may relieve your legs a bit....hope you got it sorted
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 13.10. 2015 15:20
dammit-not sorted-still the same. i wonder if the quadrant is poorly made and maybe the teeth aren't meshing right. why would it work sometimes when i crank it several times with  the clutch and then try it?  look at the fotos again. are the teeth meshing correctly?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 13.10. 2015 16:25
Pedro,

Sorry to hear that your troubles didn't go away.  It's hard to see much by looking at the pictures. In the picture where the short tooth is just engaging, it looks like the next pointy tooth is trying to get into the same notch. If that's happening, it seems like it would cause a jam-up right at the start of the kick then let go once past that point. But, you ground down that tooth, so hard to say if it would look the same now.

As for your match-up of quadrant to pinion, it seems to me that that shouldn't cause a problem because your pinion is more pointy  than square. In looking at pinions that are out there, I am seeing what looks like three types: really flat tops (completely wrong); pointy, like your quadrant; and, just slightly flattened (like your pinion). I think this "just slightly flattened" type is probably still the right fit for your quadrant and it was just the way they made the gear as an aftermarket part. If someone else knows the "for certain" correct story on this, now would be a good time to chime in.   

I was thinking about what Muskrat said about over-tightening the nut and squashing the sleeve. I would think that would not cause jamming in the downstroke, but might cause the lever to not return for the next kick (sometimes I need more than one *smile*).

Other thoughts: How confident are you regarding everything inside the gearbox?; something in the primary like rubbing nut (as mentioned) or super over-tight chain; etc. I am running out of ideas (because of my limited knowledge, of course). I wish I could run down to Mexico to help you work it out. Not saying that would solve the problem, but we could have some good times with cerveza.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 13.10. 2015 22:43
the moto runs and idles fine when it does get going. the primary chain is fine[play].. it's unfortunate that i can't put up a video because i have one of me starting it with the greatest of ease before the shyte hit the fan. there is always room in our casa fer a fellow a-10-er but 4 days max-jaja!
i just spoke to mi amigo carl,southwest cycle in abq,nm.my go to parts guy. it's been a while since he's worked on an a-10 gearbox but he has an old complete gearbox that he's going to open and look at and i'm to call him back later this week. what if the splines on the quadrant are too long causing them to jam-i'm wondering?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 15.10. 2015 18:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqWRqXXYWnQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqWRqXXYWnQ)
here's what it used to do
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: chaterlea25 on 15.10. 2015 20:01
Hi Pedro,
A long shot  *????* *????*
In the photos you posted of the inside of the gearbox a dark shadow / line can be seen between the top edge of the layshaft and bush  *????* is there play there *????*
Some years ago I was given a couple of gallons of "gear oil" I had rebuilt my SR gearbox because it used to drip gear oil while on the side stand. I used the oil I was given to fill the box
Probably less than 1000 miles later I was trying to slow the leak from the speedo drive *problem* and took off the end cover to change the speedo drive bush
I found lots of bronze swarf in the oil  *angry*
The only answer I could come up with was that the gear oil contained additives which attacked the bronze?

Maybe the oil you used after the gearbox rebuild has attacked the bronze bushes in your gearbox?
I would pull the box apart and look at all the components again *doh*

HTH
John

Title: Re: kicker
Post by: muskrat on 15.10. 2015 20:20
Good spot John, I'd been studying the pics and missed that. So if the bushings in the constant mesh gear are worn bad enough the shaft movement might bind and cause a stiff kicker (that sounds rude).
Pedro, is there any movement in the mainshaft?
Cheers
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: Greybeard on 15.10. 2015 22:30
In the photos you posted of the inside of the gearbox a dark shadow / line can be seen between the top edge of the layshaft and bush  *????* is there play there *????*
Do you mean this? It certainly doesn't look right does it.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: duTch on 16.10. 2015 01:54

  That's good spotting John-  it appears that the  layshaft is not protruding far enough through...?
  If this is the case, and I recall one of the things Pedro did a while ago was layshaft related, and had a missing circlip behind the constant mesh gear, so if that's still missing, is possible the gear has pushed too far on the shaft, which allows the layshaft to sit in further- either that or the thrust washer behind first gear is on the outside instead. ...?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 16.10. 2015 16:57
never assume please. note how in this foto the inner housing is moved forward slightly which always happens when i take off the outer. front and back brass bushings are brand new and think about it-if the layshaft were as you think, the speedo wouldn't work which it does. the layshaft gear locating rings are just that and if you know what you're doing are not necessary. i've owned the beezer fer 23 years and they never were there. the layshaft thrust washer is in place correctly. i have always used the same gear oil and there is no residue.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: chaterlea25 on 16.10. 2015 18:23
HI Pedro,
OK, All good there so

one more question? cany you rotate the ratchet gear anticlockwise freely, ? (click,click,click)

John
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: muskrat on 16.10. 2015 19:29
Bugga, back to square one.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: muskrat on 16.10. 2015 19:41
OK lets get away from the box. Your 1st post you say "clearance should be 7-8 thou not the factory 4.5." You are talking piston clearance. Way too much and with a fresh bore & rings there would be a lot of blow by. If the crankcase breather has issues it may be building pressure over a few kicks. Plungers don't have a crank seal on the primary side so when running pressure builds up in the primary and escapes around the mainshaft.
 *pull hair out*
Cheers
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 16.10. 2015 20:46
Pedro,

I know you've about worn your fingers to the bone taking the cover off and putting it back on, but, from your video, you still have some hair to pull out, so I have another hair-brained idea. How about removing  the primary chain and doing some kicking with the clutch engaged (lever not pulled)? Or does this not tell anything because of easier kicking with the plugs out? Hmmm? At the same time you could spin the engine via the cush nut to see if that reveals any problem.

OK, if none of that makes sense, have you had the sump plate off recently to look for something there? Did we already talk about primary screws hitting the crank?

Hey, I know a lot of this will be stuff you already know very well, as you know your bike inside and out by now. I think the thing we are trying to do now is stumble on some very little thing that somehow gets forgotten in the excitement (frustration).  As far as my suggestions go, no offense here if you put them con imposibilidades.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 18.10. 2015 15:59
when i started with this nonsense,i thought i would do an oil change too. so the sump plate was off and i tried kicking. same damn thing-take the plugs out and kicks fine-plugs in -nadda.
i'm gonna meet my mates today so will start messing on monday again. what i am gonna do is check the quad teeth again closely as to how they mesh with the main shaft. what i am thinking is to grind the quad teeth down slightly.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: beezermacc on 18.10. 2015 16:22
This may sound a little 'left field' but is the problem clutch slip? I had a similar situation where the bike felt as though it was tightening up as I was kicking it but what was happening was, because the clutch was slipping, the bike wouldn't kick past compression. It felt like the kickstart was hitting glue. Make sure you have free play at the lever. If that is OK take the primary cover off and tighten the clutch spring screws, maybe one turn or a turn and a half each. To see if the clutch is slipping you can mark the chainwheel and pressure plate with chalk marks and see if they have moved relative to each other after a couple of kicks. Anyway, as I said, a bit left field, but it wouldn't surprise me to find this is the problem.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 18.10. 2015 16:43
That's a new idea. Wouldn't it be great if Beezermacc has hit it?
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 18.10. 2015 17:32
yes it would BUT if the clutch were slipping i certainly would feel it when riding especially up a grade and i can tell you that it's not doing that. my cable is set the way it should be too. by the way when i did the rebuild it require the clutch be taken apart , inspected and springs readjusted on assembly. i do them so that it requires some hand strength. keep the ideas coming por favor!
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 23.10. 2015 18:38
what a super forum and a great bunch! thanks to all and my friend neil[member of my club los ocultos] and carl from southwest cycle for having the patience to help me. i wanted to wait a few days and several kicks before i reported. it works!!!! what i did was put back the old brass bush under the bendix on the main shaft. the old one was not as sloppy on the outside. then as a few suggested i took off the primary cover  to inspect the clutch. you guys were right and i was wrong. look at the pic. the brass spring holder on the right is nice and shiny because it was completely off and rubbing against the cover. when i put the clutch back together before i was too concerned about the plates moving unevenly and obviously that one was too loose. this time i tightened them all a lot more and eveness be damned.  but it still is pretty even,in any event.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: beezermacc on 23.10. 2015 19:00
then as a few suggested i took off the primary cover  to inspect the clutch. you guys were right and i was wrong.

Sorry to gloat but which guy(s) were right??!!

Delighted you got it fixed!
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: muskrat on 23.10. 2015 20:18
I think your it with the clutch beezermacc and I got the pinion bush.
Great to hear Pedro, puzzle sorted.
Cheers
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: kiwipom on 23.10. 2015 22:11
hi guys, have followed this post with interest so a big well done to all involved to get Pedro going again, `challenge met` cheers
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 24.10. 2015 01:08
Pedro,

Great! Very glad that got worked out. You can get back to riding con los hermanos de las motocicletas. Hey, I didn't have the right diagnosis, but I did say to take off the primary cover. What a loser I am. Below is a picture of me when I used to be cool.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: duTch on 24.10. 2015 10:50

 Well, unlike Richardo, I never had an urge to be cool, quite to the contrary- but have to coin a phrase and say " I love it when a plan comes together"....
  I've not had a solution to the problem, but have had a (clutch spring) screw loose in the past *eek*, but not enough to cause this kind of issue, and something I've been meaning to address, but in my case, due to adding the five friction plates as listed, which doesn't allow much thread contact so they undo easily....but since I put in (4) NEW friction plates, so far haven't had the same problem...but have also found that being mega-precise with the run-out doesn't seem to matter afarque;(too much) - I tried the dial gauge, but now just do it by eye and works fine

     *beer*/sangria.??
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: Greybeard on 24.10. 2015 11:45
Below is a picture of me when I used to be cool.

Was that when you were a youngster?  *whistle*
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 24.10. 2015 14:41
that ain't richard being cool-it's me.
and as they say in texas-all y'all can take credit because ya made me think. gracias y todos!
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: RichardL on 24.10. 2015 16:05
That's quite a bunch of guys. I'm thinking the club might include a lawyer, an accountant, an insurance salesman, a real estate agent, a couple of mechanics, a cop and...

Curious to know if I've got any of these correct.

Richard L.
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: edboy on 24.10. 2015 17:47
in my experience people generally who can ride legally and fix their bikes do not fit the losers category. an exception being anybody who sold their bsa years ago on a whim and waiting for an opportunity to buy yours at his 30-40 year old selling price. 
Title: Re: kicker
Post by: pedrochapala on 24.10. 2015 22:52
That's quite a bunch of guys. I'm thinking the club might include a lawyer, an accountant, an insurance salesman, a real estate agent, a couple of mechanics, a cop and...

Curious to know if I've got any of these correct.

Richard L.
the cop[commandante transitos] and one of the mechanics is not in the foto and the handsome young fella to my right/your left is my son who attends queen mary university in london england. the other 4 you mentioned we ain't got none. in the first foto is yuliana, novia of the other mechanic.
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Post by: morris on 24.10. 2015 22:58
And now get us out of our misery Pedro and tell us who the girl is... *smile*
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Post by: RichardL on 24.10. 2015 23:02
Congratulations on your son's achievement to be attending university in London, must be very sharp.  Thanks for letting me use your club photo to test my personality identification skills, which are obviously crap.

Richard L.
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Post by: RichardL on 24.10. 2015 23:05
And now get us out of our misery Pedro and tell us who the girl is... *smile*

...but he did. She's Yuliana (in English, Juliana) wife of one of the mechanics.

Richard L.
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Post by: morris on 24.10. 2015 23:14
And now get us out of our misery Pedro and tell us who the girl is... *smile*

...but he did. She's Yuliana (in English, Juliana) wife of one of the mechanics.

Richard L.

Ok. I assumed "novia" meant "nephew". My Spanish ain't what it used to be... *smile*
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Post by: RichardL on 24.10. 2015 23:48
I was wrong, also, "novia" is girl friend, not wife, which would be "esposa".
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Post by: RichardL on 25.10. 2015 02:03
I was alarmed for a minute, because i saw a weather map from yesterday where Hurricane Patricia was about to slam into the west coast of Mexico, basically where Pedro lives. It appears the hurricane has already passed over that area. Hope you came through it OK, Pedro.

Richard L.
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Post by: pedrochapala on 25.10. 2015 04:18
chapala is in the central highlands[1 mile high] surrounded by mountains. we never get hurricanes,just had some nice rains to green things up a bit. usually it only rains at night during rainy season[june 15-oct 15 ] the roads are dry fer riding by about 9:00 am and sunny all day. life is rough fer us riders here. jaja! thats spanish fer haha!
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Post by: RichardL on 25.10. 2015 04:43
Great.  Glad you didn't get the worst of it. This is what I saw and it was obviously not doing Category 5 winds at this point.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBRA1pK-PEY&autoplay=1

Richard L.