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Title: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: Greybeard on 30.10. 2015 18:13
I remember thinking when his book came out that the good Mr Pirsig must have been taking stuff I couldn't afford - but can't recall a lot more about it Graybeard to be honest!
I read it a few years ago. In my opinion the early chapters are great but as the book progresses it gets more and more opaque. Looks like Pirsig was having problems.  *countdown*
From Wikipedia:
Pirsig suffered a nervous breakdown and spent time in and out of psychiatric hospitals between 1961 and 1963. He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and clinical depression as a result of an evaluation conducted by psychoanalysts, and was treated with electroconvulsive therapy on numerous occasions, a treatment he discusses in his novel, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: a10gf on 30.10. 2015 20:34
Written in 74, so author should (maybe) be ok, I would be very suspicious if written in early 60's, with author locked-up in psychiatric ward :O)

btw, never read it, maybe should, curious what the fuzz is all about.
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: terryg on 31.10. 2015 08:28
Sounds like Pirsig needed an A10 rather than that 350 Honda (have I remembered that right?)

Edit - although my A10s drive me mad sometimes.
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: duTch on 31.10. 2015 14:20

 I had the notion he was on some kind of Beemer *dunno2*...read (struggled thorugh) it when I was about 18 or 19 but all I remember is him slapping his youngster on the knee to look at the geese *conf*, and something 'bout Phædra
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: jachenbach on 31.10. 2015 14:54
Never rear the book, but references in various magazines have said he rode a 305 Superhawk. I had one of those in high school (1970-72) and the longest trip I took was to New Jersey (probably 120 miles one way). I can't imagine riding across the USA on one. Then again, at lower speeds maybe the vibration wouldn't be as bad. Being young (and dumb) I generally had the throttle pinned. Currently have one in the shed awaiting it's turn at resurrection.
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: Kickaha on 31.10. 2015 21:30
I read it 20+ years ago and thought it was crap and couldn't understand why people were raving about it, might try it again and see if I revise my opinion
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: chaterlea25 on 31.10. 2015 21:58
Hi All,
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I read it 20+ years ago and thought it was crap

Probably longer ago than that I tried and failed to read it, utter bollox!!

John
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: bsa-bill on 31.10. 2015 22:19
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I read it 20+ years ago and thought it was crap and couldn't understand why people were raving about it

Was a lot of mails around it on (I think) the brit-iron list many moons ago, I never read it, the feeling I got from the mails  was that I wouldn't want to.
Wondered last month at a talk on Dark matter whether maybe they'd read the book ( "we don't know what it is or what it does but we know it's there")
They think  it might maybe possible somehow hold stuff together, got to get me some *smile*
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: Greybeard on 31.10. 2015 22:21
They think  it might maybe possible somehow hold stuff together, got to get me some *smile*
That's duct tape!
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: bsa-bill on 01.11. 2015 09:31
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That's duct tape!

I'll pass that on to Stephen Hawking
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: edboy on 01.11. 2015 21:23
no point , he uses string theory to hold his trousers up.
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: KeithJ on 03.11. 2015 17:01
"Zen and now"

It took me a couple of attempts to get through the book and I did not find it a light read which I could easily put down and pick up again.

I don’t know if it is a well written book but I thought it was a man telling a story about his journeys both in life and on bikes. 

One aspect was riding an old bike, I think was a Harley.  It required understanding, care and attention to ensure it ran well.  His friend for part of the journey was on a modern BMW and he did not have a feeling for the bike, he just rode it and took it in for someone else to fix.  Hence, there was the comparison about these two “philosophies”. 

He was a teacher of Philosophy and had mental issues.  Philosophy was a key part of his life and his mental issues gave him a different perspective on this.  I hadn’t even heard of Phaedrus before reading but not sure I am any wiser being more award of him. 

His other journey was his personal one though life.  He explores his mental state, how it impacted his family relationships and his employment are also part of his journey. 

Just looked on the web and found:
"It is a work of philosophical non-fiction, the first of Robert M. Pirsig's texts in which he explores his Metaphysics of Quality.”

Just my thoughts.

Now off to continue my journey of rebuilding my A10. 
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: Kickaha on 03.11. 2015 17:40
They think  it might maybe possible somehow hold stuff together, got to get me some *smile*
That's duct tape!

Gorilla Tape is far better
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: RichardL on 03.11. 2015 17:44
They think  it might maybe possible somehow hold stuff together, got to get me some *smile*
That's duct tape!

Gorilla Tape is far better

So, basically, we are into a philosophical discussion on the quality of duct tape.  ('Duct" being a generic term for tape used to seal or repair ductwork. It's not a brand, though there is a brand called "Duck".)
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Post by: Greybeard on 03.11. 2015 18:48
So, basically, we are into a philosophical discussion on the quality of duct tape.
Do you have a problem with that?
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: terryg on 03.11. 2015 19:00
I think, therefore I use Duct Tape.

Is that what you mean, GB?
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: RichardL on 04.11. 2015 02:40
So, basically, we are into a philosophical discussion on the quality of duct tape.
Do you have a problem with that?

You know I don't.
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: Joolstacho on 04.11. 2015 04:39
If your Duct tape peels off your zorst in the workshop, but there's nobody there to hear it, has it actually made a sound peeling off?
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: Triton Thrasher on 04.11. 2015 06:27
A guy thinks about quality so much that he goes off his head.

Recommended reading for QA goons at work.
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: KeithJ on 04.11. 2015 18:42
A guy thinks about quality so much that he goes off his head.

Recommended reading QA goons at work.

What's the ISBN number? 
Title: Re: Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Post by: muskrat on 04.11. 2015 19:13
 isbn 0-688-00230-7