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Offline spottycat

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Drive side roller bearing
« on: 14.05. 2025 20:19 »
Hi,

Rebuilding a slightly mistreated A10 and curious to get different opinions before deciding which way to go. I have bought a new drive side roller bearing from SRM, choosing eventually to rebuild her as she was designed rather than go for modifications. I froze the outer of my new bearing and warmed the crankcase and it slipped in easily. Now cool, it 'feels' firm. The new inner race is fitted to the crankshaft and though not  terrible,  it feels less than the interference fit it should be. I have read that some advise Loctite on the outer race in the crankcase to ensure it really is secure and I have read that some people say a very slightly 'loose' inner race on the crankshaft is not an issue as due to the heat of engine it will naturally tighten on the shaft. However, others  use Loctite 603 to secure the inner race to the crankshaft once all shimming etc. is sorted. Given my situation I just wondered what experience people had with these issues. Cheers.
61 A10

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Re: Drive side roller bearing
« Reply #1 on: 14.05. 2025 21:11 »
  Good to know the outer race is fitted fine, that's half the battle.
 
 Sorry to say the BSA Cush Drive assembly comes up time and again, along with the hassle of shimming the crank.

 I reckon having a bearing inner that is "easily" removable is preferable to one that is a drive fit on the crank. This latter stands a good chance of being wrecked as you attempt to draw it off again to amend the shims. For that application there are variations in bearing type, one sort (NJ Series) leaves the rollers in the crankcase, allowing easier access to the bearing inner. NUP Series is similar, but with a demountable  flange which supports the outer ends of the rollers and eliminates end float. A deep groove race is also used by some folks, cheaper and no crank endfloat as featured on the Longstroke A7, and BSA went back to a ball race in the early Unit models, A50/65.

 So a good plan is with the bearing inner race on the crank, assemble, and bolt the cases together. Add  the spacer, drive sleeve and retaining nut. No need for cush spring or sprocket at this stage. Spacer is not required on Plunger engines. Then tighten down the big nut, this will push the drive sleeve against the bearing inner, which is now nice and tight up against the crank. Leave all in place, then you can measure the float and select shims as required, not forgetting to estimate any difference a smear of your favourite jointing will make.

 Now we come to an aspect which divides us. Any rotational movement between the crank cheek and the inner race will result in the shims being rubbed away, as evidenced by bits in the sump. So how do you prevent this?

 Various views hold, from Loctite to peening crank and race, selecting the tightest race you can find etc. But if you were a shim under a load exerted of some 70 Ft LBs (accepted ball park figure) applied to a big nut, you would certainly not be going anywhere. BSA did not suggest a figure, "really tight" is what the books imply.

 All this has been mooted in the past, but in essence the crank nut has to be done up tight, homespun peg spanner or commercially available tool.*  Also the drive sleeve must be free to slide towards the crank web as far as it can go. A crank which has had a loose nut can end up with wear to the splines roughly half way along, a distinct step which will hold the drive sleeve away from tightening down fully against the inner race.  Locking compound on the inner race is belt and braces, but a gut busting torque on that crank nut is really all that is required.  Certainly compressing the cush spring takes some effort, but the torque setting takes this into account.

 Lots about this on the Forum. Split pin is there to stop a loose nut machining a neat hole in the primary case, not to secure the nut which should end up a few threads below the split pin hole. Hammer and punch is the hooligan method, wrecks the nut and invariably never tightens the assembly enough. Loctite on the nut also recommended.

 Swarfy.

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Re: Drive side roller bearing
« Reply #2 on: 14.05. 2025 21:29 »
Hi Spotty,
If the interference is correct between the outer race and bearing all is good,.
However if  loctite is used  unnecessarily it will reduce the bearing clearance that can result in premature bearing failure

John
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Re: Drive side roller bearing
« Reply #3 on: 18.05. 2025 17:37 »
Thanks both for your input. I'd really like to have that interference fit of the bearing on the crank but I take all your points, Swarfy, about how it is held in place. Sorry Chaterlea25 but I am not sure I understood your message - I am talking about the inner race fit onto the crankshaft. Cheers.
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Re: Drive side roller bearing
« Reply #4 on: 18.05. 2025 18:57 »
spottycat if you can slide the inner race on and off without any slop,  as in throw it on from a distance and it rattles about you should be good to go it gets locked in place with or without the need for shims against the crank web. so if you can slide it on and can't feel any slop  by trying to rock it it should be ok. when you start to slide it on keep testing it for rocking as it goes onto the shaft if it rocks a little bit at the start but then needs a push and doesn't rock fully up then it's good if it's rocking a tiny bit get the shims sorted and on final assembly throw a bucket of loctite on the shaft and be quick to belt it up tight to the web. you could do this without the cush drive spring on *beer*

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Re: Drive side roller bearing
« Reply #5 on: 18.05. 2025 19:28 »
Hi spottycat,
I was referring to the outer race

John
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