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Shift lever/kick start bushings
« on: 07.03. 2016 06:05 »
 I need to make new bushings.

 I have the material to make these steel, bronze, etc. I wonder if BSA used steel because of cost and knowing there may be a lack of maintenance here, or they felt bronze would not hold up well enough in these areas with the odd shaft motions.

 What has held up for guys?
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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #1 on: 07.03. 2016 20:14 »
I have made them in stainless. They're in for a couple of years now and seem to hold pretty well. No sign of wear on the shifter or kickstarter shaft neither. Made them to the tightest tolerances possible to avoid oil leaking out.
I think softer stuff like bronze would wear out quickly. The ones that came put where plain steel and had a lot of oil leaking by.
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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #2 on: 08.03. 2016 18:53 »
 Morris,

 Stainless is one thing I dont have in large enough sizes. *sad2*

 I have decided to turn them out of 41L40, and give that a try. Its a weird material, leaded high strength steel that can actually be hardened if you want. Plus, I have it on hand.

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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #3 on: 08.03. 2016 20:02 »

 If the bush material is too hard or wrong composition, will there be a risk of wearing the shaft first?
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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #4 on: 08.03. 2016 20:48 »
 I don't think so in this case Dutch. This is super slow rotation, and mostly not even a full rotation at that (shifter).

 I chose leaded because it is very slightly self lubricating, but more so because 4140 in any flavor is a very tough material. Of course I will keep the tolerance tight, and make sure they are always lubed. I think it should work fine in this instance.

 I could have even used grey cast iron except for possible sideways violence of the kicker and how badly and quickly it rusts.

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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #5 on: 08.03. 2016 21:25 »

Ok sounds good
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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #6 on: 09.03. 2016 08:45 »
The outer bushes are steel and the inners are bronze. Tomcat is about to replace the bushes on the Super Rocket and has been wondering about cutting the outer bush in half, and slipping in an O ring. Anyone care to comment on this mod?
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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #7 on: 09.03. 2016 10:41 »
 Tomcat,

 My bushings are all steel, if thats how it came originally or the bronze ones wore out and were replaced with steel I dont know.

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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #8 on: 09.03. 2016 11:21 »
Hi
I have never come across original bronze bushes on kickstart or gearchange, always steel
I have made new from steel or stainless
I added O rings to a recess on the inside of the bushes
If you totally seal the gearbox it can pressurise in hot weather or on a long run !! so a breather hole becomes necessary *conf2*

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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #9 on: 09.03. 2016 17:06 »
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a breather hole becomes necessary

ready built in to most BSA bit's *sarcastic*
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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #10 on: 09.03. 2016 19:12 »
Hi Bill,
True indeed  *sad2*

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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #11 on: 10.03. 2016 06:55 »
The outer bushes are steel and the inners are bronze. Tomcat is about to replace the bushes on the Super Rocket and has been wondering about cutting the outer bush in half, and slipping in an O ring. Anyone care to comment on this mod?


Yep, steel bushes on the inners. I only open my mouth to change foot *conf*
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Re: Shift lever/kick start bushings
« Reply #12 on: 10.03. 2016 20:23 »

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I only open my mouth to change foot *conf*

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