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A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« on: 23.09. 2016 20:23 »
I have a 1961 A7 SS and the tank badge needs replacing on one side. The badges currently on the bike are black pear shape ones, but I have confusion with the parts book that suggests red ones.
As far as I know the parts book is the correct one.
Does anybody have any ideas as to which is correct - red or black ?

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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #1 on: 23.09. 2016 21:22 »
g'day Peter.
The A7SS should have the round Goldy type badge (different tank) in dark green & gold star.
It is a little confusing, some say pear shape others as above.
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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #2 on: 23.09. 2016 23:27 »
Pear shaped badges from 1960 in red.

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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #3 on: 24.09. 2016 10:27 »
On the first year of any new badge, BSA coloured them to match the tank they were going onto.
Thus the polly chromatic green SS had green badges, till the projected run of green ones ran out then they changed to the generic black or red
Thus there was a large round star in green & gold and a pear in green & gold.
Most of the tank matched badges went to the USA and we got what was left over.
The home market very often got last years left over tanks with last years left over tank badges.
Parts books will show either the red or black because that was the only colours the spares department stocked.

The last set of ivory pear badges I saw sold for over $ 200.

And they also had different colours for the type.
There was silver from new and gold that faded to silver, and gold that seemed to remain gold.
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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #4 on: 25.09. 2016 01:02 »
I've never seen a pear shaped badge in green. Red, black & blue are my experiences.
The black 4" badge was an A65 badge.

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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #5 on: 25.09. 2016 09:08 »
Thanks to all for your comments. Just shows how confusing it can be.

I am leaning towards Bike Beesa Trevor's answer as it basically means that whatever is currently on my bike could be correct. The only problem is that I cannot currently find a black replacement. Perhaps go red on one side and black on the other to edge my bets. Probably not be able to see both sides at once.

My bike came out of the factory in Nov 1960, but was not registered for the road until May 1962. So this, I assume, adds another little twist to it.

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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #6 on: 25.09. 2016 10:07 »
1961 Sales Brochure Export edition, printed in Oct 1960:
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A7 1961    A10GF 1954    A10GF 1960    A10GF 1961 sidecar    A10SR 1958    A10SR 1959 
A10SR 1960   A10SR -61  A10SR 1963    A10SR 1963   A65T 1968    A65L 1968   B25SS 1971    B31 1952  
B31 1952   B33 1947  B33 1951   DBD34 GS 1958    NSU Supermax 1962    Husqvarna 510TE 1984
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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #7 on: 25.09. 2016 10:33 »
I will see if I can dig up some pickies of the pear in green
In the mean time here are 2 bikes with the round badge in green
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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #8 on: 25.09. 2016 10:38 »
Just a thought from someone with little  A7 Knowledge , is there a black pear shaped A50/65 equivalent
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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #9 on: 25.09. 2016 10:52 »
1963 Sales Brochure:
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A7 1961    A10GF 1954    A10GF 1960    A10GF 1961 sidecar    A10SR 1958    A10SR 1959 
A10SR 1960   A10SR -61  A10SR 1963    A10SR 1963   A65T 1968    A65L 1968   B25SS 1971    B31 1952  
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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #10 on: 25.09. 2016 14:32 »
Just a thought from someone with little  A7 Knowledge , is there a black pear shaped A50/65 equivalent
Black, light blue , dark blue , green, ivory , cream-pale yellow , and red.
The only colours shown in the UK & General export catalogues was red for all models and black on the A7,
However these are all paintings not photos.
According to the factory catalogues the green 4" badges shown in the previous two photos did not exist either.
I think Mike Riley still has some NOS green ones left.
The 1960 and 1961 accessory catalogues have black & white photos of a real US dealer showroom and it is clear that the tank badges are different colours and some quite light.
It needs to be remembered that the catalogues were printed a full year before the bikes were made and the closest likeness to what the factory produced was the 2nd or 3rd edition if there were 3.
The perfect example is the ivory framed B50's.
Every catalogue shows them, none were made except the 2 used for the photo shoots.
The cover of the USA West Coast 1955 catalogue is the same image as the A10- Bantam one used on the cover of Bacon's Book however it shows the A 10 in Princess Grey with a red tank, again another colour scheme that never went into production and from memory no plunger Bantams were maroon.
You can not trust catalogues.
If you read the article written by Stephen Mettan ( BSA Stylist then contract stylist ) he spells this out very clearly about how all the photo shoots were bodged up and how the "board" ruined sales by messing with his colour schemes.

The most accurate descriptions of the colours BSA used are the period road tests and by prefference the later season road tests as these in the USA & Australia were done using actual production bikes borrowed from the distributor or a dealer where as the pre season road tests are the pre production proto types supplied by the factory for the purpose of getting good press and unfavourable reactions caused hasty changes to production bikes, hence the black framed B50's.
The 71 A 50 / A 65's left the factory with ivory frames but the West Coast ones got a hasty change to black frames for which the dealers were supposed to be paid by means of credits on new bikes according the the dealer newsletters but according to dealers a the time the promised credits never eventuated.

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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #11 on: 25.09. 2016 15:12 »
And to add to the confusion, the pears shaped badges originally were only on the 4 gallon tanks, according to the early catalogue.
The 2nd edition just says "new style tank badge" making no mention of the size tank it was fitted to.
The UK ( and oft Australian ) variants quit regularly got whatever tanks were left over so we could be anything up to 2 years behind the USA versions.
IT all gets very murky.
Too many people take Bacon as gospel truth when in fact most of what Bacon published was a rehash of the UK press releases and preseason catalogues that came into the office that he squirreled away then reassembled into 76 books over a 10 year period covering every car & bike made in the UK and a reasonable lump of the aircraft production as well and that does not include all the chapters lifted from a big book then reprinted as a single model book.
And a lot of what he ( or his ghost writers ) wrote applies exclusively the the UK models at best or is plain wrong at the worst.
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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #12 on: 25.09. 2016 18:36 »
Hi All,
         
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no plunger Bantams were maroon

???? My first BSA was a plunger framed D1, 1953, 125cc and Maroon
Got it for free in about 1972

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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #13 on: 25.09. 2016 22:27 »
My father bought a new maroon plunger Bantam in 1953. I remember it well.
I still say that the 1960 on A7SS should have red badges. The parts book shows the same badges for the whole A group, 40-8014/15.

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Re: A7 SS - what colour should the tank badge be
« Reply #14 on: 25.09. 2016 23:31 »
John & Trev

OOOh thats very interesting.
I have no listings what so ever for a maroon Bantam.
Every catledog I have got my grubby mitts on lists the D1 in Green and D3 in Grey
Price lists mention optional black mostly for  £ 1 or so extra for both models, with & without cream side panels
Then there was a colour change for the export model to "Bright Red" , PO Red or Flash Red depending upon the country for 1956 /7.
We are getting a long way from the original post, but this is very interesting.
Thank you both Trev & John.
One maroon Bantam could have been a custom order but 2 and in different countries sound like an option and another reason to add a correction to my files.
I was born in 54 and am the only person in my family to have ever owned a car or motorbike.

Any one have any evidence of the existance of a grey A10 with red tank or for that matter an all grey A 10 ?
If I am going to eat humble pie it might as well be a really big slice.
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