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Cost of shipping
« on: 21.10. 2017 01:59 »
 I wonder what the cost would be to buy that 4 square and get it shipped to me.

 I suppose I would have to find an agent to do all the legwork on that end. Than shipping cost across the ocean. Than freight delivery to my door.

 How come all the bikes I want are over there?

 Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Harley knucklehead,  but you never see a 1938 Areil. *sad2*

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Re: Cost of shipping
« Reply #1 on: 21.10. 2017 03:50 »
the shipping cost will just be the start of it.
You MUST strip the engine before running it, and clean out the sludge traps. Square 4 crankshaft oil drillings are smaller than A10's, and don't have an enlarged gallery to accumulate the sludge. They are less than 1/4"drilling, and always block up. The world-wide supply of crankcases is very low, as too many 4G's have thrown rods.

The engines are complicated compared to A10's, and the cost of overhaul is high.

The camshaft suffers from a lack of lubrication, and there is likely to be lobe and cam follower wear; expensive to repair. Allow 500 pound for a morgo high performance pump, and a spray bar mod from the Ariel owners club (AOMCC) to reduce / eliminate the cam wear issues (additional to the cost of repairing the cam, and the 8 followers).

The rods are also known to fail with time, so allow for a new CNC machined set from the AOMCC; 800 pounds.

Bruce Longman is the club square 4 specialist (and extremely knowledgeable and helpful). He told me the world record for the rocker box NOT leaking, is 500 miles. The original design suffers from poor quality (cheap) alloy material, which christallises and cracks because of the high(er) head temperatures, and a poor design; the valve guides pass through the rocker box, and sealing the joint underneath is mission impossible. These problems can be solved with an aftermarket bronze rocker box (with o-rings sealing the joints) and heavier duty aftermarket rocker covers. Allow around 2,000 pounds or more for these items;they are scarce (very scarce). I have found them for my project.

The magneto is a problem area as well. It runs at engine speed, and wears out rapidly. And is just about an extinct (read expensive) species. I have converted mine to electronic (thorspark); it took three years, and more money than I will admit to, to find a magneto as a starting point.

The bike listed does not have the original PA (governor operated) speedo; they have fitted a later chronomectric. The reason will be the cost of the original (once in a blue moon one will surface; allow up to 1,200 pounds).

The owners clubs, and draganfly provide good support.

Richard
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Re: Cost of shipping
« Reply #2 on: 21.10. 2017 08:17 »
the shipping cost will just be the start of it.
You MUST strip the engine before running it, and clean out the sludge traps. Square 4 crankshaft oil drillings are smaller than A10's, and don't have an enlarged gallery to accumulate the sludge. They are less than 1/4"drilling, and always block up. The world-wide supply of crankcases is very low, as too many 4G's have thrown rods.

The engines are complicated compared to A10's, and the cost of overhaul is high.

The camshaft suffers from a lack of lubrication, and there is likely to be lobe and cam follower wear; expensive to repair. Allow 500 pound for a morgo high performance pump, and a spray bar mod from the Ariel owners club (AOMCC) to reduce / eliminate the cam wear issues (additional to the cost of repairing the cam, and the 8 followers).

The rods are also known to fail with time, so allow for a new CNC machined set from the AOMCC; 800 pounds.

Bruce Longman is the club square 4 specialist (and extremely knowledgeable and helpful). He told me the world record for the rocker box NOT leaking, is 500 miles. The original design suffers from poor quality (cheap) alloy material, which christallises and cracks because of the high(er) head temperatures, and a poor design; the valve guides pass through the rocker box, and sealing the joint underneath is mission impossible. These problems can be solved with an aftermarket bronze rocker box (with o-rings sealing the joints) and heavier duty aftermarket rocker covers. Allow around 2,000 pounds or more for these items;they are scarce (very scarce). I have found them for my project.

The magneto is a problem area as well. It runs at engine speed, and wears out rapidly. And is just about an extinct (read expensive) species. I have converted mine to electronic (thorspark); it took three years, and more money than I will admit to, to find a magneto as a starting point.

The bike listed does not have the original PA (governor operated) speedo; they have fitted a later chronomectric. The reason will be the cost of the original (once in a blue moon one will surface; allow up to 1,200 pounds).

The owners clubs, and draganfly provide good support.

Richard

SHEEE-ITE!  *countdown*

Now, I don't feel so bad about selling my one in 1972 for £120!
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Re: Cost of shipping
« Reply #3 on: 21.10. 2017 09:12 »
Mind you, there are good points too:
A unique, glorious sound (the hint of a V8?)
Acceleration +
Torque + (do most of the riding in top gear)
Smooth as a baby's .......
Easy kick over & starting
Exclusivity. by comparison, Harleys are like opinions; everyone's got one.
It came from Birmingham!
Relatively comfortable (girder forks & rigid rear notwithstanding)
Road presence
Really nice clutch
Your legs are never cold

I started with a rusty old frame found dumped on an farm tip in York, Western Australia. Records show the bike was was sold to an Aberdeen dealer in 1938.
It will be alive & purring within 6 months.

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Re: Cost of shipping
« Reply #4 on: 21.10. 2017 09:22 »
I started with a rusty old frame found dumped on an farm tip in York, Western Australia. Records show the bike was was sold to an Aberdeen dealer in 1938.
It will be alive & purring within 6 months.

I'm sure we would all be interested to see and hear updates.
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« Reply #5 on: 21.10. 2017 09:35 »
I'll work on. It's quite a story (or will be by the time I have told it).

It involves stubbornness, determination, foolishness, money, time, money, research, money......
And A10's have languished whilst all of this has transpired!
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Re: Cost of shipping
« Reply #6 on: 21.10. 2017 10:50 »
What no women ? a good story always has a woman involved somewhere  *smile*
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« Reply #7 on: 21.10. 2017 11:48 »
What no women ? a good story always has a woman involved somewhere  *smile*
Look, it's obvious by the amount of money Richard is spending on m'bikes; he's single.  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: 21.10. 2017 15:25 »
He hasn't been single for 37 years, but will be if his wife reads this thread!
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« Reply #9 on: 21.10. 2017 20:54 »
hi Richard, sounds like a book coming on, keep up the good work, cheers
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