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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #30 on: 04.11. 2017 22:13 »
hi guys, Trevor when you say (manual end caps) what part are you referring to? if it is the ali end bit with the advance/retard on, that part needs the corresponding body as it is not the same as the auto advance body, DAMHIK, cheers
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #31 on: 04.11. 2017 22:18 »
Good question Hubse -
If you mean that you should find the best possible position of the camring at full advance, and then set the pin's position, then 'definitely yes'.

If you mean the pin should simply be set to let the camring go as far as it can go in the advanced direction, then the answer would be 'no'.

What you want is the points to open just after the point of maximum flux change, the 'flip' point, of the armature, in the fully advanced position. If you were to set the camring limit pin as far 'advanced' as it could be, then there is the risk of over-advancing and losing the sparks, especially at higher rpm. The magnetic lines of flux 'bend' with speed, so what seems fine at low speed becomes a problem at high speed.

There is also, sometimes, the need for a small compromise to make quite sure that the plunger that operates the camring can not disengage from its notch either at full advance or at full retard. Wear on the plunger, and sometimes on the notch in the camring, can cause this - and sometimes it can happen where a camring has been replaced and the notches cut just a tiny bit out of position.

It won't make a huge difference if the pin isn't in the absolutely perfect place, but the nearer the better!
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #32 on: 05.11. 2017 00:57 »
hi guys, Trevor when you say (manual end caps) what part are you referring to? if it is the ali end bit with the advance/retard on, that part needs the corresponding body as it is not the same as the auto advance body, DAMHIK, cheers

You sure on that.
I am fairly sure I put a manual advance on my original A10 and all that got changed was the end and from memory some shims
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #33 on: 05.11. 2017 05:27 »
Think the confusion arose if the end housing was square, using 1/4" screws, as opposed to rectangular with 2BA (or vice versa). 
Housings from K2FC and K2F won't interchange, but like-for-like should be fine.
New housings aren't cheap, but there are some good CNC-machined ones out there, for the C versions anyway (not sure about the standard version).
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #34 on: 05.11. 2017 07:04 »
hi guys, Trevor just took some pics and as you can see they are different. I suppose you could make each fit the other if you were to drill/tap as required but these are the ones i have, also a couple that are not k2f, cheers
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #35 on: 06.01. 2019 08:48 »
Jools, these are the ones that I have do you have a corresponding mag body to take the same one as the manual one in the pic ,cheers
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #36 on: 25.01. 2019 07:49 »
Hi guys, a nice example of a manual ignition mag for getting fine timing adjustment, cheers
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #37 on: 25.01. 2019 08:52 »
Lovely job kiwipom.
'Chapeau!' as we say hereabouts.
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #38 on: 25.01. 2019 11:05 »
Lovely job kiwipom.
'Chapeau!' as we say hereabouts.

Not being a Fench speaker, (did metalwork and woodwork at our school; no foreign languages)  I needed to look that word up.

Word forms: chapeau, plural chapeaux
masculine noun
1.  (= couvre-chef) hat
un chapeau de paille a straw hat
tirer son chapeau à qn to take one’s hat off to sb

chapeau ! well done!

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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #39 on: 25.01. 2019 20:15 »
hi guys, just to reiterate this is NOT something that i have done just saw it on another site but something that i will be hoping to achieve in the near future it is a nice job by someone else, cheers 
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #40 on: 25.01. 2019 20:19 »
Lovely job kiwipom.
'Chapeau!' as we say hereabouts.

Not being a Fench speaker, (did metalwork and woodwork at our school; no foreign languages)  I needed to look that word up.

Word forms: chapeau, plural chapeaux
masculine noun
1.  (= couvre-chef) hat
un chapeau de paille a straw hat
tirer son chapeau à qn to take one’s hat off to sb

chapeau ! well done!

Chapeau melon = bowler hat. See why the bowler hat was never popular in France?
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #41 on: 26.01. 2019 00:02 »
G'day kp.
Is that an auto advance system with a manual "fine tuning" set up?
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #42 on: 26.01. 2019 04:17 »
G'day kp.
Is that an auto advance system with a manual "fine tuning" set up?
Cheers
hi Musky yes I believe that is what it is,cheers
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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #43 on: 26.01. 2019 09:07 »
Hello, KP
             That's exactly the mod I did on my A10 mag, about 10 years ago.  Goes well and never misses a beat.

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Re: ignition timing on a K2F
« Reply #44 on: 26.01. 2019 21:40 »
hi guys, good to hear raindodger, the info that was attached to the pic indicated that the auto timing device was set at full advance then fine adjustment via the manual part, cheers
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