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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #240 on: 08.06. 2018 09:48 »
Guys, I love you! The person who first came/comes up with the answer gets a big wet sloppy kiss from me.

I'm strongly suspecting the 'Collets hitting the guides' theory. I may assemble the head with only the inner valve springs so I can see what's going on. I agree, my valve stems do seem to protrude further than they should. I'll check that I have collets that match the valve stems. I'd hate to take metal off the guides and holding collets against the bench grinder would be fun! However, I'll do something. I may take my valves to my engineering shop and ask them to grind the collet step further up the stem.

duTch, I'll get some new valve springs if their length turns out to not be the problem.
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #241 on: 08.06. 2018 10:00 »
G'day GB.
What length are those springs?
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #242 on: 08.06. 2018 10:32 »
GB, Have you ruled out valves touching pistons? If not a thin layer of blue tack laid on their tops would be clean and safe and would show up the slightest dent.
(Edit) Same would go for the guides etc.

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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #243 on: 08.06. 2018 10:34 »
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #244 on: 08.06. 2018 10:42 »
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #246 on: 08.06. 2018 10:53 »
GB, Have you ruled out valves touching pistons? If not a thin layer of blue tack laid on their tops would be clean and safe and would show up the slightest dent.
(Edit) Same would go for the guides etc.
I have not ruled anything out Roger. I have some engineers blue, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer%27s_blue  that I could put on the piston to see if the valves get marked by it.
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« Reply #247 on: 08.06. 2018 11:01 »
Jeez GB what a ball ache this part of the rebuild as turned into for you ,best of luck over the weekend ,Bob *good3*
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« Reply #248 on: 08.06. 2018 11:20 »
Jeez GB what a ball ache this part of the rebuild as turned into for you ,best of luck over the weekend ,Bob *good3*
TD, I'm expecting to find that I've made some stupid schoolboy error!
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #249 on: 08.06. 2018 12:41 »
Right then, Friday morning, (the day I should riding to Norfolk!). First thing was a good tidy up. I'm not very good at keeping my work area tidy while I'm working. I don't have very much room so the workbench and hoist were covered in tools, oil, paper towel, rags, bits of BSA etc. etc. A clean bench helps to focus the mind, doesn't it.

Musky, the springs were all about 1.873". I took 60 thou from each one, so now they are around 1.813".

duTch, the pushrods, (from SRM) have the length printed on them. Have a look below

edboy, here is a photo of the two old camshafts that I have. As you can see the reconditioned camshaft and the followers are pretty well buggered! The other one may well be the original item.

The stems protrude 9/32", (just over 1/4").

The collet design is deffo not correct for these valves. They work OK, as you can see in the fifth picture but may well be too low on the stem, which may be a problem now with this slightly higher lift cam. I found an image of some NOS collets for sale on Ebay. They are much shorter!

The Inlet valve that I have the springs off can open 1/4" before the collet touches the valve guide.

While I've been writing this I've had the idea of, while the head is on the bench and the springs are removed of checking valve protrusion inside the combustion chamber when depressed and seeing if it's possible for the valves with only 1/4" of travel to touch the pistons, which do not come to the top of the bore at TDC. More later.
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #250 on: 08.06. 2018 13:11 »
WOW, wrong collets.
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #251 on: 08.06. 2018 13:21 »
WOW, wrong collets.
Indeed! With the previous camshaft that I fitted six years ago, I either ignored them as they worked or didn't notice. See, schoolboy error on my part!  *sad2*

I've contacted C&D Autos who are about 10 miles from here; they have a set of original style collets. When Wifey returns with the car I'll make my way over there and get them.

If they have new valve springs I'll buy some.
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #252 on: 08.06. 2018 13:31 »
...I had a thought earlier that maybe the top collar/collets were hitting the tops of the guides
I came across an A10 head where the components were mixed up and Super rocket valves and collets were fitted to
iron head valve caps, they do not fit correctly

It's looking like the big sloppy wet kiss is coming your way John! 😋
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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #253 on: 08.06. 2018 14:11 »
If I were you John I'd leave the country p.d.q. *eek*

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Re: GB is not OK!
« Reply #254 on: 08.06. 2018 14:12 »
Both collets are wrong. The NOS ones are Norton or suchlike. The springs don't look right either. Lucky man being close to C & D. Best spares supplier there is. Did you take the head across with you to show what's needed?
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