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Another fine ride
« on: 19.06. 2018 19:18 »
As part of my ongoing engine breaking-in I had an 80 mile round trip ride out today to this place https://goo.gl/Ri3J7G where I sat out at a pavement table for a Cream Tea. Burford is a tourist magnet. Me and the bike will be appearing in a few Japanese holiday snaps!

The bike is going really well! Possibly slight tappet rattle when really hot but things settle down and need adjusting after any strip, don't they. The only oil leak appears to be from the flippin oil tank filter & outlet plug. When I drain the tank for the engine's, (is that apostrophe correct?) 500 mile oil change I'll put new fibre washers on it!

While the engine was stripped I put a new oil check ball and spring in, (seating the ball with some light tapping). Today I thought I'd take the sump plug out to check for wet sumping. About a 1/4 pint of oil came out; about the same as ever came out of this engine after a rest of a couple of days. So, the new parts do not seem to have made any difference. Poo!


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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #1 on: 19.06. 2018 20:33 »
G'day GB.
Gee you have some beautiful towns over there. I see Google maps street view has improved, even getting inside a few shops.
1/4 pint is about right. That's the amount of oil splashing around in there when running.
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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #2 on: 19.06. 2018 20:48 »
G'day GB.
Gee you have some beautiful towns over there. I see Google maps street view has improved, even getting inside a few shops.
I often say I really love Britain. When we've been abroad, to say a Greek beach holiday, as the plane flies over the UK landscape the green is fantastic! We only have a tiny country; compared to Australia or America. It must appear rather park-like to visitors.
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1/4 pint is about right. That's the amount of oil splashing around in there when running.
Cheers
Oh, ok, thanks.

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #3 on: 20.06. 2018 07:22 »

The bike is going really well! Possibly slight tappet rattle when really hot but things settle down and need adjusting after any strip, don't they. The only oil leak appears to be from the flippin oil tank filter & outlet plug. When I drain the tank for the engine's, (is that apostrophe correct?) 500 mile oil change I'll put new fibre washers on it!


As a relatively newbie to GF, is this a common problem “tapped rattle” when the engine is hot or is an indicator that adjustments are required.

Kind regards Andy

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #4 on: 20.06. 2018 08:48 »
I've mostly found on alloy heads that the tappets get quieter when hot as the gap closes up and if set too tight/close they can prop the valves open when really hot. I'd say the iron heads aren't as prone. If the noise is very bad when hot it could be a loose guide.
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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #5 on: 20.06. 2018 09:28 »

 
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...... is this a common problem “tapped rattle” ...........

 Initially wasn't sure what you meant, but figured on 'tappet rattle', but as the term 'tappet could mean anything between the cam followers/lifters and 'valve-lash adjusters, (I've said before and probably say a million more times,but believe the term 'tappet' stems from the side-valve engine where the adjusters were between the lifters and valve stem, and is not a physical thing).....but um...  *conf2*  lost my thougt....h

 
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..... About a 1/4 pint of oil came out; .........., to say a Greek beach holiday.........

 If that equates to  about 170 Ml or so is what I get when I drain after use before a change

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Re: Another fine ride
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..... About a 1/4 pint of oil came out; .........., to say a Greek beach holiday.........
That mixed up quote amused me. It's probably something to do with the Greek food!

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #7 on: 30.06. 2018 18:03 »
When I drain the tank for the engine's, (is that apostrophe correct?)

Apostrophe is correct *smile*

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #8 on: 02.07. 2018 23:16 »
I've mostly found on alloy heads that the tappets get quieter when hot as the gap closes up and if set too tight/close they can prop the valves open when really hot. I'd say the iron heads aren't as prone. If the noise is very bad when hot it could be a loose guide.
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Thanks Muskrat, I’m on a run this weekend and hopefully when back will check over. My dad always said if it’s not broken don’t fix it son...man of few word but very enlightened!

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #9 on: 03.07. 2018 05:44 »
Greybeard, for an easy check of wetsump rate remove the drain plug , drain off the initial amount then place a clean empty container below the drain for a set period, say 12 hrs or 24 hrs.
Measure how much ( if any) oil collects.
Hopefully it will be a tiny amount.

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #10 on: 03.07. 2018 13:33 »
When I drain the tank for the engine's, (is that apostrophe correct?)

Apostrophe is correct *smile*

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #11 on: 03.07. 2018 20:13 »
Engine noise and rattles are relative.  A japanese bike owner will find all of them alarming,,  Alloy heads and cast iron sound different not to mention the Cast Iron generally has much lower compression, less aggressive cams and more stable in its cooling and heating cycles.  ( A cast iron air compressor pump is much more desirable than a Alloy one for longevity)
Rocker arm and pushrods are a compromise for heat and expansion so some models in a very general sense are quite noisy on start up, but all should quiet down once heated.  Cast iron top ends have a much different tone to them from bit clanking around.
Many years ago built a Norton Atlas for a young guy who never had a British bike before,,, We had to make a few exceptions due to his budget, But he was generally pleased but there was a long road of education with him on BritBike ownership.  He took delivery when it was still warm and test road it, showed him how to start it properly etc..  2 days later calls and said its not circulating oil and coming apart. (Panic on my part) I rode to his house and nothing wrong with it.  Spent half a day showing him how it all worked.  (But is it SUPPOSED to make those noises??).  He complained about vibration as well,,, which was funny AND annoying because YES,, Norton Atlases are known for shaking and vibration,,, But that was one SMOOTH Atlas because I had blueprinted and dynamically balanced the engine.  So compared to most it was exceptionally smooth.   He finally shut up about it (Sometimes it take a 3rd party to put things in perspective) And I found out that he had taken the bike to another Norton owner and asked for his feedback.
The other guy let him ride another Atlas and that was the last complaint I ever got and the other guy approached me later and told me what a good job we had done on the bike and had told that kid so.

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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #12 on: 10.07. 2018 21:43 »
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Re: Another fine ride
« Reply #13 on: 10.07. 2018 22:48 »
Hey Sluggo, I'm a B+, do I pass?? *beer*

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