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Tank Badges
« on: 26.10. 2018 03:56 »
Hi gents,
A bit confused here. I’ve looked at umpteen dozen images online of 62 A10 Spitfire Scramblers.
3 different badges appear on so-called unrestored or restored-to-original  machines. Which of the 3 below are correct? Mine has the piled arms badges fitted. I know the Gold Star badges were fitted to the RGS Scrambler so unlikely they were used I guess.

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Re: Tank Badges
« Reply #1 on: 26.10. 2018 08:36 »
Hi Pete,
depends on  year and witch Tank you have. The pilled arms are 3.5 inch diameter and the Golstar Badge is 4 inch.

The first year of introdution in 1957 the Spitfire Scrambler  shows the Goldstar Badge on a catalogue from Hap Alzina.
The brochures show a mix between the pilled arms and the last badge but with no sign which year it is.
The Model 1961 the peared Badge.

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Re: Tank Badges
« Reply #2 on: 26.10. 2018 08:56 »
Thanks Klaus, yes, 57 was a Gold Star hence the use of that badge. My A10 is a 62 model (built November 61). I know the tank isn’t original as the PO told me he replaced it due to the (presumably) original one being un-repairable. I’ll have to measure my badges. (Bike is in transit at present)

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Re: Tank Badges
« Reply #3 on: 26.10. 2018 20:37 »
You really can not trust catalogues.
In ma,y cases they were photos of mock ups of what the marketing department thought the production department was going to make.
They often depict finishes that never happened.
Like a pearl grey A 10 with a red tank or a black framed B33 with ivory guards, black airbox & oil tank and saphire blue tank.

Now back to the badges.
Rule of thumb, very rule of thumb is the smaller "competition" tanks got the 4" Gold Star badge usually in red and the larger "touring/ road" tanks got the smaller laurel wreath / garter belt / piled arms badge.
The 8 point star badge was new in 60/61 season for the new  B40 "Star"
In the UK 62 early catalogue ( Pre-units ) it is shown fitted to both the B40 & C15 road models.
2 months latter in the 1962 A50/65 UK catalogue, the 8 point star is only shown on the B40, the C15 is depicted wearing the comet / pear
The USA East catalogue  for 1962 shows only the Spitfire scrambler with the 8 point star on a 3 gallon tank which is the first time it appears on a twin.
The 1964 East catalogue shows the Spit with the 4 gallon tank and Gold Star badges, no modes with the 8 point star badge.

The best refference is the road tests in period magazines and in particular road tests that appear late in the season as they are often done with showroom / demo bikes from the warehouse so are at least real motorcycles and not a photo studio mock up.
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Re: Tank Badges
« Reply #4 on: 26.10. 2018 22:50 »
Thanks for the detailed reply Trevor. Info on Spitfires is pretty scarce. It’d be great to find a period road test in a magazine. I’ll have to keep my eye out.

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Re: Tank Badges
« Reply #5 on: 28.10. 2018 08:46 »
Libraries, particularly those attached to trade schools usually have good supplies of old periodicals.
You won't be able to borrow them but you can spend a few hours browsing.
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Re: Tank Badges
« Reply #6 on: 28.10. 2018 09:20 »
G'day Pete.
What size dent in the tank you got 3,1/2 or 4" That tells you which badge.
I won't tell anyone, honest.
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