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Hi mates
my R/R has sooty exhausts , The carby is a 376/286  Amal mono' 1 1/16"  the pilot was right but the main jet was 250, should be I think 240, would that  cause it to be that rich, the needle was at No2 groove so dropped it to leanest just to see what happens, any thoughts?
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #1 on: 31.01. 2019 20:09 »
Exhausts will always be sooty on a carb fed bike. The colour of the plugs will tell you more about what’s happening in the combustion chambers. A colourtune may also be a wise investment for setting up your carb
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #2 on: 31.01. 2019 20:33 »
G'day Barry.
Dropping the needle (raising the clip) should help but the needle jet and needle wear. it would only take half a thou" to give the same result as the next size up jet. I'd replace both.
As morris said plug colour is the best way to tune with plug chops. I have a spare Colour Tune you could borrow. Their good for getting pilot and slide right. Plug chops for needle and main.
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #3 on: 01.02. 2019 06:54 »
Hi Mates
My ex' pipes are thick w/ soot after I cleaned them after about a week
Thanks for the help and offer, but I'm in WA, I have a colour tune hven't used it for years , will dig it out , I think maybe the fuel level is too high, when I took the pilot jet cap off  petrol took ages to stop flowing ( after a very hot day and night, will let you know how I get on
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #4 on: 01.02. 2019 13:22 »
G'day Barry.
Put a piece of clear tube (fish tank air line) over the pilot and bring it up p[ast the float bowl. Turn fuel tap on and see where the fuel level is. Should be a pip in the middle of the bowl cover.
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #5 on: 01.02. 2019 19:23 »
Lowering the needle to compensate for a worn needle jet will make the mixture weak at typical highway speed throttle openings.  That can be dangerous to your engine.

Get a new needle jet.

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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #6 on: 26.04. 2019 00:44 »
Hi Mates
I got a new needle jet, it was about .004 dia' smaller than the old ("chrome plated ") Amal jet I took off, I have a feeling that was a Indian?  copy,, but now it dosen't tick over too well  and when I take off from start it misses and cuts out  , still goes well at speed though ,, the exhaust pipes still getting sooty just after a short ride I don't get it on to main jet ( flat out ) much, will be putting new plugs in today,, I checked the fuel level , that was spot on
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #7 on: 26.04. 2019 06:52 »
G'day Barry.
4 thou is a long way in needle jets. For example going from a 109 to 105 *ex* or are you meaning the needle? Always best to replace both the jet and needle.
A 55 RR should have a 1,1/16 TT9 carb. A 376 with 1,1/16" is a 57-59 SR carb should have 250 main, 25 pilot, 3,1/2 slide, 106 needle jet, clip 4 from top, pilot screw between 1,1/2 to 2,1/2 turns out.
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #8 on: 26.04. 2019 08:16 »
Hi Mates
Just remembered it has a later SR engine fitted , when it was cold was missing a bit when pulling away ,  did about 50 ks   went fine when warm, will put the colour-tune on this PM
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #9 on: 26.04. 2019 08:29 »
G'day Barry.
Colourtune is your friend for up to 1/4 throttle unless you have a set of starter rollers then it's up to flat out. From 1/4 on it's seat of your pants and plug chops.
Their all different depending on comp, timing, temp and if you got any recently *smile*.
Are you within 100 miles of Richard (orobanda)?
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #10 on: 27.04. 2019 23:35 »
Hi Mates
put the colour tune on , it was spot on at tick-over but the engine was still missing at tickover , it has high compression ( I have to get it over compression before kicking )  and sound like a lumpy tuned up motor,, I didn't C/tune above idle didn't think that would mean anything, will do Monday
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #11 on: 28.04. 2019 01:28 »
G'day Barry.
Have you ever used a timing light on her to check the timing exactly whilst running? You'd be surprised how far out the old pencil down the plug hole can be. Especially with a high comp motor timing needs to be a tad retarded.
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #12 on: 28.04. 2019 15:37 »
The engines with the 357 cam do have a lopey , cammy idle when warm, or at least mine sure does.
Ive no prior experience with these bikes and at first thought the idle needed improvement, although its actually a strong idle, no dieing.
Then I listened carefully to half a dozen or so YouTube videos of running post 61 Super Rockets.
Every bike had the same idle as mine.
Now I like the sound, it's a signature BSA 357 idle.
These are HHC bikes afterall.
I haven't given a good listen to the earlier HHC engines with a bit lower compression and 356 cam. I suspect they may have a similar idle.
I've also noticed that the idle of this SR is dead smooth when cold. I think this is because I lift the slide  ever so little to maintain running when cold.
Later on when the engine is warm and the slide is dropped onto the idle stop, the brup brup idle comes in.
So the cammy sounding idle may be down to air /fuel mixture idiosyncrasies of the BSA A10 inlet tract, not the cams and compression.
 Edit- here is an early HHC in a 57 Road Rocket. The idle sounds very much like my 63 SR.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQIoP_iNDwQ

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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #13 on: 29.04. 2019 02:11 »
Hi Mates
Hi Torn--thanks for that, took it on a 200Ks run yesterday ran well only "missed once slightly" but is harder to start now , have to give good hard kicks usually  on the center-stand , then when it starts it's usually one one the then other comes in , will test the quality/strength of the park today
Barry
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Re: Roadrocket 1955 ( not super) has sooty exhausts
« Reply #14 on: 29.04. 2019 02:19 »
hi Mates
should have been strength of "spark"
Hey Muskrat-- how do test w/ timing light on the magneto?
Barry
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