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fork seal holder
« on: 24.04. 2022 19:42 »
Have owned BSAs for almost 60yrs and in that time stripped & re-assembled their front forks dozens of times. Never had one leak oil on me until I did my GF a couple of years ago. Just would not stop dripping oil to the extent I gave up and let the forks run dry if they wanted.
Well, today I decided to drop one of the fork legs and take a look. I add that this was - as far as I recall - the first time I'd used stainless fork seal holders, because I'd got tired of having to replace them when they got rusty despite my road bikes never going out in rain / damp conditions.
I'd suspected the oil seal wasn't being clamped properly between the holder and the fork leg, which was proved correct. The thread on the leg is 1/2" max, though only 7/16" is ever used. The seal is 5/16" thick, so it follows the holder recess depth should be close to 3/4" (7/16 + 5/16). It was actually 15/16", meaning the oil seal was floating around unclamped. I turned up some 3/16" spacers to put above the oil seal, and now the latter is clamped normally. Hopefully an end to oil leaks.
Conclusion - if you're inclined to use stainless oil seal holders, best check the depth of recess before fitting. I didn't, mainly because I have an (ill-founded) notion that if I have to check others' work then either they shouldn't be doing the job - or I'd be better off doing it myself. Can't now recall the supplier, otherwise I'd warn members to check their products.

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Re: fork seal holder
« Reply #1 on: 24.04. 2022 22:48 »
G'day RD.
I have ss holders on the Cafe for over 10 years now. Although I don't ride her much now she has never leaked. The thread in the holders was VERY tight on the sliders and I too never checked the depth.
The real problem with the design is if the seal goes west the oil will fill the holder till it dribbles over the top. By this time a fair amount of the oil in the leg has escaped. The other problem is water can get in and sit on top of the seal rusting the leg and holder  *bash*
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Re: fork seal holder
« Reply #2 on: 25.04. 2022 06:59 »
I found that with stainless seal holders you couldn't use standard oil seals. A quick measure and look at on-line oil seal suppliers quickly found appropriate ones. No more leaks!
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Re: fork seal holder
« Reply #3 on: 25.04. 2022 09:47 »
Had a thought overnight: 5/16 + 3/16" (oil seal + my spacing ring) = 1/2". What if the seals are supposed to be 1/2" thick? If they were, things would fit OK. After all, I seem to recall the seals I used to fit years ago were a bit thicker and all rubber (often a pig to get past the thread). Seals I have now are steel backed, so this morning I went to the store and hooked out an old oil seal holder. The recess depth is within a smidgeon of the stainless ones, so it seems it was just a coincidence that when I changed to stainless holders the seals supplied (a supplier well known to us) were incompatible.
Looks like we need to check the recess depth / seal thickness anyway, but my assumption that the seal holder was at fault was apparently misplaced. One plus for the stainless holders, though - they don't suffer from a tight thread (at least mine didn't, Musky!) as many chromed ones do (a result of chrome penetrating the thread area). Had to send some back in the past, as even an internal thread chaser couldn't clean them up enough to get them to fit.
 
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Re: fork seal holder
« Reply #4 on: 25.04. 2022 10:04 »
I got a pair from a certain well-known seller of stainless products and they were too tight to screw on.
It took a good couple of hours toing-and-froing with fine grinding paste to get them to a nice smooth assembly fit.
Then again, I bought a chrome pair from a certain Midlands firm specialising in BSA, Triumph and Norton some years back, and  they were so tight (due to excess chrome plate on the threads) that the chrome plate was peeling off in strips under hand pressure.

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Re: fork seal holder
« Reply #5 on: 25.04. 2022 19:48 »
Just measured my spare fork oil seals - Pioneer and Weston - they are 0.375 inch or about 9.5 mm thick.

Found an old worn chrome seal holder in the bits box - removed the old steel backed seal which is a little bit under 0.375 inch thick.

The depth of seal recess in the holder is approx 0.875 inch or about 22 mm.

My old Payen seal catalogue gives seal thickness as 9.5 mm.

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Re: fork seal holder
« Reply #6 on: 27.04. 2022 21:12 »
I'd ordered a set over the weekend... then saw this post. I was pleased to find that not only did the seals I happened to have fitted but the threads were fine too. All went together without any difficulty.
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