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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #15 on: 19.09. 2020 20:40 »
I had a 3TA, Triumph 21. The A10 is a much better machine.

I would have to strip the engine of a bike that I didn't know had been worked on by someone I trusted. The sludge trap referred to is in the crankshaft, so the engine needs to be taken apart to access it.

My rebuild cost several thousand pounds. I started off wanting to just get the bike going but found that one new part made other parts look so bad I had to carry on spending money. I think the term is known as 'Project Creep'. I'm glad I did a proper job; I'm very proud of my Emily.

So you should be, it's a fine looking bike.

As for the thread topic, I'd start it with fresh oil, listen, and if it sounded right give it a thorough service and ride it.

Your ears tell you how an A10 is more than anything else for me. If it rattles, clanks or bangs, something's awry.

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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #16 on: 19.09. 2020 20:57 »
Thank you guys for your helpful wisdom.
So new rims, spokes, lacing, tubes & tyres £600ish.
Chain, sprockets & battery £200ish.
Engine rebuild, up to £2k?
So what should I offer for a non running, full restoration project.
You've convinced me to keep the 3TA & perhaps make a cash offer, or walk away!
I'm viewing the 1960 bike on Wednesday, but a daily runner with upgrades, but scruffy sold on ebay for£3300, with just 2 bids, so I think this covid panic is affecting prices currently.
Perhaps I should go for a scruffy but sound bike?
Thanks again for sharing your experiance with a novice!

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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #17 on: 19.09. 2020 21:28 »
I think the ebay price is correct.
I paid roughly the same for the plunger a couple of years ago. It was a runner, complete with all the tinware but in a sorry state.
In my book a non runner should be at least a thousand cheaper.
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #18 on: 20.09. 2020 09:46 »
I know what you're now thinking GB, and I know what your thinking about! *smile*
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #19 on: 20.09. 2020 15:48 »
One thing I've always believed is that any old British bike which has been unused for a period and  is fitted with a Mazak oil pump should never be attempted to start before stripping out the oil pump and checking that it's free to rotate.
My current A7 bore this out, in that while the engine appeared free the oil pump would barely rotate. It certainly wouldn't have survived a couple of thousand RPM for very long at all.. *sad2*

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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #20 on: 20.09. 2020 19:59 »
And yet the derelict A7 I bought for £45 that had been left outside with the plugs out and engine full of water is still using the same mazak oil pump 40,000 miles later. Just lucky I guess.
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #21 on: 20.09. 2020 20:44 »
    Now while the oil pump lives in its own protective oil filled cavity, there is no doubt that the Mazak "grows" over time, and on some pumps more than others. This is why, unused, they seize. Some pumps I have seen are cracked and bloated, others as good as the day they were made. So, yes, you can be lucky, but in the light of experience as a a first step a drain of the sump, timing cover and oil pump off, and a pressure fed dose of fresh oil down the oilway to the timing bush would be my first move on an unknown or long time sleeper engine. Just jumping on the kicker has a good chance of doing damage to the pump and drive gear.

   As to the pump, a hot air gun usually expands a seized one enough to be dismantled, there is plenty on the Forum on ways of fettling what you have and the expensive alternative(s).

 Back to Pete's Possible Purchase. A late model with all the R&D sorted, plentiful spares from any number of sources! By no means a distress must have purchase, and if he makes a reasonable offer, will the seller walk away and be faced with more hassle getting rid? By my reckoning Pete's in the driving seat, but only he can put a price on the value.

 Watch this space folks, meanwhile gimme the address.

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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #22 on: 20.09. 2020 23:11 »
Wheels can be sorted for quite a lot less than 600 quid I would have thought. I put semi finished stainless rims on my SR and having polished them on the buff and carefully re-spoked they look the business. I think the total cost was around $380 NZD which is less than 200 quid. I agree about the oil pump especially if the bike has been stored with old black oil in it. You should get a clue from the external appearance if it shows signs of acne then it is kaput. If not I'd still take it off and see if it spins easily. Spose you aren't going to be able to do all this prior to committing to the deal but for my money it would be an A10 over a small Triumph Twin any day. That said if you aren't confident with mechanicals.................?
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #23 on: 30.09. 2020 22:04 »
I finally saw the A10 today.
Apparently  dealer has offered £3000 for it *lol*
I think money would be better spent starting with a runner.
Thanks for all your help & advice.
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #24 on: 01.10. 2020 06:56 »
Or $5402 AU, which sounds about right for a complete, project A10. I doubt a dealer would offer that much as they need to add on a profit margin to pay overheads. And yes, it's always less money to buy a running machine than to rebuild/restore.
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #25 on: 01.10. 2020 08:42 »
I agree, I seriously doubt that any dealer would offer three (or even 1 1/2) grand for that bike as it stands.
That said, I prefer a good project over someone else's shiny bodges any day.
Get it for a price you're happy with and you've got the makings of a good bike.

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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #26 on: 01.10. 2020 09:20 »
I prefer a good project over someone else's shiny bodges any day.
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #27 on: 01.10. 2020 10:16 »
So right. In this month's Roadholder (Norton Owners Club mag) is a tale of someone who paid a lot for a shiny "restored" 650SS wanting a bike ready to ride. Oh dear oh dear...
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #28 on: 01.10. 2020 11:31 »
Offer 1 1/2 but set 2,000 as your limit.
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Re: Should I buy A10, not run for 38 years
« Reply #29 on: 01.10. 2020 14:31 »
hi Peter, whereabouts do you live ,just thought maybe you may be near someone  on tis forum who a) could let you possibly see there A10,b) help you if you go ahead with getting one , if you are anywhere near Liverpool You could come here and have a look ,listen to mine.
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