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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #15 on: 15.09. 2009 07:41 »
Rico,
          Post some pictures of your frame and let the resident experts have a go at identifying it.
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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #16 on: 15.09. 2009 13:58 »
This an interesting thread for me since I am trying to make a reasonably good replica of a '62 Rocket Gold Star from an A10 with a '55 frame, which of course has the 50's front engine lugs and half height gusset plate over the steering head. If I modify these to 60's spec I will have to restamp the same frame number on the left side of the new shape gusset as described by 'dynodave'. The V5C will still show the  '55 frame number so I'm not trying to con anyone, just want to make a good replica and make it difficult for my critical bunch of classic bike mates, who are dying to crawl all over it, to spot the differences. This conversion is much more difficult/expensive to do a good job than people might have you believe. Snippets like the position of the frame number are helpful.
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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #17 on: 15.09. 2009 22:52 »
Alan,
          To make your frame like a 60's type, you will have to grind out every weld and reweld it with an electric welder.
The early frames were gas welded.
You will also have to fabricate and fit new centre stand mounts.
Sounds like too much work to me.
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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #18 on: 16.09. 2009 06:16 »
I will post some pics of the frame, forks and rear swing arm, but I tried and the files were too big. I'm gonna have to take some lower resolution pics or learn how to shrink the files

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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #19 on: 16.09. 2009 07:10 »
I think I got it. I have many more if anyone wants to see more

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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #20 on: 16.09. 2009 10:35 »
Rico, those are '56-'57 Ariel hubs so you might be right about '57 scrambler with later motor and mods.
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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #21 on: 16.09. 2009 15:50 »
More pics of wheels

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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #22 on: 16.09. 2009 23:08 »
My guess is a 60s spitfire scrambler frame with '56 - '57 wheels and forks.
The '57 spitfires had 1/2 width brake drums.
What year or model is your engine?
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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #23 on: 17.09. 2009 03:41 »
The engine is # DA10 R 3335 which should be 61 Super Rocket. It gets so confusing researching the Scrambler because there is so much conflicting info in both literature and on various websites. I've done a few unit bikes and a 441 VS and those were simple compared to this. One website says that 57 was the only year without the passenger pillion tubes yet I see many other years without them and since my steering neck has the full gusset that would say 60 or 61. The area where the tool box goes only has the one bolt boss also. Did any years of the Scrambler have full width alloy hubs? I just sold a 57 Road Rocket engine when I thought this bike was a 61 Super Rocket. I think here in the states this bike might be a nightmare to restore to some sembelence of stock considering no vin#

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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #24 on: 17.09. 2009 22:27 »
The scramblers had full width iron hubs post about 1958.
Apparently the Spitfire engine in 1960 - 61 was a DA10SR prefix.
I still feel you have a hybrid of Spitfire frame with Rocket engine and 1956-7 wheels, forks and swinging arm.
After 40+ years, anything is possible. It could be the result of a major accident or just put together out of someone's shed.
It doesn't matter, it's all BSA, so enjoy.
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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #25 on: 18.09. 2009 04:34 »
I think I share your opinion of what year most the parts are for. It just gets confusing with some of the books and websites that have so many different opinions.

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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #26 on: 18.09. 2009 23:02 »
i heard bsa used a lot of different  parts when items ran out
when they were putting them together

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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #27 on: 19.09. 2009 04:22 »
I sent a bunch of pics to a guy with a lot of scramblers and he agreed with muskrat that I have Ariel hubs. So that with 61 Super Rocket engine, and post 60 replacement frame, and 56/57 maybe BSA forks means I have a mutt. I wish it were closer to one orginal bike including a tank and I might have restored it.  I've posted this one and a numbers matching frame and engine 59 Super Rocket turned semi chopper on Craigs list.

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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #28 on: 19.09. 2009 09:00 »
Rocket man is quite correct. I was talking to someone recently who's father worked in the BSA factory and he said if they ran out of parts they used whatever they could find.
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Re: 1961 super rocket vin id
« Reply #29 on: 19.09. 2009 10:24 »
and at the end of the day what does it matter its still a bsa
and if it wernt for people like us there wouldn't be eany  on the
road what does it matter if its not original a lot of our bikes havint
got original parts on them a lot of them are new parts which id say
are better than original  *smile*