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Offline David Tinsley

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #15 on: 06.10. 2021 18:48 »
Here's what it looks like inside.

1959-62 outer cover is my 1960 GF outer cover.

The other 1954-58 cover is what yours is like (different gear change set up).

The kick start quadrants and springs are the same. The spring hooks over the quadrant on one end and is secured by a screw through the cover on other end, (from the inside and secured outside by a special nut).
The spring is under very strong tension when fitted and to stop it unwinding when removing and refitting the cover use the clutch arm to jam it (see where circled). If your spring has broken you probably won't need to do that to remove the cover but you will to fit it.

Another thing is that on swing arm the front footrest has a long bolt through it from the right side, then a distance tube, through the frame bits, through another distance tube with a locator peg and then through the left footrest, where it is all secured by a washer and nut (it's a fiddly job).

To make it easy I always remove the exhaust and silencer to remove either the gearbox outer cover or primary chaincase. I don't separate exhaust and silencer but remove them as one piece. Only takes a about 5 - 10 minutes a side.

Have fun!
Rog.

Got the cover off and sure enough the spring is broken. It looks as though the kickstart quadrant should just slip off the splines but it does not want to budge, even with a gentle tap with a soft face knocking stick. Before I fit a puller am I missing something obvious?

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #16 on: 06.10. 2021 18:57 »
Take the kickstart off and pull the shaft and quadrant assembly out from the inside (edit: it's all one piece).
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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #17 on: 06.10. 2021 19:17 »
Take the kickstart off and pull the shaft and quadrant assembly out from the inside (edit: it's all one piece).
Rog.

Yes, I went back out and figured in the end. what a plonker I am!  *smile*
Thanks for putting me straight as well.

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #18 on: 06.10. 2021 19:25 »
 *smile* At times we all don't see the obvious at first.

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #19 on: 06.10. 2021 19:49 »
Thanks to everyone who helped me this morning on what must have seemed such a simple task to you. A great friendly bunch of knowledgable folk.
I am sure I will be back with more questions.

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #20 on: 06.10. 2021 22:01 »
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what must have seemed such a simple task to you.

Dave we all have these things to do for the first time and many find them not so simple first time in
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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #21 on: 07.10. 2021 01:34 »
HI David and All
I wonder if your BSA has had A7exhaust pipes fitted ?
The A7 engine has a shorter cylinder so pipes have bends closer together
A sparkplug socket is useful for opening / tightening the footrest nuts as they are thin walled and single hex

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #22 on: 07.10. 2021 01:41 »
HI David and All
I wonder if your BSA has had A7exhaust pipes fitted ?
The A7 engine has a shorter cylinder so pipes have bends closer together
A sparkplug socket is useful for opening / tightening the footrest nuts as they are thin walled and single hex

John

It would explain the exhaust routing if A7 pipes had been fitted. The ones on there do not look bad, just was surprised when I saw them covering what should be easily accessible parts.
And thanks for the tip on the spark plug socket.

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #23 on: 07.10. 2021 08:56 »
    David. The pictures above posted by Roger are from  a S/A box (top) and the earlier Plunger design (bottom picture). These ran side by side with the introduction of the S/A models until the phasing out of the plunger bikes, so here it's the model that's important rather than the year.

 The greatest contrast is in the gear selector mechanism, the outer covers are characteristically different to reflect this and do not interchange. Nor do the gaskets, though similar all the castings are different. Plunger picture shows the inner shaft bush still on the kickstart shaft. This should remain firmly pressed into the inner cover casting. Compare this with the top picture.

 The good news is that on standard boxes some of the internals are common to a degree, the oilseal, bushes, bearings and some of the gears but here again minor changes took place over time. Well worth researching the Gearbox Section of the Forum. Mis- matching Kickstart ratchets and quadrant types have baffled a good few folks. Pattern Part Suppliers don't always get it right, as you will find from previous threads.

  Careful scrutiny of the S/A quadrant shows it to have "Pointy Teeth" The Plunger box is this case has flat topped teeth. The kickstart ratchet teeth come as flat topped  or pointy, and the type must be selected to match the quadrant teeth. So now you know. But of course after numerous owners and 60 plus years later, never accept all is as it should be. Also is there anything amiss to cause the spring to fail?

 Swarfy.

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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #24 on: 07.10. 2021 09:38 »
Ah, I was just out having a smoke of my pipe ... 

Mmmmm.
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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #25 on: 07.10. 2021 10:01 »
Ah, I was just out having a smoke of my pipe ... 

Mmmmm.
Is that corn cobb full of backy?
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Re: Gearbox outer cover removal
« Reply #26 on: 07.10. 2021 16:57 »
Is that corn cobb full of backy?

No - I wedged a mesh into the bowl about a third of the way down the bowl. Doing my bit for the environment.
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