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Re: '47 XA7 280 Early engine failures
« Reply #30 on: 28.10. 2022 19:37 »
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Re: '47 XA7 280 Early engine failures
« Reply #31 on: 28.10. 2022 19:54 »
I would feel derelict in my duty if I did not waste everyone's time again.  RDfella, who is infinitely wiser than I am, tossed me some ideas on this.  I'm screwing them up and tossing them out.
It's generally agreed that early A7s had lube problems.  RDfella pointed out that bigger engine design often has a squirt of oil hit the cylinder wall as the piston starts to descend.  Since my con rods are un-drilled, what if I drilled a 1/16" hole where the white dots are?  You'll note its off to the side so the rod hole doesn't coincide with the 2 crank holes and create 3 spirts.   
I hate the idea that, with all this effort to get #280 going, I build the old problem back in. 
So who in the Forum has the lowest XA7 #.  Maybe his experience will make me re-think this dumb-ass idea.
I am, contrary to popular belief, not looking for trouble.  I'm also lazy, so a good reason to do nothing just gives me more time for beer.
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Re: '47 XA7 280 Early engine failures
« Reply #32 on: 29.10. 2022 08:57 »
  Brandis    If it does need a squirt to lubricate the bore, by my reckoning it would be better directed to the thrust side of the bore, not to the side.

   The old cast iron block Ford Crossflow engines had this feature, the drilling emerging just above the big end bolt thread. I do not know if more modern engines use this scheme, but my old Escorts and Capri's were good for leadfoot heroics back in the days of cheap gas and a youthful more liberal approach to motoring law. The engines were regarded as well tough.

    BSA must have had their reason for adding the hole to the side of the rod rather than facing the rear of the engine. There will be a theoretical two squirts per revolution whichever way it points....the pressure source is the same, that hole on the shell.

 To add to the conundrum, a Longstroke crank to hand has two oil holes drilled on the timing side big end journal. but only one on the drive side. This faces upwards on the compression stroke, bob weights horizontal. All the journals are notched to carry the oil (later cranks have an eliptical cup) even where the hole should be!

 This 3 hole situation has been found by other  Forum members, and whether it was a production line error or a design feature was never resolved. This crank has a large cutaway to the Flywheel between the  big end journals, which I have always taken to be characteristic of the Longstroke crank, and present on all cranks I have actually examined, all from ZA7 Series engines. Web images also show cranks with just balance holes drilled here as normal, but in these cases the descriptions are those of the sellers, but it would be interesting to see if alternative crank and flywheel features exist within earlier and later Longstroke parts portfolio using the conventional split shell crank design. Your crank does not have this cutaway as far as I can see.

 Pictures of this  cutaway flywheel crank from a ZA7  can be found on a previous post of mine...Search Longstroke Crankshaft in the A7 46-50 Section.

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Re: '47 XA7 280 Early engine failures
« Reply #33 on: 31.10. 2022 20:36 »
Hi Brandis
I took the attached longstroke pic  at a vintage run earlier this year, (before your posts began)
Unfortunately the engine number is blocked out of view  *sad2*
I hope it gives you some inspiration for your project

John
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1963 RGS (ongoing)

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Re: '47 XA7 280 Early engine failures
« Reply #34 on: 31.10. 2022 21:07 »
Inspired, I am.  I note, with interest that it has a skinny front fender with no side indents for the forks, which I got with mine,  but didn't seem correct. I'm used to fenders that are more enclosing. Odd, since mine is a 'time capsule' bike, probably sat in this warehouse for 70 years.  But the photo shows a meat slicer number plate, for which I have no holes.  I assume models exported to the US, which only did rear number plates, never had them drilled.  The parts book shows a more substantial mudguard, as you would call it, with side indents.
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Re: '47 XA7 280 Early engine failures
« Reply #35 on: 31.10. 2022 22:02 »
Hi Brandis,
Just for info - the hole drilled in the LHS conrod on later A10's is 3/64" or #56 drill, not much smaller than your 1/16".
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