Cable Stop Bracket

[duncan32bsa]

Hi,
For reasons which are clear for anyone who has followed my swing arm posts, my frame lacks a rear right brake cable stop bracket.
Has anyone got a picture or would anyone be prepared to make a sketch showing the exact location and dimensions/hole sizes etc. so that I can fabricate one?
I have added a picture with the missing bracket circled in red to minimize confusion.
Gratefully yours
Gary

[NickSR]

Hi Gary
Are you still ineed of assistance ? it will be the weekend before I can get into the garage.

Photo and dimensions will be from my 1962 Super Rocket if that any help.

Regards
Nick

[duncan32bsa]

Hi Nick,
Yes, I still need this. I'll work to your timescale, so no problem there.
I think the SR frame will be fine.
Thanks
for your help.
Gary

[Beezageezauk]

Gary,

What year is the bike with the missing bracket??

The reason I ask is that there were two brackets that were fitted in different positions.  One was for models up to and including 1959 with the rear brake actuating arm positioned above the swinging arm and the other was for 1960 onwards with the brake actuating arm mounted below the swinging arm.

Because of this the rear brake cables are also different.  Part number 42-7032 for the early ones and part number 42-7042 for the later ones.

Beezageezauk.

 

[duncan32bsa]

Beezageezauk,
It is a 1960 registered A10 but it looks like a 1955 SA frame.
I am converting it to RH brake (committed now).
I assumed it would be the overhead cable...
Cheers
Gary

[brackenfel]

Hi Gary,
The Engine & Frame Numbers link should give you a rough idea of what year your frame was made :-

http://www.british-only.com/tech/tips/framenumbers.asp

If I get chance I'll go out into the (Freezing!) garage & take a snap or two.. If it's a '55 frame it would have had the rod operated LH brake like my '54 B33...

Cheers,
Adrian

[duncan32bsa]

Hi Adrian,
My frame number matches the year but the frame style doesn't...
I have passed the point of no return with regards to converting to RH cable operated brake...
Cheers
Gary

[brackenfel]

Hi Gary,
Understood...
My bike is 1961 registered 1962. Cable operates to the lever underslung on the lower half of the brake plate below the swinging arm...

A couple of pics below. They could be better but I had to hang over the Velocette which was in the way so not ideal conditios! If you PM me your email address I'll send the full size ones plus a couple of extras ( they have been reduced a fair bit for the Forum)..

Too cold at present to measure things although I could do it quickly tomorrow if it helps - let me know..



Cheers,
Adrian

[Beezageezauk]

Gary,

Adrian's pictures show the position of the bracket for the 1960-on models and your sketch shows the bracket postion for the 1958/59 models.  Am I correct in understanding that you want the details of the one shown in your sketch?  The dimensions of the bracket itself (or template) and the measurements to enable you to position it onto the frame?

Beezageezauk.

[duncan32bsa]

Hi Beezageezauk,
The 1958/59 one looks like it might be easier to fabricate. So the details would be handy, yes.
I am confused, to be honest, as I have what I thought was the 1960 parts book (A-5086) from the DVD sold by Andover Norton and in it the frame bracket looks the same as the 1958 parts book that I also have.
In any case, I would also like Adrian's high res pics so I have all options covered.
Thanks for everyone's help on this.
Gary

[Beezageezauk]

Ok Gary,

You can't always go by the views in the parts books.  They are only diagramatic and the same views are often shown for different models even though the actual parts vary in style.  Mudguards in particular don't appear to be the correct shape!!

I will try to make a template of the bracket you want and, hopefully, give you measurements to fit it.

Beezageezauk. 

[bsa-bill]

I am confused, to be honest, as I have what I thought was the 1960 parts book (A-5086) from the DVD sold by Andover Norton and in it the frame bracket looks the same as the 1958 parts book that I also have.

As far as I know the  up over brake was for one  year only 58/59 so that might explain why frame drawings were not different, although I have to say if they were for one year only there seems to be a lot of them about

[Beezageezauk]

Hi Bill,

I'm pretty sure that the 56 & 57 models with the Ariel Type wheels used the same cable stop set-up as the 58 & 59 models.

Beezageezauk.

[bsa-bill]

That would explain some of it   Beezageezauk
I have one of each, the up and over hopefully will lend itself to rod conversion

[brackenfel]

Gary / Bill,
I've sent the photos Gary... 

I've also been looking at the various photos I've taken for reference of other people's bikes over the last year or so..
One (taken on an older camera unfortunately so not too sharp) of a friend's very original 1957 Ariel hub A10 shows a similar bracket to mine but welded on the other side of the frame tube !
A better pic shows an unknown bike, post '57 , at a major run which has a different kind of mount, more of a box section, also mounted on the forward side of tube. This also explains why a rear brake cable I was sold for mine is about an inch too long (it would have fitted this type!) and why my friend with the Ariel hub bike had been supplied with one that was too short..

As far as I can see that's now (at least) 3 ways this bracket was fitted by the factory...   
Getting the right brake cable seems to be a case of taking the old one along & matching it up as part numbers don't seem to help here...

Cheers,
Adrian