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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #15 on: 07.09. 2017 10:22 »
Interesting – mine rattle like a witches teeth. I’d assumed that I just needed to put in an Eddie Dow type upgrade. Just that otherwise the bike handles so well I could never quite bring myself to part with the cash.
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #16 on: 07.09. 2017 10:52 »
With the Eddie Dow conversion on compression the damper is immersed in oil with a column of incompressible oil beneath it the damping coming from the oil being force through the centre drilling and clearance between damper an fork tube.

On extension, above the damper is a column consisting some oil but mainly compressible air so much less effective damping on this stroke.

Rattles often caused by top bush to circlip gap which needs shimming.

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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #17 on: 07.09. 2017 11:52 »
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top bush to circlip gap which needs shimming.

Oh yes another of those tasks we all look forward to ;)
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #18 on: 07.09. 2017 11:56 »
The clunk I get is the plunger units bottoming when I hit a pothole! Anyone devised a buffer solution for that?
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #19 on: 07.09. 2017 12:47 »
Oil damped plungers as in this BSA patent filed in 1949?

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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #20 on: 07.09. 2017 12:58 »
Oil damped plungers as in this BSA patent filed in 1949?
Flippin-eck, where did you find this? I presume the design was not used as plunger suspension on the 'A' series was quite short lived. Do you know if damped plungers were ever fitted to other machines? What about Ariels?
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #21 on: 07.09. 2017 13:37 »
Fit new springs if the plungers are bottoming. It's important to keep rear plungers well greased. You should never see rusty plungers!
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #22 on: 07.09. 2017 15:27 »
Fit new springs if the plungers are bottoming. It's important to keep rear plungers well greased. You should never see rusty plungers!
New springs, well greased.
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #23 on: 12.09. 2017 13:44 »
After using SAE40 Monograde oil in my forks I can report no ill effects.
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #24 on: 12.09. 2017 21:04 »
Hi All,
At this stage I would imagine that most BSA's running have had the fork stanchions replaced at some time  *????*
If there is oil in the forks, the fork bushes should not clash on extension, because there is oil trapped between the upper and lower bushes as the forks extend
Early forks did not have the two oil holes in the stanchions

I found some "new" bushes recently that the top edges were chamfered *eek*
These would not work as the circlip would not hold them solidly in place, I machined off the chamfer and added thicker shims. Thin shims are waste of time anyway*ex*

I know that people have had different experiences with the Dow type dampers!
Julian,
There's a ball valve in the damper that allows oil to flow through on compression, the ball closes on extension
forcing the oil down around the outside of the valve body giving rebound damping
in the "normal" forks the damping is achieved by the oil being forced in an out through the holes in the stanchion
to the ever changing space between the bushes

I added extra oil so the damper valve is submerged on extension
Thinking out loud *conf2*
Was the TD damper rod length calculated to work with the longer TD fork bushes that make the overall fork length
2in. shorter  *????*
The TD top yoke restores the ride height

A design flaw on BSA forks is that water can easily get trapped in the seal holders and sucked into the forks *problem*
Regular oil changes are a must *ex*

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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #25 on: 12.09. 2017 21:50 »
A design flaw on BSA forks is that water can easily get trapped in the seal holders and sucked into the forks *problem*
Regular oil changes are a must *ex*
Left fork drained an emulsion of oil and water
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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #26 on: 12.09. 2017 22:44 »
For me, the issue with the Dow dampers on extension is that the oil is not confined above the damper - oil and compressible air above so as the forks extend I think oil drains around the valve rather than be forced through, giving limited damping.

The circlip and shim issue can be solved using the widget from A65 damper rod forks, it bears on top of the top bush and the oil seal and when oil seal holder screwed on retains bush and eliminates any gap and the chattering.

The parts book calls the widget a spacer and it is part 68 5134.

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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #27 on: 13.09. 2017 01:36 »
any chance of an assy. pic/parts book pic of this Julian, I cant picture it?? thanks

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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #28 on: 13.09. 2017 08:34 »
First, sorry for my negative view of Dow type dampers I am sure others have had more positive results.

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BSA issued some guidance on fork servicing. Photos attached.

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Re: Forks Oil
« Reply #29 on: 13.09. 2017 09:28 »
 7 and 1/2 ounces or a Coca-Cola bottle full.

 Things were better then.

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