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obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« on: 26.07. 2015 08:40 »
Does anyone have advice on the best way to go about obtaining a V5C, (whilst retaining historic vehicle status), for a bike imported years ago but left in pieces for storage. I have a Duty Paid receipt from 1992 but have read conflicting reports of submitting either a form V62 or V55. I do not want a BSA treated as a kit car!
If anyone has successfully obtained an age related registration plate for a bike imported to U.K. any tips or advice would be very much appreciated.
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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #1 on: 26.07. 2015 08:48 »
If you go to the BSA owners website you will get the info you require but I am sure that the bike has to be roadworthy before you can get a V5C. So you will have to rebuild it first then get an MOT even if it is pre 1960 to prove that it is roadworthy before going down the road of getting it registered.

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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #2 on: 22.09. 2015 19:28 »
Yes concur with above reply bar MOT. I have been through just this process recently, and found that the BSA O.C. have done quite a bit to clarify matters.Jolly helpful.
 For my part, I had first to obtain a NOVA reference from HMRC, to prove that the duty had been "secured " at the time of import of the bike (basket case in 1978!!!)  I had no documentation to prove duty paid, and so had to throw myself at the feet of the Tax Authorities and let them decide. If you have the relevant chitty, this will help  massively .They did eventually process my application and much to my relief, announced that they were happy that the duty had indeed been paid on import in 1978 (or 1978 was too far back to trace any record so gave me the benefit of the doubt ?- unlikely in these days of "target culture"). Thus, armed with my NOVA reference, I could approach DVLA.
It`s very plain, no NOVA, and "computer says no"  DVLA have jumped right into bed with HMRC and work closely together to carefully oversee all imported vehicles/basket cases etc. and the system is thorough.You simply cannot approach them without a NOVA reference-DVLA simply refer you back to HMRC.

The next step is to satisfy DVLA that the vehicle that you are trying to register is indeed exactly what it is supposed to be, and in this respect, your own word is not good enough. This is where you have to liaise with the  relevant Owners Club, who are now "recruited" as expert witnesses  and only the currently appointed Machine Dating Officer can identify your bike following a physical inspection.If all is Kosher, he/she will issue a formal Club Dating Certificate identifying the bike (£?). No doubt sending their own recommendation to DVLA direct?
DVLA  now work closely with the various clubs and historic vehicle associations, and have a "live" list of  Machine Registrars/Dating  Officers- they will not accept any "old" dating certificates from the previous Officer etc etc, only current ones.
It is obvious that this is a very responsible task delegated to  the various clubs by DVLA,  and the  M. D. Officer, would have to answer directly to the Authorities if any  "innacuracies"  were detected by DVLA .

All these requirements are explained in the literature that supports the V55 application. I did not need to MOT my vehicle at all, just filled in a declaration that the veh was pre 1960 and thus exempt,which I found surprising, but no, once I had carefully completed the V55 , all went well and I was issued an age related number and  V5.
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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #3 on: 23.09. 2015 10:27 »
Hi bob, that certainly lays DVLA's requirements out for anyone else going down this route. Do you know if all reregistrations are dealt with this  way now or only imports ? I only ask  as this is not the way I used to get mine registered with an age related plate .
Also you mention "physical inspection " did you actually take the bike to where the bsaoc dating officer lives or how did you achieve it ?
This is a topic we could didcuss over a pint/coffee sometime maybe has I'm only about 15 mls away from Preston in Formby, cheers from another Bob. *smile*
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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #4 on: 23.09. 2015 11:29 »

 
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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #5 on: 23.09. 2015 11:59 »

 
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This is a topic we could didcuss over a pint/coffee sometime maybe
...any excuse... *smile*..whatever a 'didcuss' is  *dunno*

A didcuss is when you recall the times in the past when you used bad language; as in "When I hit my thumb with the hammer I did cuss!"

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« Reply #6 on: 23.09. 2015 13:00 »
Thanks GB, as for you Dutch ...I know where you live !! taking the *** out of someone of my advanced yrs ,Tut tut , damn young un's  *doh* *smile* *smile*
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« Reply #7 on: 23.09. 2015 13:02 »
Anyway shouldn't you be busy  tormenting someone about voltages and watts elsewhere  *smile* *smile* *eek*
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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #8 on: 23.09. 2015 13:18 »
Anyway shouldn't you be busy  tormenting someone about voltages and watts elsewhere  *smile* *smile* *eek*
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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #9 on: 23.09. 2015 19:15 »
Just to clarify why I said you would have to get an MOT I was quoting from a document issued in November 2012 by the then DVLA Corporate Affairs Directorate Claire Rush, The paragraph in the document actually states.
  "I can confirm that the agency (DVLA) will continue to allow pre 1960 vehicles to either transfer or retain their registration mark using the current cherished transfer scheme provided a voluntary MOT has been passed. This is to ensure that vehicles are still in existence and prevent potential fraudulent claims for attractive marks, "

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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #10 on: 24.09. 2015 00:05 »
Hi All, just to clarify, application/procedure wise,anything that went before (I think) 15th April 2013,can be disregarded. The procedures since then have been totally overhauled and you can forget anything about the "good old days" (or is it the bad old days??!!) It`s all  been completely swept away and replaced with NOVA:"Notification Of Vehicle Arrival"-a bulletproof, rigorous accounting/verification scheme that was developed with the expertise of staff at the Federation Of British Historic Vehicle Clubs, working with HMRC and DVLA to stamp out fraud/tax evasion relating to import and registration of vehicles (It applies to all used vehicle imports, not just classics).

Due to the ever growing Classic Vehicle Scene, the rocketing values of old vehicles and the fact that they are now sought and traded from all over the globe, it all means BIG BUSINESS and BIG MONEY. HMRC have woken up to the fact that there are large amounts of Import Duty revenue to be secured on the value of vehicles coming in from abroad be it cars, bikes or tractors etc etc, and probably, having discovered that many valuable vehicles have "gone under the radar" by being imported as "old parts", "basket cases" or just plain smuggled in, they have likely missed out on revenue in the past.
Such vehicles, would eventually come to the notice of DVLA when the owner applied to register them, and usually excuses like "its been in the canal/shed for years/ I bought it at an autojumble/ I built it from bits etc. would perhaps have been OK with DVLA then, until the levels of fraud and  mis- described vehicles  ("its a Rocket Goldie, honest Guv")got to a point where questions began to be asked, and audit trails of engine frame numbers went back to factory despatch records, perhaps showing vehicles had been exported when new, and yet were now back in the UK being registered and HMRC had no idea or record.......

Thus NOVA is with us, no getting round it, and its no bad thing really. DVLA are scrutinising every application in minute detail, and require high levels of proof of a vehicles provenance, right back to the factory -I kid you not-they want documentation from the Manufacturer- bit hard when factories were bulldozed decades ago!, - this is where the various Owners Clubs,with expert knowledge and access to factory records etc come to play their part in verifying exactly what a vehicle is, type/model/year of manufacture and so on. There is no "nod and wink" stuff , forget it!, It`s dead serious.......

My bike, a basket case imported in "summer 1978" and lying in a garage until 2006, was described as "import duty paid"by the vendor at sale, and he "would dig out the customs paperwork" when he found it. He never did, and during the restoration, what had seemed not very important became so when the restoration finished last year, and registration beckoned, but NOVA, meantime had arrived..... Oh Bugger.....

Thus I had to write to HMRC with details of the bike, and everything i Knew about its history in order for them to dig in their records and verify that the seller had indeed stumped up the Duty at Tilbury Docks in 1978.Fortunately, HMRC came good, and issued me with a NOVA number to take to DVLA, as they were satisfied that the duty had been paid back in the day....Phew!

Armed with my NOVA, i could approach DVLA, and start  the V55/5 registration process for age related number(DVLA staff verify your Nova reference with HMRC,-no, you can`t make one up!!) The V55/5 Form requires quality, detailed photo`s of the vehicle from all sides,with clear pics. of engine frame numbers, copies of Factory Despatch Records, actual current insurance certificate (no copies, and insured on frame number) and copies of my birth certificate/current council Tax bill to verify ME, and my address!!!!, a signed form V112 "Declaration of exemption from MOT" if pre 1960, and also that physical inspection by the relevant Club Machine Researcher. Oh, and 55 Quid too....

Fortunately for me, the Machine Researcher lived not too far away (10miles) so I arranged to pick him up and ran him to my house to examine  the bike with his clip board. He/she could of course have lived at the other end of the country, and the logistics of arranging the inspection would have been much harder.....Anyway, Fee £10  paid, and he pronounced he was happy with the bike, and susequently informed the Club Machine Registrar who issued the all important Dating Certificate  for me to submit to DVLA. Both of the above Club Officers are registered and cleared by DVLA to do this work, no one else in a club can liaise with Swansea in this respect.

My application went through OK this second time- it had failed the first time, as my Club Dating Certificate, obtained soon after i got the bike in 2006 was rejected as the then issuing officer was not currently on DVLA`s books. So, there it is, my journey through the  whole process, boy is my bike well documented now!!

If you have a bike of unknown provenance that you wish to register, you may not need a NOVA reference if if is clear that your machine has never been exported, either when new or during its life. But in any case the V55/5 requires that copy of the Factory Despatch record though, and this will show whether it went to a dealer in this country, or one abroad- and if it shows that it was exported....... Its straight to HMRC and apply for your NOVA.

Sorry about the long winded description, but its a complex process now....Have fun! Bob C.




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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #11 on: 24.09. 2015 00:18 »


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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #12 on: 24.09. 2015 10:13 »
I imported my Nimbus from the Netherlands last year, all of a piece but with no paperwork.

First off was the NOVA to cover any likely import duties. It should be fairly straightforward and can all be done on line – no inspections required or anything. I had problems, I think due to glitches at the web site. There was no import duty to pay, I presume because the bike was in used condition.

I had a lot of problems with DVLA for the registration process, firstly because I didn’t have a recognised NOVA code, see above; and then with issues getting the bike dated. Ultimately I went through VMCC for a certificate. You will need something from an organisation that DVLA will recognise – the VMCC marque specialist was acceptable, but I presume BSAOC would also be.

I got the bike MOT’d against the frame number, though as it is pre – 60 I don’t think that is a requirement (I enjoyed the excuse to ride with no number plate to be honest). The VMCC wanted two side view photographs of the whole machine, plus pics and rubbings of the engine and frame numbers. Again, there was never any inspection. So in theory, as long as you can assemble your bits into something that looks kind of whole you might be OK.
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Re: obtaining a V5C for a u.k. import
« Reply #13 on: 24.09. 2015 19:42 »
Hi Cyclobutch, the reason you did not pay any import duty or VAT is because none apply when moving a used vehicle between EU countries. The NOVA clearence satisfies DVLA that no tax is due (in this case) and so they can proceed to registration. If you had brought the bike in from a non EU country, the game changes and to get a NOVA you have to pay the taxes.
I`m Puzzled as to how you got away with no inspection. The v55 guidance form states "your vehicle may have to be inspected" so it may be a case by case decision. As the VMCC issued your dating certificate without asking to inspect the bike, its their neck on the line, so to speak, Bob .