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bearing clearances
« on: 19.01. 2022 09:37 »
Many will know ballraces come with different internal clearance depending on intended usage. eg CN = normal, for a transition or very slight interference fit on either inner or outer race. For a bearing pressed into a housing / onto a shaft, C3 clearance would be used. C5 is the highest standard clearance, designed for where both inner and outer races are a press fit.
Now, one-way bearings (sprag clutches) need to be able to transmit torque, and therefore are expected to be a press fit on both races. Needless to say, this would require a C5 bearing - and that's how I understood one-way bearings were supplied. But I just found out differently.......

Last weekend I pressed sprag clutches into the starter I'm developing for my GF. Interference was in line with specified n6 fit but, to my dismay, the shaft could not be turned by hand once assembled. Upon disassembly again, one bearing seems OK but the other feels as if it has a cracked ball inside. Naturally, I enquired of the supplier what clearance his bearings had, and was alarmed to hear - CN. No wonder they failed.
But here's the rub - I enquired of other one-way bearing suppliers as to what clearance their products had, and all said - CN. Summat wrong here. I'm suspecting all these people are getting their supplies from the same Chinese supplier; one who doesn't understand clearance / fits in the same way heat-treatment is not always satisfactory over there.

Which leaves me with a query - where to get sprags with the proper clearance? Catalogues list these bearings as clearance C5, but getting any is proving elusive.
 
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Re: bearing clearances
« Reply #1 on: 19.01. 2022 13:31 »
Have you contacted SKF?

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Re: bearing clearances
« Reply #2 on: 19.01. 2022 20:02 »
From what I can see, SKF don't manufacture these things. Have just found a manufacturer that looks promising - here's their blurb:

"All the CSK versions are equipped with “formchromed” sprags. This process increases several times the overrunning life time. Torque transmission is ensured by a press fit assembly into a rigid steel housing with N6 tolerance, and onto a shaft with n6 tolerance. For this reason, the initial bearing radial clearance is set at C5."
Note how this compares with those supplying these bearings with CN clearance!

All I need now is a suppler.

Update - after a load more searching, the only manufacturer of these bearings with C3 0r C5 clearance I can find is the one mentioned above - a German firm who specialise in these bearings. Problem is prices start at £90 ea.
 
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Re: bearing clearances
« Reply #3 on: 19.01. 2022 20:58 »
G'day RD.
Just did a google for CSK sprag bearing and got this https://universalbearings.com.au/ball-bearing/csk-series-one-way-sprag-ball-bearing-ubc
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Re: bearing clearances
« Reply #4 on: 22.01. 2022 12:02 »
At last, located some extra-clearance (C3) one-way bearings in UK. £60 ea is a bit more that I like to pay for a bearing but it's better than having an item that's clearly not fit for purpose and either seizes upon fitting - or worse - seizes in use.

I guess the wider conclusion from this is that, as many bearings in our BSA's are press-fit (eg crank, brake hubs) nowadays we need to ensure we choose a bearing of appropriate clearance, as clearly most suppliers these days have no clue and supply CN (normal minimal clearance) as if they were a universal fitting.
 
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Re: bearing clearances
« Reply #5 on: 22.01. 2022 12:34 »
To be honest general bearing suppliers have most likely supplied either CN's (or even just what's on the shelf) for decades  now and in the vast majority of situations it makes knack-all difference anyway.
I seem to recall Trident lay-shaft bearings needed to be C3 though.