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Ebay question piston rings
« on: 29.09. 2022 12:43 »
Hi,
 I think someone had a post about this. I see alot of helopite rings in old boxes advertised as nos is this genuine or a dodgy selling ploy??

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #1 on: 29.09. 2022 13:22 »
on a very rare visit to bantam johns place many years ago he showed me fake boxes for rings and pistons, i think it was the old trick they showed us at school of how to age paper. having said that there MIGHT be some genuine ones but i bet they have damage and are rough on the edges. like me---- pub tomorrow many black&tans to be had

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #2 on: 29.09. 2022 13:55 »
Hi,
 I think someone had a post about this. I see alot of helopite rings in old boxes advertised as nos is this genuine or a dodgy selling ploy??
Modern Hepolite rings are sold in a box with greasy fingerprints printed on it. Make of that what you will. I doubt the validity of what the Union flag is suggesting.  *dunno2*
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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #3 on: 29.09. 2022 14:54 »
 To endorse GB, the only thing about Hepolite rings today is the name. Any implied link with our beloved rings of old can be treated with the contempt it deserves, the greasy finger packaging is yet another lip service to an earlier time. Any package received today from a motor factor that bears greasy fingerprints is a sure sign the item has been out and back from the guy who ordered it, only to find it was the wrong part. Goes on all the time in the trade, and some terms of business for suppliers state that they will accept returns, but by the same token you as a trade customer must accept goods in opened packages and otherwise soiled condition.

 So how do you tell what's what? 

 Hepolite was the brand name of Hepworth and Grandage, piston ring manufacturers who consolidated into Associated Engineering when they acquired the other major UK Piston Ring Manufactures, COVMO and Wellworthy Milemaster were two of note, and these two were O.E. Suppliers to the UK Motor industry. These brands turn up from time to time and quality wise are first class. You could say the original Hepolite  reputation was founded on these three companies.

  All packaging of this old school stuff carries model applications which will have a date. As an example to hand, a Milemaster set for a 66mm bore A7  says BSA Type 66mm/2.5984" +030"  L4550, this latter is the catalogue reference. So you know these are genuine and made no later than 1957, as the A7 continued for another 5 years in that bore and piston configuration. Genuine  Hepolite/AE packs are labelled in the same way, and sometimes carry the phrase "Suitable for" to imply these are aftermarket parts, even tho' the self same components were supplied to the original manufacturer.

  Hepolite livery styles changed over the years, yellow and green were the early corporate colours, but the AE Logo appears proudly on later old school genuine product. AE were also eventually owned by Turner and Newell, suppliers of  Gaskets, and it was the asbestos used and the resulting industrial injuries claims that resulted in their demise and the Hepolite Brand eventually being bought up by Wassell, along with the winged piston logo and strapline. If it looks modern but doesn't bear AE logo on the packing, it is not the Hepolite of old. Early rings come in individual paper envelopes, later 1970's sets come  packed in vacuum sealed film on card backing. All have comprehensive fitting instructions, together with a leaflet detailing the type of rings and their position on the piston and a packer's reference slip in case of complaint. Good luck with that, then.

 As regards suitability, sure you take a chance  with 50 year old  ebay or jumble stuff, but I would be far happier with a set of slightly tarnished 1950's NOS rings than something from Wassells, by all accounts the cause of more oil burning problems than any other brand.
 

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #4 on: 30.09. 2022 12:40 »
thats the problem I am having its smoking and there is no ridge on the bores and the cylinder head was refurbed 2 years ago. So rings seems most likely. I have ordered a leak down tester to completely check it over. If these were genuine nos stock that would be nice. ebay number 144692854030 cos I don't know how to post a pic

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #5 on: 30.09. 2022 13:17 »
The packaging does say Original Hepolite Pistons 1951/7 O.H.V A7 66MM/2.5984 + .020"

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #6 on: 30.09. 2022 13:30 »
here you go and looking at that i have no idea. ooo i say i managed to make it bigger *whistle*

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #7 on: 30.09. 2022 13:39 »
In two minds could it be original or has someone gone to alot of effort to age it. £30 is not too shabby but I don't want a piece of crap.

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #8 on: 30.09. 2022 16:18 »
  If those are the listing from a fella in Southend, methinks they are the genuine article. I've bought from him at the Copdock Show and I reckoned he was  a fair dealer with a bit of humour not like the usual sullen buggers.

    A whole spectrum of ebay listings for A7 Piston Rings shows the differences of the AE/Hepolite/Milemaster packaging over time in stark contrast to the Wassell offerings. I'd make him an offer. Those fingermarks and scuffs are the result of their history, not some printer's  imagination. For an oil burner, Forum opinion is that Gandini rings work well, but carry a premium price. Kidderminster Motorcycles also still carry genuine NOS, so also worth an enquiry.

  Worn ring grooves will also make it smoke, 2 thou clearance piston/ring as a max. Rings also wear on their top and bottom surfaces. I've had rings from smokers which were a T Section.. perfect width against the bore, worn to a sliver in the ring groove. No wonder they pumped oil.

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #9 on: 30.09. 2022 20:08 »
He is based in Southend so maybe worth a go

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #10 on: 12.10. 2022 13:18 »
Got the rings and yes they are pukka. Nice guy to deal with and great parts on his ebay shop. Thats this winters job lined up

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Re: Ebay question piston rings
« Reply #11 on: 12.10. 2022 16:40 »
 That's the easy part done. Good to know there are still some good guys left.

 I did come across the online Wassell catalogue, somehow it escaped from the dealers only addresses and could be downloaded. It's 25Mb.
 The catalogue is detailed on their website, but cannot be accessed without a dealer log in. I found it  by accident, but failed to note the third party web address .Their range is truly mind boggling, and these are in the main the source of stock for major players in aftermarket retail sales. So you'll get the same stuff from the likes of Fecked, Burton Bike Bits and the others who have made these pages for the wrong reasons. Having said that, if your local  dealer has a Wassell account he can order stuff for you, and at least in the UK there is some guarantee under our consumer laws if things go wrong. Which can't always be the case when dealing online.

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