Thanks for the info but the originial one was rusted away and like the beginner I am with bikes(I threw it away).I have a replacement which is´nt in too good nick,but I think I´ve made a mistake anyway.I thought the rear screws went straight into the frame but have been informed by the helpfull board that there is a bridging bracket which lies across the mudguard/ spring part of the rear top part of the frame.Anyway thanks for the info,I´m listening to Pink Floyd staring at the newly sprayed frame which I´ve just bought back from the sprayers,my ,my such a fine lady, its going to be a great summer next year....oh any idea where I can get chrome spikes for a 19" rim,from mister dragonslayer, 68 quid plus tax ??? ta-steve